West Bengal name change to "Bangla" and Bangladesh's national anthem dilemma

[kobiraaz]

By that logic entire human race would probably be Africans. The point is, the region of Bengal, Bengali language, and its broad identities were already established before the Muslim invaders came in. However, my motivation to distinguish the people of this region into Bengali and Bangladeshi originates from the fact that we Indian Bengalis are amongst the most liberal thinking, tolerant and cultured people in this region strongly believing and upholding the principles of secularism, sometimes to the extent of being ideological fools, that apart, I find it difficult to associate and share our ethnic identity with the other part that stands on the opposite side of the spectrum.

Besides, there are good number of Bangladeshis, majority in this forum, who rather despise the Bengali identity for being too Hindu-like. So, it is only prudent that we differentiate our identities as the next logical step after partition. 'Bengali' and 'Bangladeshi' are obvious choices.

আর তর্কে যাবো না। কলকাতা যদি এতই উদার হতো তাহলে ভারতের ছায়ায় না থেকে অনেক আগেই বাংলা জাতীয়তাবাদের উন্মেষ ঘটতো। ৭১ এ ধর্মীয় পরিচয়ের উর্ধ্বে গিয়ে যে কাজ বাংলাদেশ পেরেছে সেটা আপনাদের পক্ষে সম্ভব না, হবেও না। কলকাতার যে উদার পন্থার বিকাশ ঘটেছিল সে কথা অস্বীকার করবো না। কিন্তু সে যুগ আর নাই। তবু স্বীকার করতে বাধ্য সমগ্র ভারতের তুলনায় আপনারা এখন ও সুসভ্য। যে বাংলাদেশকে আপনারা সাম্প্রদায়িক বলেন সে দেশে সবচেয়ে জনপ্রিয় ইসলামিক দলের ভোট ৫ শতাংশের বেশি নয়। অপর দিকে হুবুহু একই রকম আদর্শের এক লোক ভারতের প্রধানমন্ত্রী। উন্নয়ন এর কথা টানলে এটাও বলি জামায়াত দুর্নীতিমুক্ত তবুও ভোট ব্যাংক নাই। অতএব দয়া করে আমাদের সাথে তুলনা দিতে আসবেন না।

 

[Homo Sapiens]

So, it is only prudent that we differentiate our identities as the next logical step after partition. 'Bengali' and 'Bangladeshi' are obvious choices.

Your biggest identity is hindustani.You can always pick that name.Bangladesh itself means nation of bengali.So Bangladeshi and Bengali is same to us.

 

[Anubis]

History tells that Bengalis / Banglas are the native Hindus who lived in the region which are Bengal/Bangla and Bangladesh today.

In 1400s a foreign religion spread its filthy tentacles in that region and force converted native hindu banglas to just banglas. I am happy that many proudly call them Banglas, which is originally used to point to bengali hindus, in spite of religion switch. When some one say bengali, India is the first thing which strikes their mind. Others can shout, rant, ramble, tear their clothes off, bang their heads over a wall saying that they are the trademark banglas but truth is big enough to not to be hidden or twisted.

Then you should learn better history....We were Buddhists first...Hinduism is as alien as Islam to this people.

 

[Hasan89]

By that logic entire human race would probably be Africans. The point is, the region of Bengal, Bengali language, and its broad identities were already established before the Muslim invaders came in. However, my motivation to distinguish the people of this region into Bengali and Bangladeshi originates from the fact that we Indian Bengalis are amongst the most liberal thinking, tolerant and cultured people in this region strongly believing and upholding the principles of secularism, sometimes to the extent of being ideological fools, that apart, I find it difficult to associate and share our ethnic identity with the other part that stands on the opposite side of the spectrum.

Besides, there are good number of Bangladeshis, majority in this forum, who rather despise the Bengali identity for being too Hindu-like. So, it is only prudent that we differentiate our identities as the next logical step after partition. 'Bengali' and 'Bangladeshi' are obvious choices.

