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What about Antonov An-124 to replace old C-130 Aircraft?

Not again :hitwall::hitwall:

Why does PAF needs to replace its C-130s with double the size & capacity aircraft and you know well we are not at good terms with the Russians, they won't give.

Why post useless and unrealistic posts ??

C-130 needs to be replaced by an aircraft of its own caliber, not by one which is much much superior in specifications.

I thought you guys were my friends :confused:
 
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well i don't think they can move 5000 soldiers including gears

lets suppose they can

then enemy will only need one shot to kill 5000 solders

Transport planes operate normally on airzones protected by your airforce fighters -

Secondly , we lacked ability to transfer good from West Pakistan to East Pakistan , and it should be an example to our future generation

US is not idiot to have 2000-3000+ transport planes (active/retired)

Compare to that we have like what 20-30 planes from 60's we need to learn from our allies

No airforce is complete with out Transport plane for supplies
No navy is complete with out destroyers and carriers
No land force is compete with out helicopters / radars/surface to air defences
 
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We are happy with our C-130's fleet they do the task just fine and here to stay with us for a while plzz close this useless thread..
 
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im pretty sure PAF might get old PIA 747-200s in next few years but only IF PAF really needs it...
im guessing this because PAF got 707 from PIA as its heavy lifter...
 
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well razgriz Boeing 747 main task was for civilan not to carry millitary hardware better option available is C 17 globmaster many airforces have ordered it including UAE and india
 
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The Boeing C-17 Globemaster III military airlift aircraft is a high-wing, four-engine, T-tailed military transport vehicle capable of carrying payloads up to 169,000lb. It has an international range and the ability to land on small airfields. A fully integrated electronic cockpit and advanced cargo systems allow a crew of three; the pilot, co-pilot and loadmaster, to operate all systems on any type of mission.

Since it entered service in January 1995, 187 aircraft have been delivered to the US Air Force. In February 2009, a $2.95bn contract for the 15 additional C-17s will took the tally to 205 C-17s destined for the US Air Force by August 2010.

The UK Royal Air Force has six C-17s, which have, between them, flown more than 22 million nautical miles (25 million miles or 41 million kilometres) in their eight years of operations.

"The Boeing
C-17 Globemaster III military airlift aircraft is capable of carrying payloads up to 169,000lb."In August 2006, a fifth aircraft (delivered in April 2008) was ordered and the purchase of the first four aircraft in 2008 was confirmed. In December 2007, the UK purchased a sixth aircraft, aircraft which was delivered in June 2008.

In March 2006, Australia selected the C-17, with a requirement for four aircraft. The first aircraft was delivered in December 2006, the second in May 2007, the third in February 2008 and the final aircraft in March 2008.

In July 2006, Canada announced the selection of the C-17 with a requirement for four aircraft. The contract was signed in February 2007. Deliveries began in August 2007 and concluded in April 2008.

In September 2006, Nato announced its intention to buy an initial three or four C-17 aircraft. In June 2007, an international consortium, consisting of fifteen Nato countries plus two partner countries (Finland and Sweden), agreed to set up the strategic airlift capability (SAC) which will be based at Papa Air Base in Hungary.

A new Nato Airlift Management Organisation (NAMO) will purchase, own, and manage the aircraft. A multinational military unit, the heavy airlift wing (HAW), will conduct airlift operations. In May 2008, SAC requested the foreign military sale of the first two C-17 aircraft. Deliveries are planned to begin in spring 2009 and all three aircraft are to be delivered by the end of 2009. The SAC1 C-17's first flight is scheduled in June 2009,

In March 2007, Boeing announced that C-17 production would conclude in 2009, when current orders have been fulfilled. However the purchase of 15 additional aircraft for the USAF was approved in 2008.

In July 2008, Qatar placed an order for two C-17, to be delivered from mid-2009. The United Arab Emirates announced on 24 February 2009 that it will acquire four C-17s. There are currently 198 C-17s in service.

Flight-testing of the C-17 using a blend of synthetic fuel and JP-8 began in October 2007, as part of a USAF process to develop more-efficient fuel for its fleet, with less reliance on imported petrol. Certification for the aircraft powered by synthetic fuel was completed in February 2008.

Boeing has 687 suppliers in 43 states. Current orders will carry C-17 production till January 2011. Then it would need the support of the air force for any initial fielding of the advanced C-17 that is planned for 2015.

