What about jf-17 for bangladesh airforce?

[houshanghai]

JFT and BAF MIG29 have the same engine from klimov RD33 series,i believe BAF have many maintenance experences about RD33 series engine.so JFT are still a good option for BAF.

 

[MiG-21]

Yes, that factor may prove to be a plus point for JFT in BAF.

 

[ziaulislam]

JF-17's empty weight is wrong. That is an age old data. it has gotten heavier over the years, like an American kid nowdays. It's current weight is 6,586 kg or 14,520 lb. One of the reason for it's low thrust to weight. well, it wasn't much when compared to its initial weight anyway.

Also, its engine thrust is 18300lbf normal afterburner, and 19200lbf in boosted emergency afterburner. However the PAC website only lists the max afterburner rating as 19000lbf, which isn't surprising. The lesser denser air near the tropics tend to reduce the thrust of engines, compared to a cold frigid country like Russia. But for comparison purposes 19200 is the right number to take if comparing boosted thrust only during take-off, which is given out by Klimov. But normal useful afterburner thrust is only 18300lbf.

And Speed is Mach 1.6.

Still AA-BVR missile not integrated. And I think even laser targeting pod hasn't been either.

well according CAC in dubai airshow
empty weight is 6400 (that makes it lighter than LCA mark1 6586kg )

air to air weapons were tested in mid 2011 and have been integrated completely

all air to ground ammunition integration including laser guided systems through external pod was completed in 2009.

antiship missles testing is in final stages

engine thrust; stop BS and speculating and stick to thrust given by company which is ATLEAST 19200(at zhaui airshow the company showed a thrust 10% higher than this at 96kn).


question is which person should we trust you or the chief engineer of JF-17 project giving briefing to experts at dubai airshow, for more info see the video in jf-17 info pool thread
calculate the thrust to weight ratio, its nearly 1 which is very high for a multirole 4th gen aircraft.
atleast its much higher than than the LCA (0.82 heavier with lower thrust with current engine)

 

[ziaulislam]

at the end of the day we didnt made jf-17 to sell, its primary goal was to fullfill the 2/3 requirement of PAF. so it wont matter whether we sell it or not. its still a success story for us to induct such a large numbers of fourth gen true multi role aircrafts

frankly i dont think so BAF will induct JF-17 xchances are near negligible but within 2 years of operation several countries showing interest is itself remarkable. aircrafts deal take at least 5-8 years just to break. how can u expect it to be done overnight!
i never seen an aircraft deal in this century to be decided within a 3 years. the notorious MRCA has nearly taken 8 years. even the simplest deals of gripen took atleast 4 years where there was no competition.

regarding production PAF is producing number according to its needs and time table, if their is an order the numbers can be increase, point is wee dont need to increase the production rate yet, we doing just fine , yes we have been delayed a few months (mid 2012 for first 50 instead of end 2011) but thats a normal phenomena in aircraft industry.

i hope Bangladesh do induct some expensive Russian toy repreat the 2002 mig29 story...

 

[razgriz19]

well according CAC in dubai airshow
empty weight is 6400 (that makes it lighter than LCA mark1 6586kg )

air to air weapons were tested in mid 2011 and have been integrated completely

all air to ground ammunition integration including laser guided systems through external pod was completed in 2009.

antiship missles testing is in final stages

engine thrust; stop BS and speculating and stick to thrust given by company which is ATLEAST 19200(at zhaui airshow the company showed a thrust 10% higher than this at 96kn).


question is which person should we trust you or the chief engineer of JF-17 project giving briefing to experts at dubai airshow, for more info see the video in jf-17 info pool thread
calculate the thrust to weight ratio, its nearly 1 which is very high for a multirole 4th gen aircraft.
atleast its much higher than than the LCA (0.82 heavier with lower thrust with current engine)

actually that was prototype 6, current thunder is based on prototype 4!
there are basically no pictures of prototype 4 or operational thunder carrying SD-10 or any laser guided munitions.

as far as i kno, the first 48 lack many capabilities, but the second block will have all those capabilities.

 

[A.Muqeet khan]

well according CAC in dubai airshow
empty weight is 6400 (that makes it lighter than LCA mark1 6586kg )

air to air weapons were tested in mid 2011 and have been integrated completely

all air to ground ammunition integration including laser guided systems through external pod was completed in 2009.

antiship missles testing is in final stages

engine thrust; stop BS and speculating and stick to thrust given by company which is ATLEAST 19200(at zhaui airshow the company showed a thrust 10% higher than this at 96kn).


question is which person should we trust you or the chief engineer of JF-17 project giving briefing to experts at dubai airshow, for more info see the video in jf-17 info pool thread
calculate the thrust to weight ratio, its nearly 1 which is very high for a multirole 4th gen aircraft.
atleast its much higher than than the LCA (0.82 heavier with lower thrust with current engine)

can u gimme the link il search for it too

 

[Areesh]

actually that was prototype 6, current thunder is based on prototype 4!
there are basically no pictures of prototype 4 or operational thunder carrying SD-10 or any laser guided munitions.

as far as i kno, the first 48 lack many capabilities, but the second block will have all those capabilities.