Listen dhoti wala from the other side.
Your BS means nothing to us. You can't change Bangalis from being bangalis, you hindified big0t. We are the real bangalis from
Bangladesh, the proper bangal tigers, we fought war and gave blood for our language and for land of bangalis (Bangladesh). We are Muslim mojority and proud but we are bangalis and proud too.

Whether we have had arab who came into our regions and influenced our region with arabianism/Islam or not still doesnt matter or change what we are. Arabs/turks came to bangal and gave us Islam and we are proud of it and thank God they did come and spreaded Islam in our land hence we are Muslims today (Alhamdulilah).


We are what we are. Funny how a dhoti man from the otherside thinks he can tell the 170million what we or not.

 

[Nilgiri]

By that logic entire human race would probably be Africans. The point is, the region of Bengal, Bengali language, and its broad identities were already established before the Muslim invaders came in. However, my motivation to distinguish the people of this region into Bengali and Bangladeshi originates from the fact that we Indian Bengalis are amongst the most liberal thinking, tolerant and cultured people in this region strongly believing and upholding the principles of secularism, sometimes to the extent of being ideological fools, that apart, I find it difficult to associate and share our ethnic identity with the other part that stands on the opposite side of the spectrum.

Besides, there are good number of Bangladeshis, majority in this forum, who rather despise the Bengali identity for being too Hindu-like. So, it is only prudent that we differentiate our identities as the next logical step after partition. 'Bengali' and 'Bangladeshi' are obvious choices.

Great post....and agree fully with your last sentence.

I am going to refer to even Bangladesh as Indian controlled East Pakistan (ICEP) with some particular members from now on.

 

[dy1022]

 

[ThaniOruvan]

You are wrong.Most of the people in Bangladesh during the muslim conquest in 13th century were Buddhist rather than Hindu.Most famous Buddhist of that time was Atish Dipankar, who is considered the 2nd Buddhah.We have Buddhist legacy not Hindu.

Before Buddhism which religion did they follow ? Are you aware that Buddhism forked out of Hinduism ? And, please be noted that Buddha himself was a Hindu prince. Try to read real history instead of the distorted version taught to you in schools just to keep your morales high.

So The propaganda was done by Ray Bahadur Dinesh Chandra Sen? Logic is your second name eh?

Bengali congealed from Magdhi Prakit 1400 years ago and came into todays form 600 years ago. As such when you are talking about Bengalis any prior reference is irrelevant.

The people of thiss area were mostly animist of Dravidian origin.

I AM NOT TAKING ANYTHING FROM HINDUS. JUST TRYING TO GIVE THEM THEIR OWN MEDICINE WHEN THEY TRY TO TAKE BENGALI FROM OUR MUSLIM IDENTITY

You are totally wrong. It is the other way around. Bangladeshi muslims are trying to own the bengali tradition. Bengali is language derived from Sanskrit (you can find a lot in the internet), original Bengalis are Hindus. Bengali tradition, culture etc were well established before even islam came in to south asia. Then how can muslims say that theirs is the original bengali tradition. Hoax, I say. Muslims can borrow that tradition owing to the fact that most sub-continent muslims have Hindu origin.

 

[Nilgiri]

Before Buddhism which religion did they follow ? Are you aware that Buddhism forked out of Hinduism ? And, please be noted that Buddha himself was a Hindu prince. Try to read real history instead of the distorted version taught to you in schools just to keep your morales high.

They will next say Anga Desh Karan was a "Buddhist" too even before Buddha was born

He certainly was an extreme pacifist

 

[ThaniOruvan]

Then you should learn better history....We were Buddhists first...Hinduism is as alien as Islam to this people.

I am repeating again. Buddhism branched out of Hinduism. Most sub-continent muslims have Hindu roots.

 

[Anubis]

I am repeating again. Buddhism branched out of Hinduism. Most sub-continent muslims have Hindu roots.