C-17 design
A propulsive lift system allows the C-17 to achieve safe landings on short runways. The C-17 is capable of landing a full payload in less than 3,000ft. The propulsive lift system uses engine exhaust to generate lift: the engine exhaust is directed onto large flaps, which extend into the exhaust stream, allowing the aircraft to fly a steep approach at a relatively low landing speed.

The aircraft is capable of turning in a small radius and can complete a 180° star turn in 80ft. The aircraft can also carry out routine backing. A fully loaded aircraft is capable of backing up a 2% gradient slope using the directed flow thrust reversers.

Cockpit

The C-17 cockpit accommodates pilot, co-pilot and two observer positions. The digital avionics system has four Honeywell multi-function cathode-ray tube displays, two full-capability HUDs head-up displays) plus cargo systems.

"Three crew operate all systems on any mission."The quadruple-redundant electronic flight control system also has a mechanically-actuated backup system.

There are two Lockheed Martin central processing computers, one Hamilton Sundstrand data management computer and two Honeywell air data computers.

A program to upgrade the C-17A avionics includes new mission computers and displays, new software for the warning and caution system, being provided by Northrop Grumman Navigation Systems. The automatic flight control system will be upgraded with BAE Systems Controls CsLEOS real-time operating system and will be certified for GATM (global air traffic management) system requirements.

Cargo systems

The design of the cargo compartment allows the C-17 to carry a wide range of vehicles, palleted cargo, paratroops, air-drop loads and aeromedical evacuees.

The cargo compartment has a sufficiently large cross-section to transport large wheeled and tracked vehicles, tanks, helicopters (such as the AH-64 Apache), artillery, and weapons such as the Patriot missile system. Three Bradley armoured vehicles comprise one deployment load on the C-17. The US Army M1A1 main battle tank can be carried with other vehicles.

The maximum payload is 170,900lb (77,519kg) with 18 pallet positions, including four on the ramp. Airdrop capabilities include: single load of up to 60,000lb (27,216kg), sequential loads of up to 110,000lb (49,895kg), Container Delivery System (CDS) airdrop up to 40 containers, 2,350lb (1,066kg) each; up to 102 paratroops.

"The C-17's cargo compartment can carry
large wheeled and tracked vehicles."The aircraft is equipped for LAPES (low-altitude parachute extraction system) drops. For Medevac, the C-17 can transport up to 36 litter and 54 ambulatory patients and attendants. C-17s can take off from a 7,600ft airfield, fly 2,400nm and refuel while in flight. It can land in 3,500ft (1,064m) and 90ft-wide (27.4m) airstrip.

Countermeasures

The C-17 is equipped with BAE Systems Integrated Defense Solutions (formerly Tracor) AN/ALE-47 countermeasure flare dispensers and the ATK AN/AAR-47 missile warning system.

AN/AAR-47 has a suite of surface-mounted thermal sensors around the aircraft, which detect the thermal signature of the missile exhaust plume. Frequency selection and signal processing techniques are used to minimise the false alarm rate. The system provides a warning to the crew via the cockpit indicator unit of the presence and direction of the missile threat. A signal is automatically sent to the ALE-47 dispenser.

AN/ALE-47 is capable of carrying a mix of expendable countermeasures, including jammers. The system interfaces to the C-17 aircraft's sensors. The aircrew can select the mode of operation of the dispenser for fully automatic, semi-automatic or manual operation.

The cockpit control unit can be used to input mission data, together with the numbers and types of expendable countermeasures systems loaded into the ALE-47. The cockpit controller updates and displays the status of the dispenser and the numbers and types of countermeasures remaining.

The ALE-47 is capable of dispensing the new-generation active expendable decoys, POET and GEN-X, in addition to the conventional chaff and flare decoys that are compatible with the previous-generation ALE-40 and ALE-39 dispensers.

"The C-17 has an international range and the ability to land on small airfields."56 USAF C-17 aircraft are being equipped with the Northrop Grumman large aircraft infrared countermeasures (LAIRCM) system.

LAIRCM is based on the AN/AAQ-24(V) NEMESIS. It entered low-rate initial production in August 2002 and completed initial operational test and evaluation in July 2004. 25 upgraded aircraft have been delivered. The system is scheduled to enter service in 2007. The four aircraft leased by the UK RAF are fitted with LAIRCM.

