Bangladeshis have mixed reaction to West Bengal’s name-change proposal

[kobiraaz]

Then you should not have any problem with shirk either.

My Bengal of Gold (Precious),
I love you.
Forever your skies, your air set my heart in tune As if it were a flute.
In spring, O mother mine, the fragrance from your mango groves Makes me wild with joy
Ah, what a thrill!
In autumn, O mother mine,
In the full blossomed paddy fields
I have seen spread all over sweet smiles
Ah, what a beauty, what shades, what an affection And what a tenderness!
What a quilt have you spread at the feet of Banyan trees And along the banks of rivers!
O mother mine, words from your lips
Are like nectar to my ears.
Ah, what a thrill!
If sadness, O mother mine, casts a gloom on your face, my eyes are filled with tears!

Show me any sign of Shirk and I will concur your opinion.

West Bengal and East Bengal are different linguistically due to different Bengali accent. East Bengalis and present day Bangladeshis speak very casual and informal Bengali with some different vocabulary in day to day life but most West Bengalis talk very bookish and formal Bengali even in daily conversation. Very few West Bengalis bordering Bangladesh talk similar to Bangladeshi accent even then there are differences.

Original West Bengalis facial structure is not same as Bangladeshis or East Bengalis. Generally West Bengalis in majority look a lot better than most East Bengalis and Bangladeshis (No offense but its true). Majority of East Bengalis and present Bangladeshis have tanned dark skin compared to original West Bengalis.

During Partition the area was divided mainly along religious line but also along ethnic line due to certain linguistic and cultural differences.

East Bengali Hindus who settled in West Bengal in 1947 and afterwards and also during 1971 genocide of East Bengalis still have hard time to completely adhere to West Bengali culture even though both are Hindus. The current generation of East Bengali in West Bengal are hybrid generation due to marriage between East Bengali migrants with original West Bengali residents. They are more comfortable in West Bengal than their East Bengali ancestors.

There were serious Bangal (East Bengali)-Ghoti ( original West Bengali) cultural conflicts for decades but now it has become a matter of light unharmed fight and humor which reflects mainly in football matches of Bangal team 'East Bengal' and Ghoti team 'Mohun Bagan'.

@Rain Man is East Bengali 'Bangal' in West Bengal from both parents side.


Bangal
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Bangal is a term used to refer to the people of East Bengal (usually from regions around Dhaka and Barisal), now in Bangladesh (as opposed to the Ghotis of West Bengal). The term is used to describe Bengalis from the east, who are marked by a distinct accent.

Some of the people from East Bengal, mainly Hindus, migrated to West Bengal during the Partition of India in 1947. These refugees were sometimes referred to as Bangals by the native population of West Bengal.

The terms Ghoti and Bangal are mostly used in West Bengal while in Bangladesh, the usage of these is rare except in regions with relatively high concentrations of immigrants from West Bengal.


Amongst the high-caste Bengali Hindus, "Bangal" and "Ghoti" are used as social sub-groups. Those whose families came from East Bengal at the time of Partition are Bangals and those whose families were staying in West Bengal at that time are Ghotis.Similarly the people who came West Bengal from East Bengal Before the Independence of India,1947 are also known as Ghotis as they were staying in West Bengal, India, at the time of Independence. The term as used here has little relation to actual geography, since most members of these groups all now live in India. Historically, in addition to marrying within their castes, people from these groups also preferred to marry within the group, whether Bangal or Ghoti.

Bangals and Ghotis keep up their cultural rivalry through their respective support of the football clubs East Bengal (Bangals) and Mohun Bagan (Ghotis). They also cherish a rivalry through claim of supremacy of their respective cuisines and especially river-food delicacies, i. e., Chingri (prawn) for Ghotis and Ilish (hilsa) for Bangals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangal

Why don't you come with your original name instead of a muslim sounding one?? Roy, Ram , Ravan whatever instead of Riyad.

Thanks brother. I always thought all Bengalis were the same and the partition was only along religious lines. Like for Sindh and Punjab. I did not know you are racially distinct. I always got the impression it was slightly different dialect. Like Assam and Odisha.



What was the division of East Bengal and West Bengal? Was it a British legacy or indigenously traditional?

Okey You are being taught pseudo history by racist stupid idiot. Partition took place along religious line and there is no racial bullshit. Bengalis can be very dark or white like Persians. There is no regional diversity inside Bengal.

Most of the kolkata movie actors actresses directors singers have their roots in east bengal. Ask the idiot to explain the reason.