Buddhism branching out of Hinduism doesn't have anything to do it....do Koreans also have Hindu roots?

 

[Nilgiri]

I suggest you watch this @Anubis to get an idea of the Hindu roots present in East Asian Buddhism.

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[kobiraaz]

Before Buddhism which religion did they follow ? Are you aware that Buddhism forked out of Hinduism ? And, please be noted that Buddha himself was a Hindu prince. Try to read real history instead of the distorted version taught to you in schools just to keep your morales high.


You are totally wrong. It is the other way around. Bangladeshi muslims are trying to own the bengali tradition. Bengali is language derived from Sanskrit (you can find a lot in the internet), original Bengalis are Hindus. Bengali tradition, culture etc were well established before even islam came in to south asia. Then how can muslims say that theirs is the original bengali tradition. Hoax, I say. Muslims can borrow that tradition owing to the fact that most sub-continent muslims have Hindu origin.

The bangla Language is made of Sanskrit Words, Dravidian words and Islamic words like Arabic And Farsi. Even rain man uses Hundreds of Arabic words in everyday life. We may have originated from hindu land. But Majority of Bengalis are Muslilms That is your tragedy

 

[ThaniOruvan]

Buddhism branching out of Hinduism doesn't have anything to do it....do Koreans also have Hindu roots?

Very foolish question. Are we talking about Koreans or Bengalis ? Each and every person in indian sub-continent has Hindu roots and bengali means bangla hindus.

The bangla Language is made of Sanskrit Words, Dravidian words and Islamic words like Arabic And Farsi. Even rain man uses Hundreds of Arabic words in everyday life. We may have originated from hindu land. But Majority of Bengalis are Muslilms That is your tragedy

Hindu bongs' numbers are more than you know. Bengali is second largest spoken language in India. There is a reason for that.

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Even if millions of people shout millions of times that real banglas are muslims it will not become the truth. Truth is large enough to remain obvious and evident for several centuries to come. Bengali/banglas are terminologies used to identify Hindus from the regions which are Bengal/Bangla and Bangladesh today. When those Hindus converted to Islam they also borrowed the bangla tradition and culture and today some gentleman without an iota of shame claim all of bangla heritage. Another person went a bit ahead and told that all over the world bangla means a Bangladeshi muslim. How funny and naive !

One question, you all converted to islam then why do you still want yourselves to be identified as Bengalis or banglas which is a tradition nurtured and prospered by Hindus ? Can we all assume that you all found nothing to proudly identify yourselves from something in Islam and still clinging on to Hindu traditions ?

 

[kobiraaz]

Very foolish question. Are we talking about Koreans or Bengalis ? Each and every person in indian sub-continent has Hindu roots and bengali means bangla hindus.



Hindu bongs' numbers are more than you know. Bengali is second largest spoken language in India. There is a reason for that.

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Even if millions of people shout millions of times that real banglas are muslims it will not become the truth. Truth is large enough to remain obvious and evident for several centuries to come. Bengali/banglas are terminologies used to identify Hindus from the regions which are Bengal/Bangla and Bangladesh today. When those Hindus converted to Islam they also borrowed the bangla tradition and culture and today some gentleman without an iota of shame claim all of bangla heritage. Another person went a bit ahead and told that all over the world bangla means a Bangladeshi muslim. How funny and naive !

One question, you all converted to islam then why do you still want yourselves to be identified as Bengalis or banglas which is a tradition nurtured and prospered by Hindus ? Can we all assume that you all found nothing to proudly identify yourselves from something in Islam and still clinging on to Hindu traditions ?

There is no point in arguing. We are going in circles. Just like Arabs were Arabs before Islam came, We were Bengalis and Still Bangalis.


There are More Bengali Muslims than Bengali Hindus. A simple google search would tell you that.Why do you even bother to post when you have no clue about what you are talking?

 

[asad71]

Soon there will be demand to rename BD as Muslim Bangla.