What a young 21 year old resident of ISL thinks about our situation?

[Beskar]

One of my friend recently was debating with me on our current situation with the Taliban. He's currently doing architecture design from NCA Islamabad. I thought it was important to share his views with our membership here. Which would somehow give you all an Idea what the youth from ISL thinks about this disease that we're suffering from. Most of his buddies in university agree with him on this so yes, there ARE young guns out there waiting to take revenge. It's just a matter of time WHEN they do it.

'My two Paisa's on how to deal with the Taliban'

Form civilian militias.
give the people the means and authority to respond with their inevitable fury.
That will show the world and our enemies how pissed we are.

They are EMOTIONALLY charged fighters. And they need to be fought with the same degree of emotional attachment. Which our people are filled to the brim with.

Has anyone noticed the calm and collected nature of our leadership during this veritable crisis? I know I have. The same leaders who broke barriers and spoke loudly and vainly about the pursuit of justice in this country are sitting dull probably eating mangoes by the kilo doing nothing.

Power to the People. **** the judiciary, **** the military, if this country is going down one slope, we need to create another to counter it, so the two can at least catch this now sorry State in the middle and create some form of stability.

ANARCHY.

"If they send one of yours to the hospital, you send one of theirs to the morgue."

Best way to explain what to do.

-Muhammad

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EDIT: His recent concern about the safety of Pakistan and Islamabad were published on The News, International. I Figured it'll help you guys understand the above post a little bit better.

O politicians and generals, wake up!

http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=174153

A headline in your newspaper on April 23 said "Taliban cannot cross Margala hills: DC". Really, Mr Deputy Commissioner? Wow! That's a revelation. I feel much safer now that I've been told that the militants won't be stopped until they reach the Margalla hills. What's that you say? You detect a hint of sarcasm? Oh yes that, well you see, last time I checked the map, and it was very recently mind you, the Margalla Hills were not located somewhere in far away China, but in fact are in full view of my home in Islamabad (yes that's the capital city of Pakistan just in case you aren't aware) and that of every home in the twin cities, and also a place where many like me go for rest and relaxation and are proud to call a part of this city and country.

So you understand if I, like the many millions of others (I'm sure) am not merely satisfied or heartened by your assertion that the Taliban will just be allowed up to the Margalla Hills, and nowhere nearer. I'm hoping you have a small foot, Mr Deputy Commissioner, because if it's even a bit large, you might have trouble fitting it into your mouth, which you will need to do after this statement. Good Day.

-Muhammad

Islamabad

 

[RescueRanger]

Thanks Bezerk, i support that. And like i said, the only thing that can counter this is either a draft or even better a civillian millitia movement.

 

[muse]

Most of his buddies in university agree with him on this so yes, there ARE young guns out there waiting to take revenge. It's just a matter of time WHEN they do it

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Yes Sir - that's what I'm talking about it - then what will all those who refused to be reasonable, who insisted that their religion and their religious duty meant beheading persons and beating women in the streets, or threatening women with rape unless they wore burka -- this should be welcomed, it will allow the creation of the kind of Pakistan all reasonable and good spirited persons want and which we owe our legacy.

 

[Captain03]

give the people the power?
we gave the people the power during the elections and guess who they voted?
zardari!
sometimes you have to make measures that are good for your people
if they people want to do something instead of complaining and watching they should support the army and their country to end extremists and end corruption.

 

[KnightRyder]

No offense but your friend is very short-sighted. He has shown no inclination to look at the root causes of terrorism that keeps breeding more terrorists everyday.

TTP and other rebel groups propped up in recent years are created and instigated by the invasion of A-Stan by US Army. They're driven out and pushed into Pakistan deliberately for a purpose. So long as US colonizes Afghanistan using mass murdering criminal warlords to oppress the pashtun and any other dissenting voices, and drone attacks continue in NWFP killing innocents, terrorists will keep multiplying. Their kids will grow up to take revenge on anyone that represents the US Army. In fact it is already happening...kid of a lal-masjid cleric wants to become a warrior...

Pakistan needs to negotiate with the US first and foremost on their plans in the region. They need to know how long is the US planning to stay in A-stan. What are their ulterior motives...and they need to stop the drone attacks killing innocents in NWFP.

 

[KnightRyder]

No offense but your friend is very short-sighted. He has shown no inclination to look at the root causes of terrorism that keeps breeding more terrorists everyday.