 

[Species]

How much bullshitting is enough for you? Who are these 'original west Bengali'? I suspect you are the 'original west Bengali' illegally staying in BD and remitting money.Your round the clock hard labor to put down BD and glorify your Bharat mata has entered in a new phase with the revelation of how Bangladeshi people are racially,culturally inferior to your real homeland west bengal.Why are you hiding behind Bangladeshi flag,you illegal indian?

Report this fake poster for sucking upto a Kolkata Babu.

@Riyad is a known false flagger, already proven. He is now trolling to attract posters and keep this troll thread running.

 

[bluesky]

Descendants of East Bengalis are present day Bangladeshis with few having traces of Afghans, Turks, Afro-Arabs and Persians.

Your statement about east and west Bengals does not hold water, because the present border was made only in 1947. So, the admixture phenomenon exists in all the Muslims in east and west Bengal, Bihar, Arakan and Assam. However, the mix of Muslims in the east and west Bengals are same. It is a mix of foreign invading Muslims who immigrated to Bengal and settled there plus who became converted from the local Hindus. Thus, our mixes have made us racially separate from the present day Hindus. They remain as they were in 1200 AD.

There are variations in Assamese and Arakanese Muslims. In 1430, during the time of Sultan Ghiyasuddin Azam Shah, he sent a huge number of troops to restore the Buddhist King. The Muslims from Gaur domiciled there. Arakanese Muslims have also more Yemeni Arab mixture because of large immigration. Refer to Ibn Batuta account. On the other hand, Assamese Muslims have more Assamese and Monipuri Mongolian admixture.

 

[MadDog]

Quick question, being a Pakistani, just found the thread to be intriguing, what was the song about, how was its in essence anti muslim , did they literally bash muslims or islam in it ?

 

[TopCat]

Quick question, being a Pakistani, just found the thread to be intriguing, what was the song about, how was its in essence anti muslim , did they literally bash muslims or islam in it ?

The song was written in protest of 1905 bengal division act. It talks about Bengali nationalism.

 

[Riyad]

Quick question, being a Pakistani, just found the thread to be intriguing, what was the song about, how was its in essence anti muslim , did they literally bash muslims or islam in it ?

The song was written by Rabindranath Tagore, an Indian Bengali poet in protest of Bengal division in 1905 into East Bengal and West Bengal along religious line by the British after the Hindu-Muslim riots. There is nothing anti-Islamic in it. It talks about Bengal's beauty.

First 10 lines of the song is Bangladesh's national anthem.

The english translation is as such:

My golden Bangla
I love you.

Forever your skies, your air set my heart in tune
As if it were a flute.

In spring, O mother mine, the fragrance from your mango groves
Makes me wild with joy
Ah, what a thrill!
In autumn, O mother mine,
In the full blossomed paddy fields
I have seen spread all over sweet smiles.

 

[Riyad]

How much bullshitting is enough for you? Who are these 'original west Bengali'? I suspect you are the 'original west Bengali' illegally staying in BD and remitting money.Your round the clock hard labor to put down BD and glorify your Bharat mata has entered in a new phase with the revelation of how Bangladeshi people are racially,culturally inferior to your real homeland west bengal.Why are you hiding behind Bangladeshi flag,you illegal indian?

Original West Bengalis are those who didn't migrate from East Bengal to West Bengal during partition.

There are cultural differences between East Bengalis / later Bangladeshis and West Bengalis.

Don't believe me. Believe this poster.

https://www.quora.com/Bangla-Bengal...conflict-of-claiming-superiority-over-another


Koyel Bandyopadhyay, I study, research and know about ways of life
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Region

People who came to West Bengal, India, from East Pakistan (today’s Bangladesh) are called Bangals. Ghotis are the (native) people of West Bengal, but then not all natives of west Bengal are called Ghotis.
Ghotis are particularly those people who were/are residents of districts like Hooghly, Howrah, Purba Medinipur, Paschim Medinipur, Burdwan, Bankura, Birbhum, etc. i.e. South Bengal and west of the Hooghly river.

Bangals and Ghotis differ on these 3 Fs.

Football: Bangals prefer East Bengal, Ghotis prefer Mohun Bagan. That's a general rule though exceptions exist. Based on which team wins, Bangals and Ghotis celebrate by eating their ethnic delicacies, which differ again. People get militant on this issue and I'm only understating facts here.

Fish: Ghotis tend to prefer sweet water fish like Carp (Rohu and Katla) while Bangals prefer a wide variety of fish, including their Shnutkis (salted and dried fish which are cooked with much fanfare and spices). On the other hand, Ghotis can't stand the smell of Shnutki-s.

