We won't interfere in Kashmir imbroglio: US

[jetLi]

US is the biggest cheater. I think they will still sell weapons to india

If the Karshmir under war.

 

[wtf]

If they fled the scene than they aren't real Kashmiri? They don't love the land. They don't count.

And in one swoop, Al-Zakir solves both Kashmir and Palestinian disputes! (Oh and the one of Bangla immigration into India and Afghanis in Pakistan and ...)

 

[Gabbar]

According Al-Zkir, millions of Afganies living in Pakistan are not real Afganies. They left Afganistan to save thier and thier families lives.

Al-Zkir you are a senior member and statements like that they are not real Kashmiries, doesn't suit you. May be to a freshy, not you man.

 

[Al-zakir]

Al-Zkir you are a senior member and statements like that they are not real Kashmiries, doesn't suit you. May be to a freshy, not you man.

learn how to write people name with correct spelling...

Oh man I guess I hurt your sensitive feeling. Did I not?

The reason I said, they aren't real kashmiri because the fact that about 5 laks Indian army occupied Kashmir for last 60 years with out mercy. Kashmiri Muslim has been living in hell what supposed to be heaven on earth. Indian army brought devastation to those people yet they haven't fled the area because they rather died and fight for the land they love so much. This what we call "Jihad".

 

[Al-zakir]

they fled their lands because their muslim neighbors wanted them out...and wanted the non-muslims killed if they stayed...sitting in new jersey...your opinion doesnt count!
even the kashmiri hardliners admit pushing out kashmiri pandits was a blunder....they have apologised to the pandits who refuse to move back to kashmir!go study something about the plight of the kashmiri pandits before you type your nest post

Sure my opinion don't count but how about this Indian who wrote some thing truth about cunning pundits. Read following article, investigate than come and advise me.

On India : Displaced Kashmiri Pundits (DKPs), the most cunning and scheming people on earth.

Monday March 09 2009 18:48:37 PM BDT

By Hem Raj Jain, India

Ref: - (i)- India uses DKPs merely as stick to beat Pakistan with.

(ii)- Shiv Sena still prepared to help DKPs.

(iii)- Obama ought to keep it in view before deciding any policy on Kashmir solution.


This refers to permanent complaint of DKPs from different forums that 1.5 million of them are refugees in their own country as they left Kashmir valley in nineties and onwards in the face of Muslim fundamentalist terrorism in valley. The latest such complaint was heard from a Kashmiri Pundit lady (during almost three hours address and question answer session of Pakistan’s ex-President Musharraf to a prominent T.V. Channel of India on Mach 7, 2009 evening).

But very few people know that these DKPs are simply not interested in going back to J&K, even if they are assured of their security and
restoration of their lost properties. Rather these DKPs are allowing Government of India to use them merely as stick to beat Pakistan
(which, even as per Musharraf during said T.V. session, is responsible for Muslim militancy in J&K in the aftermath of Afghanistan war of
eighties, when mujahidins free from Afghanistan were diverted to Kashmir). This is evident from the following:-

(1)- In 2002 Shiv Sena (having its registered office at Sena Bhavan,Dadar Mumbai) participated in a meeting with Kashmiri Samiti President
Sunil Shakdar and other members of its executive body at Kashmiri Bhavan, Amar Colony, Lajpat Nagar, New Delhi where -

(2)- Shiv Sena offered to send 5,00,000 (five hundred thousand) Shiv Sainiks (male & female) along with 5,00,000 DKPs (who reportedly
wanted to go back to Kashmir valley) on one to one basis till DKPs feel secured to live in Kashmir valley on their own.

(3)- These 5,00,000 Shiv Sainiks though were not to be a financial burden on rehabilitated DKPs but it was expected from DKPs that they would
extend every possible non-monetary help, assistance & support in making livelihood in Kashmir valley easy for these Shiv Sainiks.

(4)- For this program a study team consisting of equal number of Shiv Sainiks and DKPs was supposed to go in Kashmir valley. Therefore 20
Shiv Sena office bearers participated in this 2002 meeting at Kashmiri Bhavan, with 20 members (mostly from executive body) of Kashmiri
Samiti.

(5)- But Kashmiri Samiti later on backed out from this proposal and program.

(6)- Shiv Sena still stands by this program and 5,00,000 Shiv Sainiks are still prepared to go along with DKPs in Kashmir valley.

(7)- Shiv Sena does not believe in giving political sermons while sitting at Delhi but believes in solving this problem by going in the
field and talking to other citizens of Kashmir valley so that these Hindu DKPs may live peacefully & harmoniously with Muslim majority
population of Kashmir valley.