TTP and other rebel groups propped up in recent years are created and instigated by the invasion of A-Stan by US Army. They're driven out and pushed into Pakistan deliberately for a purpose. So long as US colonizes Afghanistan using mass murdering criminal warlords to oppress the pashtun and any other dissenting voices, and drone attacks continue in NWFP killing innocents, terrorists will keep multiplying. Their kids will grow up to take revenge on anyone that represents the US Army. In fact it is already happening...kid of a lal-masjid cleric wants to become a warrior...

Pakistan needs to negotiate with the US first and foremost on their plans in the region. They need to know how long is the US planning to stay in A-stan. What are their ulterior motives...and they need to stop the drone attacks killing innocents in NWFP.

 

[anathema]

One of my friend recently was debating with me on our current situation with the Taliban. He's currently doing architecture design from NCA Islamabad. I thought it was important to share his views with our membership here. Which would somehow give you all an Idea what the youth from ISL thinks about this disease that we're suffering from. Most of his buddies in university agree with him on this so yes, there ARE young guns out there waiting to take revenge. It's just a matter of time WHEN they do it.

'My two Paisa's on how to deal with the Taliban'

Form civilian militias.
give the people the means and authority to respond with their inevitable fury.
That will show the world and our enemies how pissed we are.

They are EMOTIONALLY charged fighters. And they need to be fought with the same degree of emotional attachment. Which our people are filled to the brim with.

Has anyone noticed the calm and collected nature of our leadership during this veritable crisis? I know I have. The same leaders who broke barriers and spoke loudly and vainly about the pursuit of justice in this country are sitting dull probably eating mangoes by the kilo doing nothing.

Power to the People. **** the judiciary, **** the military, if this country is going down one slope, we need to create another to counter it, so the two can at least catch this now sorry State in the middle and create some form of stability.

ANARCHY.

"If they send one of yours to the hospital, you send one of theirs to the morgue."

Best way to explain what to do.

-Muhammad

Even if there is a strong militia movement, it needs to have a strong educated and possibly a young leader....Remember even Taliban started out as a Movement and look what it has become now....

Best is to address root cause...shut the madrasa's which are spewing venom, send in army to show who's the boss and emphasis on education (proper one) ...and also pakistani media needs to step up....i feel they are not projecting the atrocities done by taliban enuf....media/newspapers can bring out strong reactions ...thats one thing (if any) pakistan should observe and learn from India - media.

 

[Kharian_Beast]

Pakistan needs to negotiate with the US first and foremost on their plans in the region. They need to know how long is the US planning to stay in A-stan. What are their ulterior motives...and they need to stop the drone attacks killing innocents in NWFP.

I agree with you that Pakistan army should plan according to what they are able to discern from the motives of the powers in the region. This only can make sense for national security and long term stability. However his friend is not short sighted, you need to deal with each symptom to attack the problem as a whole. Ignore the more pressing issues and you are doomed to see death and destruction.

 

[muse]

The External is important but not as lmportant as the Internal -- Pakistan derives strength and power from the internal --Instead of being hostages to "concensus", Pakistan army must create "facts" on the ground anhd let the politicians who fail Pakistan to explain those "facts".

Soon a bigger challenge will appear on the horizon, and again, it will be internal, please review carefully this editorial from today's Daily Times Editorial:Earlier I had suggested that Mr. Nawaz Sharif is hellbent to destablize this government and informed voices are now wondering what role Mr. Kiyani may possibly play in Mr. Nawaz Sharif's plans, read this editoriasl carefully it is an agreement to pay Mr. Nawaz Sharif Blackmail and give him unrestricted powers through depriving the president from the power to send Majllis home and call for new elections. Once Mr. Sharif has this power, Zardari and the PPP govt's days are numbered but through this editorial a signal is being sent that gthe Zardari and PPP govt will prefer a few more days reprieve

Second Editorial: An APC of all and sundry

The PMLN leader, Mr Nawaz Sharif, has written to Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani to convene a grand national conference to discuss the problems the country is facing. Political parties, Baloch leaders, intellectuals, the army, civil society and all stakeholders have been invited by him “to sit together and evolve a national agenda”. Mr Sharif has talked about the problem of terrorism and the law and order situation in general, but wants the conference to be a “hold-all” affair. He says: “access to speedy justice, load shedding, unemployment and inflation should also be discussed” in the conference.