Ghotis are a big fan of prawns and are often symbolized (by the Bangals of course) by the crustacean, which Bangals do not consider as fish (prawns are deemed as and called fish in Bengali) while upholding Hilsa (Ilish) as symbols of their ethnic identity. Since Ghotis also love Hilsa, the bigger bone of contention becomes which river produces the better Hilsa: the Ganges or the Padma (in Bangladesh). The EB-MB football match also becomes a point of celebrating with fish as when East Bengal (EB) wins, Bangals would return home with a Hilsa. Ghotis would celebrate an MB win with some prawn curry.

Top: Daab Chingri (Prawn cooked in green coconuts) claimed to be a ghoti cuisine; Bottom: Shorshe Ilish (Hilsa in a mustard gravy), Bangal cuisine.


Food:

Bangals and Ghotis differ on their food habits too. Ghotis love their "Luchi-s" and prefer them in their breakfast. Bangals tend to prefer rice in their breakfast too.

Ghoti and Bangal cuisine differ by five oceans. Ghotis tend to prefer their dishes sweet, while Bangals use much more spice and much more green chillies than Ghotis (though Bangals of Borishal lineage love their vegetables somewhat sweet). Ghotis also tend to love several "tok"-s....that is fish and several forms of curry prepared in a sour gravy made with tamarind.
Ghotis can sell their gold for Aloo Posto (poppy seed and potato curry), and I know of several households that actually cooks their aloo posto everyday and can't have their lunch without it. In my opinion, Ghotis have taken cooking vegetables to an art form: especially, Mochar Ghonto
Shukto, Lau Bori ar Lau Chingri, etc. Ghotis tend to flavour their food with their forons (spices or seeds to temper the oil before cooking)

Bangals love their fish and meat. Their chochhori-s and several meat and fish curries will give you food amnesia.


Cultural Stereotypes

Bangals are often ridiculed as being erstwhile zamindars (feudal lords) in Bangladesh because a lot of them were actually landowners before they had to lose everything in the partition and move to a different region and start everything from scratch.

Ghotis on the other hand are often ridiculed for being aristocratic zamindars who'd hold moroger lorai (cock fights, no pun intended), beraler biye (wedding of cats) or payera orano (pigeon-flying) competition, or basically activities that waste money without any tangible returns. Ghotis also are stereotyped of re-running their bonedi (aristocratic) family lineage and what goes on and doesn't go on, what is allowed and what doesn't look good.

Bangals are seen as uncivilized, loud, uncouth, uncultured and unnecessary risk-takers by their Ghoti counterparts. Ghotis are seen as miserly, not clean enough, snobbish, having false sense of dignity and as idle people by the Bangals.

Cultural Traditions

Ghotis and Bangals differ on cultural traditions in weddings, such as Bangals have their "basi biye" (some wedding rituals the next day of wedding) while Ghotis don't have "basi biye".

Bangals also differ on their "bhai phnota" (brother's day of Bengalis) rituals, as well as lokhhi pujo. For Bangals, lokhhi pujo (the worship of Goddesss Lakshmi) happens on the fifth day after Durga Puja and it is tough to find a Bangal home where lokhhi puja is not held; for ghotis, not as much.

Shoni puja (the worship of the mythical figure Shani) is something that is done by Ghotis, and Bangals are not that enthusiast of this tradition. In Calcutta, almost every neighbourhood has a small "Shoni Mondir" (Temple of Shani) worship of which is held every Saturday.

Differences can also be gleaned from Shradhho (funeral) mantras and menus therein (Bengalis invite people and have a feast in funerals too).


Family Structure

Differences exist also in family structures as Bangals love to live in their joint families, and even when they have to move out from the joint family structure they prefer to maintain in close touch with their extended family. This feature probably emerged from the need to maintain unity in a different foreign land, and be supportive towards each other in times of crisis.

Ghoti families on the other hand, are marked by certain level of individuality. Ghotis have been urbanized since long back and the industrialism of Calcutta and colonial history have made them adopt a nuclear family structure and be more impersonal towards extended family and relatives in general.


Dialect

Ghotis tend to say nuchi, nonka and nebu for Luchi, (Puris ) Lonka (green chillies) and Lebu (lemons). Bangals would say khamu, jamu, kortasi, for khabo (will eat), jabo (will go) and korchhi (doing, will be doing) etc. Bangals also have differing dialects within themselves, based on which region they come from.

 

[extra terrestrial]

Original West Bengalis are those who didn't migrate from East Bengal to West Bengal during partition.

There are cultural differences between East Bengalis / later Bangladeshis and West Bengalis.