Block 1 will have BVR for sure. Most probably a software up gradation would be required That's it. Block 2 would have many capabilities different from Block 1 and BVR is not one of them. Since both are BVR capable.

 

[FNFAL]

^^^ any links to sunstantiate the claims...coudnt find one on the jf-17 sticky

 

[MiG-21]

well according CAC in dubai airshow
empty weight is 6400 (that makes it lighter than LCA mark1 6586kg )

Correction! According to CAC, the empty weight is 6411kgs, which is the same empty weight which was stated long ago. CAC hasn't updated it's empty weight.
This was PAC's empty weight from it's website till 2010 - Pakistan Aeronautical Complex....
Yup, you guessed it, the same old 6411kgs figure.

This is PAC's empty weight NOW in 2011 - Pakistan Aeronautical Complex

air to air weapons were tested in mid 2011 and have been integrated completely

link please. I already know about the short range missile test. I'm asking for BVR SD-10 missile.

all air to ground ammunition integration including laser guided systems through external pod was completed in 2009.

link please

antiship missles testing is in final stages

link please

engine thrust; stop BS and speculating and stick to thrust given by company which is ATLEAST 19200(at zhaui airshow the company showed a thrust 10% higher than this at 96kn).

http://klimov.ru/f/download/press-kit/2100054687/2100054340/
Emergency take-off mode thrust 8700kgf or 19200lbf. Normal afterburner thrust 8300kgf or 18300lbf.
And that zhuhai cutout was more vague than ever. 8000-10000kgf? Without any other specs accompanying it. What should we take- 8000 or 10000? And under which condition was the thrust 10000kgf?

question is which person should we trust you or the chief engineer of JF-17 project giving briefing to experts at dubai airshow, for more info see the video in jf-17 info pool thread
calculate the thrust to weight ratio, its nearly 1 which is very high for a multirole 4th gen aircraft.
atleast its much higher than than the LCA (0.82 heavier with lower thrust with current engine)

Just goes to show how professional the chief engineer is. He most probably asked some other guy to prepare the power point presentation, and that guy diligently copied what was written on the CAC website which hasn't been updated to new specs, unlike PAC's website.

Same old empty weight from the PAC's old website written in CAC's website which hasn't been updated - CAC Website

JF-17 is indeed heavier than LCA, deal with it.

 

[Areesh]

^^^ any links to sunstantiate the claims...coudnt find one on the jf-17 sticky

No need for any link. That's clearly obvious.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

there's a huge thread devoted to JF-Thunder -- I suggest some of you go to that thread and devote your own time towards updating your knowledge on the haves and have not; tech. details, news and other discussion.


and furthermore, I suggest you browse youtube on your own time and check the coverage of JFT @ Farnborough, Izmir and Dubai Air Show. Perhaps it will alleviate whatever confusions you are repeatedly having.

 

[MiG-21]

No need for any link. That's clearly obvious.

So you guys don't have links. Thank you.

there's a huge thread devoted to JF-Thunder -- I suggest some of you go to that thread and devote your own time towards updating your knowledge on the haves and have not; tech. details, news and other discussion.


and furthermore, I suggest you browse youtube on your own time and check the coverage of JFT @ Farnborough, Izmir and Dubai Air Show. Perhaps it will alleviate whatever confusions you are repeatedly having.

Dunno about others, but I have already gone through it.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

do you really think the PAF would have ordered SD-10 BVR-enabled missiles (over a year ago) if they could not be integrated to the JF-Thunder? PLAAF has had these missiles in operation since 2007.

You will learn if/when you SEEK to learn. There's a lot of knowledge out there, and in this forum as well.

 

[ziaulislam]

actually that was prototype 6, current thunder is based on prototype 4!
there are basically no pictures of prototype 4 or operational thunder carrying SD-10 or any laser guided munitions.

as far as i kno, the first 48 lack many capabilities, but the second block will have all those capabilities.

well we always differ on these points..i still hold my judgment, protoype 6 and 4 are similar only difference is one is used by Chinese for testing other by PAC.
anyway in dubai airshow briefing, it has clearly been pointed out the jf-17 can carry all said ammunition. in all static dsiplays their are shown. i guess the proof u want will come out some day , as want to see an actual video or picture rather than taking the words of PAFofficials.


for links just see the video and slide show in jf-17 presentation in jf-17 info pool thread
http://www.defence.pk/forums/jf-17-thunder/71435-jf-17-thunder-information-pool-20.html

 

[ziaulislam]

guys everyone knows that current block is integrated with sd-10A , guided ammunition,
and testing is being done for c-802A, anyone doubting these are just well trolling...
The chief designer of JF17 J10B J10AS J20.YANGWEI introduce the PAK-china JF17 project at dubai - YouTube

this video has already been posted in jf-17 thread.
it clearly shows the ability while quoting that block 2 will have more advance capabilities...
well if u doubt this then i guess he is laying an all of u r telling the truth than?