(8)- Here it is in context to add that during this 2002 meeting, in reply to Kashmiri Samiti’s query (that what is the guarantee that
these rehabilitated DKPs will not be attacked and killed in Kashmir by terrorists), Shiv Sena told that only guarantee is that the
accompanying Shiv Sainik will lay down his life before such DKPs is killed.

(9)- But the way DKPs backed out in 2002 and the way Government of India is supporting DKPs financially and economically, the Shiv Sena
suspects that the DKPs have clearly developed a vested interest in remaining out of Kashmir valley as refugees.

(10)- If DKPs believe that Shiv Sena is wrong in this inference then even now let these DKPs go with Shiv Sena to Kashmir valley and then
only (if Shiv Sena fails in its commitment) DKPs should air their so called grievances and even such sweeping statements by some DKPs
about the alleged impotence of entire Indian political class.

(11)- Therefore, for God sake if there is a problem of Displaced Kashmiri Pundits (DKPs) who want to go back to Kashmir valley but
cannot, due to violence by terrorists then (whether Sunil Shakdar of Kashmiri Samiti or not) Shiv Sena can still help them by sending equal
number of 5,00,000 Shiv Sainiks (both male & female) on one to one basis in Kashmir valley (without putting any financial burden on these
DKPs) in order to get DKPs rehabilitated and to get their evacuee properties restored back.

(12)- But if there is no problem of DKPs and if Kashmiri Pundits are quite satisfied with what India is doing in Kashmir then this bluff of
DKPs should be called off where they are making huge hue & cry and lamenting day in and day out, in media, at various forums, political
demonstrations etc. that they are refugee in their own country, no body helps them etc. etc.

(13)- Here it is pertinent to add that the above mentioned ought to be kept in view before Obama administration (which is reportedly
committed to find an early Kashmir solution) chalks out its foreign policy regarding south Asia especially about Indo * Pak relations in
context of Kashmir solution.
Hem Raj Jain
[Shiv Sena candidate, 1998 Parliamentary elections from Kota, Rajasthan]
INDIA

 

[Gabbar]

Oh man I guess I hurt your sensitive feeling. Did I not?

The reason I said, they aren't real kashmiri because the fact that about 5 laks Indian army occupied Kashmir for last 60 years with out mercy. Kashmiri Muslim has been living in hell what supposed to be heaven on earth. Indian army brought devastation to those people yet they haven't fled the area because they rather died and fight for the land they love so much. This what we call "Jihad".

Well kind of you did. All of those people what went through muslims, hindus and sikhs. They left because of the safety of thier families. Kind of discusting statement from your part. Kashmiries are indeed living in hell due to indian and pakistani politics but why do you think kashmiries are only muslims. Hindus, Sikhs and budhinst can't be kashmiries?

I asked you a question that why you live in US? Why aren't you in BD for "JIHAD" against poverty? You dont love you country? Why millions of Afganies are in Pakistan? Why dont they wage war against Taliban or terrorists? It's hypocrate on your part.

 

[Gabbar]

Sure my opinion don't count but how about this Indian who wrote some thing truth about cunning pundits. Read following article, investigate than come and advise me.

First of please provide link!!!

Second of all so what? Regardless of where they living now they are still from kashmir and you can't pick and choose who can't and can vote. You live in US or A and you know how voting works. Many US citizens live in Canada and they only go back or send their votes by mail during election but still want to live in Canada. Thier vote counts.

 

[Al-zakir]

I asked you a question that why you live in US? Why aren't you in BD for "JIHAD" against poverty? You dont love you country? Why millions of Afganies are in Pakistan? Why dont they wage war against Taliban or terrorists? It's hypocrate on your part.

Most of the investment comes to your country are from Indian who live over sea. Their contribution to your country's development is immense. I hope you know that.

now with that in mind.
How am I a hippocrate? I do live in USA that doesn't mean I have less love for BD. I contribute to poverty alleviation by living in USA. That really my "Jihad" to help the poor and needy. My family have a good investment in BD where many are working to support their family. I send money to poor to start small business on at a time and I go their every year.

First of please provide link!!!

Forget the link. How about the content. Is their any truth to it? I am sure there are. The guy who wrote it an Indian not Pakistani or Bangladeshi.

So what do you do for those cunning people who use their emotion for political purpose. yeah my assumption about they being not true Kashmiri is correct so therefor I stand tall with it.

 

[Al-zakir]

And in one swoop, Al-Zakir solves both Kashmir and Palestinian disputes! (Oh and the one of Bangla immigration into India and and ...)

Yeah I heard that lame duck excuse before as India is heaven of wealth. Bro you guys have more people living under poverty line than entire population of Bangladesh, Pakistan and Afghanistan combined.
Last time I checked its India that urges it's people to eat *** to fight hunger which is unheard of in Bangladesh.