Turbofan engines

The four Pratt & Whitney PW2040 (military designation-F117-PW-100) turbofan engines with 40,440lb thrust each are integrated in the wings. Engine thrust reversers, which are operable in flight, and speedbrakes enable the aircraft to carry out rapid deceleration and descent manoeuvres.

The cruise speed is between Mach 0.74 and 0.77. The range without in-flight refuelling, and with a payload of 160,000lb, is 2,400nm. Aerial refuelling provides an intercontinental non-stop range.


best available option for paf and army for transfer of their huge weapons from one point to other with safety
 
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The An-124 Ruslan, designed by the Antonov ASTC, based in Kiev, Ukraine, is a very large cargo aircraft. It is manufactured by Aviant State Aviation Plant, Kiev, and Aviastar, Ulyanovsk, Russia.

The aircraft, which has the Nato reporting name Condor, is designed for long-range delivery and air dropping of heavy and large size cargo, including machines, equipment and troops. The An-124 entered service in January 1986 and over 60 aircraft have been built. The Russian Army operates 28 An-124 aircraft.

The unique transport capabilities and the high performance of the aircraft have been proven in operation.

20 An-124-100 of Antonov Airlines, Volga-Dniepr, Poliot and other airlines transport different cargoes all over the world; for example: 90t hydraulic turbines, large Liebherr autocranes, American Euclid dump trucks, the fuselage of Tu-204 passenger transporter, a 109t railway locomotive, and a sea yacht more than 25m long.

"The An-124 has the Nato reporting name Condor."Volga-Dniepr Airlines of Russia has ten An-124 aircraft. Polet Airlines of Russia operate eight An-124 aircraft.

Aviant State Aviation Plant in Kiev completed an An-124-100 from parts in stock which was sold to the United Arab Emirates in 2004.

Seven An-124-100 aircraft were operated by Antonov Airlines, based at London Stansted Airport, in partnership with Air Foyle HeavyLift. Antonov Airlines did not renew the contract for this partnership in June 2006 and has signed an agreement with Volga-Dniepr Airlines and Aviastar for the modernisation and construction of the An-124.

In September 2004, the governments of Russia and the Ukraine announced that series production of the An-124 would be restarted. Up to 80 An-124-100M upgraded aircraft are to be jointly manufactured by Aviastar and Aviant between 2007 and 2020.

Volga-Dnepr Airlines placed an order for five An-124-100M in August 2005. Deliveries are scheduled to begin in 2010. Supplemental type certification was received for the aircraft in June 2007, allowing operations with 402t maximum take-off weight and 150t maximum payload. The An-124-100M's flight range was increased to 4,000km and the crew reduced to three.

An-124 design

The aircraft fuselage has a double-deck layout. The cockpit, the relief crew compartment and the troop cabin with 88 seats are on the upper deck. The lower deck is the cargo hold. The flight deck has crew stations arranged in pairs for six crew: the pilot and co-pilot, two flight engineers, the navigator, and the communications officer. The loadmaster's station is located in the lobby deck.

"Up to 80
An-124-100M upgraded aircraft are to be manufactured between 2006 and 2020."The An-124 aircraft is fitted with a relatively thick (12%) swept-back super-critical wing to give high aerodynamic efficiency and, consequently, a long flight range.

The construction includes extruded skin panels on the wing, extruded plates for the centre-section wing panels and monolithic wafer plates for the fuselage panels. The aircraft structural members are made of composites that make up 1,500m² of the surface area.

Multi-leg landing gear and loading equipment ensure self-sufficient operation of the aircraft on prepared concrete runways and on unpaved strips.

The landing gear is self-orienting and incorporates a kneeling mechanism, which allows an adjustable fuselage clearance to assist the loading and unloading of self-propelled equipment.

Cargo systems

The onboard system of cargo handling equipment makes it possible to load and unload the aircraft without the help of ground facilities. The para-dropping and cargo handling equipment comprises two travelling cranes, two winches, rollgang and tiedown equipment. The aircraft is often compared to the US Lockheed Martin C-5 Galaxy. The An-124 has a transportation capability 25% higher than that of the C-5A and 10% higher than the C-5B.

The two cargo hatches are a distinctive structural feature. The fuselage nose can be hinged upward to open the front cargo hatch and there is a cargo hatch in the rear fuselage.