In Pakistan the record shows that when a solution becomes hard to conceive, people recommend the holding of an all-parties conference or APC. If the APC is a single-item affair, it has chances of actually throwing up a solution. This happened when, for example, Republican President George Bush got the Democrats in the US Congress to give him a bipartisan permit to invade Iraq in 2003. But in our parts, the idea is actually not to find a solution but listen to voices often lost in the noise of the main stakeholders. APCs don’t offer “actionable” solutions because they are not proportionally represented and the big parties are equated with the small parties. The big national decisions have to be made by the ruling party or, if that is possible, the ruling party together with the main opposition party. But any “consensus resolution” after an APC may actually put before the nation an agenda that is impossible of realisation.

The last time a “national consensus” was expressed in a joint session of the parliament in Islamabad it caused more harm than good. Everyone went in with his point of view and insisted on its inclusion instead of agreeing on one point. The session was “successful” because everyone found that the resolution contained their point of view, little realising that the resolution was in fact self-contradictory. Needless to say, the “national consensus” was finally not found “actionable” on ground. An APC today will multiply contradiction and confusion. What is practicable is a jointly resolved stand between the PMLN and the PPP to stand up to terrorism. On the other items mentioned by Mr Sharif, the two parties must ensure the enforcement of the Charter of Democracy. *

 

[PAFAce]

My respects for the emotions and motivation of your friend, but what an absolutely rediculous idea. Civil Militia! and what happens when they get out of control? All this energy spent on "revenge" and what happens? the country bathes in blood. If you're so ticked, do what the forefathers did and rise. Civil militias... seriously, do we want to become an African nation? "Forget Japan, our role model is Sudan!" Firepower in the hands of ticked-off teenagers bent on destruction. We all know Power corrupts, but firepower kills.

Anarchy? hell no! Make a future for yourselves on the principle of knowledge, peace, unity and the proper teachings of Islam. For that, Inqilaab Zindabad!

"If they send one of yours to the hospital, you send one of theirs to the morgue."
What is this, the feudal age?

Lastly, I agree, F the politicians and F military rule. Let's change that together.

 

[muse]

Paface

What an intersting post - your prescription in the face of murderers who despise knowledge is to gain knowledge (from where? how when school burnig is big) and out Islam the islamist.

You know I cheer the idea of a milita, at least it is not sticking one's head in the sand and pretending that Pakistan are not under mortal threat and ordinary life can just go on.

Lets first get past the "to be or not to be" part, later we can decide if INQILAB is necessary and if so, how many politicians and mad mullahs will it consume.

 

[PAFAce]

Paface

What an intersting post - your prescription in the face of murderers who despise knowledge is to gain knowledge (from where? how when school burnig is big) and out Islam the islamist.

You know I cheer the idea of a milita, at least it is not sticking one's head in the sand and pretending that Pakistan are not under mortal threat and ordinary life can just go on.

Lets first get past the "to be or not to be" part, later we can decide if INQILAB is necessary and if so, how many politicians and mad mullahs will it consume.

I think it would be beneficial if you to re-read my post. Either that or my english is lacking. I am not against action at all, neither am I arguing that all is fine and dandy. I am, however, against mob-rule and "civil militia" (a self-contradictory term, by the way).

Anyway, you're talking of beating fire with fire, at least I'm talking of defeating ignorance with knowledge. I think one idea is much more realistic than the other with fewer side-affects. Guess which one? (hint: who puts out the second fire?) Also, I think the answer to "is Inqilaab necessary?" is pretty damn obvious. Hell, it couldn't be more obvious if our forefathers rose up from the graves and slapped us in the face.

Allama Iqbal rolls over. His Eagles have refused to soar.

 

[S-2]

Scenery's lovely. Views spectacular. Fascinating culture.

Natural gas everywhere. Good allies in the Indians.

We'll be around for awhile. So will PREDATOR. You forget that it's a function of incessant war made on Afghanistan from your soil.

Commonly called sanctuary for which you've aborgated sovereign control over the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan. For now the militants and their local supporters are discretely attacked by PREDATOR.

As to enflaming public opinion?

Puhleez!!! This is the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan, not some drawing room in Islamabad. These guys have hated us faithfully per your prescribed narrative for decades. It's become like the Korengal- a killing ground where you can leave or stand aside but we're killing bad guys and ask that the locals not to complicate matters. When that happens, we'll kill them too.

Sometimes by intent and that's fine.

 

[parihaka]

Goodness me, I find my last post here was apparently 2006, how remiss of me.
Apropos of the subject, during my own brief but turbulent tenure at university I found that while filled to the brim with fine rhetoric and high falutin' ideals, your average student tended to leave it to the hoi polloi to do the actual hard yards.
I don't think looking to the intelligentsia is the way out of the current conundrum.

 

[S-2]

Nice to see you drop by, laddie.

You're among friend here.