Don't believe me. Believe this poster.

https://www.quora.com/Bangla-Bengal...conflict-of-claiming-superiority-over-another


Koyel Bandyopadhyay, I study, research and know about ways of life
5k Views · Most Viewed Writer in Ethnic and Cultural Differences with 30+ answers

Region

People who came to West Bengal, India, from East Pakistan (today’s Bangladesh) are called Bangals. Ghotis are the (native) people of West Bengal, but then not all natives of west Bengal are called Ghotis.
Ghotis are particularly those people who were/are residents of districts like Hooghly, Howrah, Purba Medinipur, Paschim Medinipur, Burdwan, Bankura, Birbhum, etc. i.e. South Bengal and west of the Hooghly river.

Bangals and Ghotis differ on these 3 Fs.

Football: Bangals prefer East Bengal, Ghotis prefer Mohun Bagan. That's a general rule though exceptions exist. Based on which team wins, Bangals and Ghotis celebrate by eating their ethnic delicacies, which differ again. People get militant on this issue and I'm only understating facts here.

Fish: Ghotis tend to prefer sweet water fish like Carp (Rohu and Katla) while Bangals prefer a wide variety of fish, including their Shnutkis (salted and dried fish which are cooked with much fanfare and spices). On the other hand, Ghotis can't stand the smell of Shnutki-s.

Ghotis are a big fan of prawns and are often symbolized (by the Bangals of course) by the crustacean, which Bangals do not consider as fish (prawns are deemed as and called fish in Bengali) while upholding Hilsa (Ilish) as symbols of their ethnic identity. Since Ghotis also love Hilsa, the bigger bone of contention becomes which river produces the better Hilsa: the Ganges or the Padma (in Bangladesh). The EB-MB football match also becomes a point of celebrating with fish as when East Bengal (EB) wins, Bangals would return home with a Hilsa. Ghotis would celebrate an MB win with some prawn curry.

Top: Daab Chingri (Prawn cooked in green coconuts) claimed to be a ghoti cuisine; Bottom: Shorshe Ilish (Hilsa in a mustard gravy), Bangal cuisine.


Food:

Bangals and Ghotis differ on their food habits too. Ghotis love their "Luchi-s" and prefer them in their breakfast. Bangals tend to prefer rice in their breakfast too.

Ghoti and Bangal cuisine differ by five oceans. Ghotis tend to prefer their dishes sweet, while Bangals use much more spice and much more green chillies than Ghotis (though Bangals of Borishal lineage love their vegetables somewhat sweet). Ghotis also tend to love several "tok"-s....that is fish and several forms of curry prepared in a sour gravy made with tamarind.
Ghotis can sell their gold for Aloo Posto (poppy seed and potato curry), and I know of several households that actually cooks their aloo posto everyday and can't have their lunch without it. In my opinion, Ghotis have taken cooking vegetables to an art form: especially, Mochar Ghonto
Shukto, Lau Bori ar Lau Chingri, etc. Ghotis tend to flavour their food with their forons (spices or seeds to temper the oil before cooking)

Bangals love their fish and meat. Their chochhori-s and several meat and fish curries will give you food amnesia.


Cultural Stereotypes

Bangals are often ridiculed as being erstwhile zamindars (feudal lords) in Bangladesh because a lot of them were actually landowners before they had to lose everything in the partition and move to a different region and start everything from scratch.

Ghotis on the other hand are often ridiculed for being aristocratic zamindars who'd hold moroger lorai (cock fights, no pun intended), beraler biye (wedding of cats) or payera orano (pigeon-flying) competition, or basically activities that waste money without any tangible returns. Ghotis also are stereotyped of re-running their bonedi (aristocratic) family lineage and what goes on and doesn't go on, what is allowed and what doesn't look good.

Bangals are seen as uncivilized, loud, uncouth, uncultured and unnecessary risk-takers by their Ghoti counterparts. Ghotis are seen as miserly, not clean enough, snobbish, having false sense of dignity and as idle people by the Bangals.

Cultural Traditions

Ghotis and Bangals differ on cultural traditions in weddings, such as Bangals have their "basi biye" (some wedding rituals the next day of wedding) while Ghotis don't have "basi biye".

Bangals also differ on their "bhai phnota" (brother's day of Bengalis) rituals, as well as lokhhi pujo. For Bangals, lokhhi pujo (the worship of Goddesss Lakshmi) happens on the fifth day after Durga Puja and it is tough to find a Bangal home where lokhhi puja is not held; for ghotis, not as much.

Shoni puja (the worship of the mythical figure Shani) is something that is done by Ghotis, and Bangals are not that enthusiast of this tradition. In Calcutta, almost every neighbourhood has a small "Shoni Mondir" (Temple of Shani) worship of which is held every Saturday.