Avionics

All systems are quadruple redundant. The onboard equipment provides the capability to execute airlift and para-drop missions by day and at night, in visual flight rules and instrument flight rules (VFR and IFR) weather conditions. There are 34 computers functioning aboard the aircraft, combined into four main systems: navigation, automatic piloting, remote control and monitoring.

The integrated flight control and aiming-navigation system comprises an autonomous navigation system, altitude and air-speed indicating system, combat formation flight control equipment, short-range radio navigation and landing system, global positioning system, automatic radio compass, ground surveillance radar, forward-looking weather radar, optical and TV sight, and IFF equipment.

"Multi-leg landing gear and loading equipment ensure self-sufficient operation."An-124-210 and An-124-100M

Antonov, Aviastar and Air Foyle of the UK have jointly submitted a proposal to the UK MoD for leasing of new versions, the An-124-210 and An-124-100M. An-124-210 will be equipped with a Rolls-Royce RB211-52H-T engine; An-124-100M with series 3 D-18 engines, produced by Progress Design Bureau in Zaporozhe.

These engines allow an increase in service range of 10% and reduced take-off distance.

The An-124-210 is a 120ft-long cargo freighter. The floor width and height of aircraft is 21ft and 14.4ft respectively, with 10.5ft below the crane.

The An-124-100M aircraft has the capacity to travel 4,500km at a height of up to 10,000m carrying a maximum load of 120t. The aircraft is 36m long and 4.4m high. It can operate under 60°C below zero and 45°C above zero.

Both versions will be equipped with digital instrumentation and displays from Honeywell of the USA and Aviapribor of Russia, enabling the crew size to be reduced from six to four. Also fitted are a traffic alert collision avoidance system (TCAS 2000), ground proximity warning system and satellite communications system
 
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well razgriz Boeing 747 main task was for civilan not to carry millitary hardware better option available is C 17 globmaster many airforces have ordered it including UAE and india

yeah i agree but we can always convert it into a cargo plane, right?
707s were converted for cargo operations...
 
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i agree with you but how long we have to convert other things to get out of them some thing for military why not have a special plane which is meant to made for war zone not for civilian and plane like of 707 will take more modifications to take them into war zone other wise they are like sitting ducks no chaffs and other countermeasure is not good idea better to go for 5 C 17 globmaster
 
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What about Antonov An-124 to replace old C-130 Aircraft?

Antonov An-124
Role: Transport Aircraft
Manufacturer: Antonov
Unit cost: USD$70-100 million

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The A/C being compared are not even in the same class.
Can't compare chalk with cheese.:tdown:
 
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well razgriz Boeing 747 main task was for civilan not to carry millitary hardware better option available is C 17 globmaster many airforces have ordered it including UAE and india

@Super Falcon,
Just to share some info. The Boeing 747 was in fact designed as a military freighter. That is why there is a hump above the nose section which incorporates the cockpit- for the forward opening, clamshell doors for cargo loading. It was competing for a USAF contract which it lost to the C-5 GALAXY. Then Boeing transformed it in to the world's first "jumbo" jet. The rest is history. A looser became a huge commercial success.:cheers:
 
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@Super Falcon,
Just to share some info. The Boeing 747 was in fact designed as a military freighter. That is why there is a hump above the nose section which incorporates the cockpit- for the forward opening, clamshell doors for cargo loading. It was competing for a USAF contract which it lost to the C-5 GALAXY. Then Boeing transformed it in to the world's first "jumbo" jet. The rest is history. A looser became a huge commercial success.:cheers:


yes it might be made for military but even a country who made it not buyed it for military because it lacked something tahts why they picked C 5 galaxy but the 787 get most of its success for surving civilians transport and civilian cargo why you buy such a plane which country makes it not even buyed it for own use USAF wanted it to be used in USAF but after tests C 5 got better of it it will be blunder to waste the money on it it will be better to add some money on that plane and buy C 17 globmaster And antonov is very good but pakistan main objective to defend the country not to attack antonov is made to carry huge tanks in numbers and send them and through them in enemy country which we done need it takes alot of fuel twice the C 5 and we dont need it IL 78 is good but better from them all is C 17 and C 130 hercules
 
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As i hear frm a colonel (SSG) accordin to him PAKISTAN has bought 6 CASA planes for SSG.
 
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yes from indonesia in 2005 or in 2006 well it is small transport plane u cannot put in it tanks or any heavy things only one jeep or car but very effective for troops transport but still C 130 bettter than casa because it can doo both it takes troops and one tank in it if im not wrong
 
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