Afghanis in Pakistan

How is it your concern. It's between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

 

[Gabbar]

How am I a hippocrate? I do live in USA that doesn't mean I have less love for BD.

You are contradicting your own statement about Kashmiries who dont live in Kashmir due to various reasons.

I contribute to poverty alleviation by living in USA. That really my "Jihad" to help the poor and needy. My family have a good investment in BD where many are working to support their family. I send money to poor to start small business on at a time and I go their every year.

Good for you and I hope you keep helping poor people.

Forget the link. How about the content. Is their any truth to it? I am sure there are. The guy who wrote it an Indian not Pakistani or Bangladeshi.

So what do you do for those cunning people who use their emotion for political purpose. yeah my assumption about they being not true Kashmiri is correct so therefor I stand tall with it.

How do I know it's not somebody's blog and how credible this is. Well, I guess we agree to disagree then on your statement about true kashmires.

 

[Gabbar]

Al-zakir;338543]Yeah I heard that lame duck excuse before as India is heaven of wealth. Bro you guys have more people living under poverty line than entire population of Bangladesh, Pakistan and Afghanistan combined.
Last time I checked its India that urges it's people to eat *** to fight hunger which is unheard of in Bangladesh.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/suggestions-discussions/23824-india-poor.html

How is it your concern. It's between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

This is related to situation. Same situation, people leaving thier homeland to be safe and survive.

 

[Al-zakir]

http://www.defence.pk/forums/suggestions-discussions/23824-india-poor.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/suggest...ndia-poor.html

I wouldn't bring it up if your brother wtc spared me from the misery. Some time some your brothers forget the reality of SA because they fantasize Bollywood life.

This is related to situation. Same situation, people leaving thier homeland to be safe and survive.

I guess those Muslim Kashmiri love their home land little more than rest of us because they chose to take a bullet from your beloved army rather than fled the region. Those pundits left the region even though your same army gave them extra protection unlike those innocents Muslim. I guess pundits life is more valuable to Indian army than Muslim. Isn't it Gabbar ........???

 

[Nihat]

You just tell me one thing Al-Zakir.

You're sleeping in your home , it's 2 AM in the morning when your front door breaks open and you hear noises of 3 - 4 people throwing kitchen utensils all over the place , once you get up in shock and switch on the lights you see that 3 people with covered masks and armed with automatic assault rifles and holding your wife to gun point and 2 little daughters have knives on their throat.

In this position the masked militants lecture you for one hour on the virtues of Azad Kashmir , Jihad , being a Kafir , Kashmir being a land of pure Muslims.

Then they threaten to slaughter you and give the most miserable death to your family if you don't leave in 10 days.

Tell me honestly , what would you have done - gone to the police and taken a risk on your life or fled the region for a safer life in B'lore , Mumbai or Delhi.

This is exactly the choice my father's friend Mr. Col was given in Gulmerg and he came here to Delhi and for fear of living a miserable life and so did my girlfriends family whose name is Ibriz (yes , a Muslim)

The Indian Army did not go there to party , the terrorism started first and still continues and hence the army is there , the day infiltration stops , the army will gradually recede and so will the special laws.

Point of the story being Mr. Zakir , if it has not happened to you - then you should refrain from spewing garbage on wether Kashmir is the home of Pundits or not.




Coming back to topic now , the US very well knows that India is never giving up Kashmir and hence sees no merit in Interfering in the sensitive Internal affairs of a nation who it wants it have as an ally in the future , Pakistans faith in US is fast receding and the day US pulls out of Afghanistan it would not give a damn regarding Kashmir , Unkil only knows it's own intrests.

After that It's up to India and Pak either to work together or for Infiltration to continue and IA continuing to kill them and throw their miserable bodies across the LoC.

 

[messenger]

Indians always brag about how they free the people of East Pakistan from tyranny of West Pakistan than why not ask people of Kashmir to decide their fate???

Let them vote under international supervision to settle this disputed issue once for all if Kashmiri would like stay with India or be part with Pakistan or even separate homeland?

What say Indians????

go and read about the indo-pak war of 1962 . pakistanis expected that kashmiris will support them but we all know what happened .

 

[messenger]

Yeah I heard that lame duck excuse before as India is heaven of wealth. Bro you guys have more people living under poverty line than entire population of Bangladesh, Pakistan and Afghanistan combined.
Last time I checked its India that urges it's people to eat *** to fight hunger which is unheard of in Bangladesh..

when you compare india and BD talk in % of population then im afraid you will see a different piture .

mister america if you would have lived in your country for some more time you would have realized that the situation is even worse in bangladesh .

i admit there is a lot of poverty in india but if you visit india you will realize how many povert allevation schemes are running , yes its true that some of them have failed but we are trying our level best .