Differences can also be gleaned from Shradhho (funeral) mantras and menus therein (Bengalis invite people and have a feast in funerals too).


Family Structure

Differences exist also in family structures as Bangals love to live in their joint families, and even when they have to move out from the joint family structure they prefer to maintain in close touch with their extended family. This feature probably emerged from the need to maintain unity in a different foreign land, and be supportive towards each other in times of crisis.

Ghoti families on the other hand, are marked by certain level of individuality. Ghotis have been urbanized since long back and the industrialism of Calcutta and colonial history have made them adopt a nuclear family structure and be more impersonal towards extended family and relatives in general.


Dialect

Ghotis tend to say nuchi, nonka and nebu for Luchi, (Puris ) Lonka (green chillies) and Lebu (lemons). Bangals would say khamu, jamu, kortasi, for khabo (will eat), jabo (will go) and korchhi (doing, will be doing) etc. Bangals also have differing dialects within themselves, based on which region they come from.

Good... you seem to know a lot about West Bengal...

 

[mb444]

Quick question, being a Pakistani, just found the thread to be intriguing, what was the song about, how was its in essence anti muslim , did they literally bash muslims or islam in it ?

Tagores was part of the hindu servant class who gained prominence following rise of the east India company and the subsequent collusion of these Hindus with the British to destroy the existing Muslim nobity and power structure.

The English set up Calcutta and assisted their puppets and you had a period in the late 19th and early 20th century when this prior servant class having replaced the Muslim nobility via the sunset tax rules etc consolidated their position through certain level of intellectual persuit in literature. It was not a revival in Bengali culture as they claimed but rather an appropriation of and assault against Muslim Bengali culture. Calcutta has never been the centre of Bengali culture and whatever status it ever achieved is solely limited to Hindus. Muslim reaction to this is the creation of the Muslim league in Dhaka.

You will have hindutva turds and false flaggers coming up with crap like Bengali accent of a bunch of fishermen from culcutta somehow being the standard bearer of Bangla ignoring centuries of sultanate periods of Bengal.

1905 separation of Bengal is ultimately economic in its reasoning .... The new Hindu inteligencias opposition to it was rooted in trying to not lose its economic position and Muslim interest lay in opposing the solidification of the new Hindu supremist order. There lay the beginning that creates Pakistan and then Bangladesh.

Without Bangladesh WB is nothing but an irrelevant adjunct to the rest of India....... No one cares what they do and that is why you see the usual hindutva turds and false flaggers being so animated.

 

[bluesky]

The song was written in protest of 1905 bengal division act. It talks about Bengali nationalism.

Please when someone asks a question, try to be a little elaborate. Does he have to know about 1905 and such things?

 

[bluesky]

Tagores was part of the hindu servant class

Can I ask where did you get this derogatory information. Are you sure you have made a correct statement, or it is meant to insult him by your remarks. I will wait for a plausible answer.

 

[Al-zakir]

My Bengal of Gold (Precious),
I love you.
Forever your skies, your air set my heart in tune As if it were a flute.
In spring, O mother mine, the fragrance from your mango groves Makes me wild with joy
Ah, what a thrill!
In autumn, O mother mine,
In the full blossomed paddy fields
I have seen spread all over sweet smiles
Ah, what a beauty, what shades, what an affection And what a tenderness!
What a quilt have you spread at the feet of Banyan trees And along the banks of rivers!
O mother mine, words from your lips
Are like nectar to my ears.
Ah, what a thrill!
If sadness, O mother mine, casts a gloom on your face, my eyes are filled with tears!

.

Zameen Asmaan and everything in between belongs to Allah (SWT). La hawla wala quwwata illa billah.

 

[livingdead]

Zameen Asmaan and everything in between belongs to Allah (SWT). La hawla wala quwwata illa billah.

allah I love you would have been short and sweet.. just like god save the queen..

 

[bluesky]

Most of the kolkata movie actors actresses directors singers have their roots in east bengal. Ask the idiot to explain the reason.

To the Indians that is not the issue. Issue is all those actors are high caste Hindus, but the rest of the people who are majority Muslims in BD are a group of ONLY low caste Hindu converts. This is what the Indians propagate of us in the sense that this will make us smaller in front of Hindu Devta from India, when in reality, all these Indian posters themselves are the Dalits of India, because more than 90% Indians themselves are low caste Hindus.

 

[kobiraaz]

Zameen Asmaan and everything in between belongs to Allah (SWT). La hawla wala quwwata illa billah.

You are paranoid. So if I say The desert of Saudi Arabia is very hot then It is shirk because The desert belongs to God but not Saudi Arabia? This is not islam this is just crazy..