We need to talk about Indians and their "fakeness" in regards to Turkey, Islam, Japan and the West

[Black Vigo]

I see a good thing in this fiasco is that it will open up eyes of Pakistanis in Pakistan. They are unaware of the realities of the world e.g. they think Arabs will accept them with open arms just for being Muslims.
It makes me cringe everytime Pakistanis brag about so called brotherhood with Turks. On what basis is that when we don't share anything including religious values with them? Most Turks will rather die than live under Pakistani religious mindset and Pakistanis will not even consider them Muslims.

These events will teach them the hard way how real world works.

Agreed Pakistanis need to stop being delusional and open their eyes they are not that well liked as they think they are

 

[Chopchop]

This thread was supposed to be about the prolific capabilities of Indian troll army on the web. Instead it has degraded to GDP, IQ and acrimony between Turkey and Pakistan.

Please stick to topic guys. It was fun in the first page at least

It is basically how most threads here devolve.
Thread starter is worried about the influence Indian trolls exert. Despite the wrong examples, he puts forth his point.
But instead of actually discussing the topic, we have the usual pity petty spat out.

 

[dBSPL]

(quoted tweet)
"Afghans who gathered in Eminönü and unfurled the Afghanistan flag shouted, "This is not Eminönü, here is (new) Afghanistan."
Those bastards who confuse racism with defending the homeland should watch this video. The country is lost. Homeland!"
(main tweet)
"Such videos are produced by intelligence services to provoke. Don't be fooled! In such a psychological environment where the hosts are reactive towards immigrants, a foreigner must be either retarded or highly intelligent (conscious) to shoot and share this video."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1521774900427509761

Afghans have been in our country for years, and so have Pakistanis. Especially Uzbek/Turkmen Afghans have been in economic life for a long time. What happened that all of a sudden, such provocations started to appear like rain? Whatever you think, start with this question.

 

[dBSPL]

Istanbul Governorship;

Every foreign national in our city is not an asylum seeker or refugee, but comes to our country and returns as a tourist.

The number of tourists who came in March increased by 112% compared to the previous year and reached 1,156,400, and in the first quarter of this year, it reached 2,904,460.

1.305.907 foreigners legally reside in our province.

542.054 of them are Syrians under temporary protection,
763,262 of them are immigrants who have entered legally and have obtained a residence permit, from all over the world.

Last year, 23,072 irregular migrants were deported from Istanbul

from January to May 3, 2022;
11,936 of them are Afghanistan,
A total of 25,644 irregular migrants were prosecuted, of which 2,853 were Pakistani nationals.

8,773 of these foreigners were deported from Istanbul to their countries. 12,684 of them were referred to removal centres.

Now I ask why this social allergy in the society is channeled towards Pakistan?

In fact, everyone knows the answer, but some of us refuse to leave the comfort zone in their mindset, and dont wanna see the structure and aims behind this operation.

 

[Black Vigo]

What happened that all of a sudden, such provocations started to appear like rain? Whatever you think, start with this question.

You make a good point here and now that you mention it
It does look like foreign intelligence agencies want to create chaos inside Turkey

Hopefully this foreign conspiracy doesn't succeed in Turkey (Unlike Pakistan)

 

[HydraChess]

Don't take everyone as a fool here.

Indians are well known in the western world to be the most incapable, unprofessional people who can only succeed by swarming the place.

Highest earning ethnic group in USA

List of ethnic groups in the United States by household income - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

#1 Indian

Also, look at the share of employees by ethnicity in Microsoft: https://query.prod.cms.rt.microsoft.com/cms/api/am/binary/RE4aqv1
It has 52% Ethnic whites and 33% Asians. Now Asians can be any type of asian including Japanese, Chinese etc etc etc. Assuming Asian Indians make up of 17% of workforce and rest asians (Chinese, Japanese, Pakistani etc) make up other 16%, how come Asian Indians are able to swarm the company with 17% numbers?


Highest paid ethnic group in UK
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48919813
#2 Indian

British Indians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

British Pakistanis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

For the record, 1.17 million people in UK identify themselves as ethnic Pakistani and 1.4 as ethnic Indians.

I am sure Pakistani should be equally capable to "swarm the place" given their population in UK. So why dont Pakistani improve their income by "swarming the place". They do have the numbers.


Also, I am yet to see a single reference or source or fact from Pakistanis here. And then they claim that Indians have lower IQ than them or making you people a fool.

 

[RescueRanger]

My friend I don't blame you or your countrymen for a bad perception of Pakistani people because unfortunately some idiots from our country have it really easy to travel abroad and ruin the image of every Pakistani (Which we don't deserve because my country deserves a lot better)


Secondly you don't have to go on the defensive it's a fact I've read tweets on twitter from Turks who openly hate Pakistan and Pakistanis

https://twitter.com/x/status/1520736176180801537

https://twitter.com/x/status/1521430237082492928

https://twitter.com/x/status/1520840371672338432

https://twitter.com/x/status/1521096458803556354

A turk went as far to translate what he/she wanted to say in Urdu

https://twitter.com/x/status/1521175650014568448

I used to have a positive view of Turkish people but thankfully recent events opened my eyes

Aur dhkeo ertagul.

 

[SQ8]

Lately content on PDF has degraded in quality from annoying to downright trash. Now this is a valuable thread but once more i find the usual culprits spreading their hyperbole in the replies.

If you have nothing sensible to add to the discussion just read it and be on your merry way.

As for disinformation and social media - my friend @OP - back in 2011 the former Add. DG of FIA cyber wing had propositioned to establish a full time “farm” for the is counter activity in the old software park - sadly the government had other priorities at the time.

One senior officer was quoted as saying “what threat to kids in cyber cafe’s pose to internal and foreign security”.

Oh well as the French say “c'est la vie”.

Pakistan will not be fixed until the boomer generation is dead and Gen X is pushing retirement. Unfortunately

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Pakistan will not be fixed until the boomer generation is dead and Gen X is pushing retirement. Unfortunately

You're old af too

 

[Surya 1]

We all know about the Indian disinformation campaign that spread through the western world, in particular Europe & Canada.

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Imran Khan further elaborated on this while he was PM.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1337040805836578831

We also know about the vast amounts of lobbying that Indian lobby does in the US and the big effects it has on America's foreign policy towards Pakistan.

But, something that is not often talked about, is the vast amount of fake Indian "tweets" & other social media posts. This might sound like something not worth the effort, but, take into consideration the recent and current ongoing issue in Turkey & the migrant problem.

Take a look at this particular Tweet from a Turkish source that labels itself as "Doğru, ilkeli, tarafsız haber." or "Accurate, principled, unbiased news." It then goes on to quote a Tweet from the Twitter user "@Ajrishna" - clearly an Indian usertag, stating the following:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1507466622348447749

Again, social media disinformation campaign is often overlooked by government and security officials almost everywhere. But, in this world and especially now - in this modern time and situation - social media disinformation & fake news is the biggest tool for organization, countries, groups, agencies and other ill-willed dominions to take over the vast opinions of citizens in the country of target.

In that tweet that is quoted above, if you were to take a further look at the comments, quotes & replies you would realize that the vast majority of Turkish citizens who interacted with that tweet (and similar to it) believed it to be an authentic tweet. They considered it to be made from a "Pakistani living in Turkey", something that is simply not accurate or true. Indians have taken advantage of the situation and struck with their decietful tactics - something I will eloborate on further.

The Turkish police investigation team had called out the above disinformation & fake news campaign in the below Tweet. This translates into, "Virtual patrol activities are carried out on a 24/7 basis on the internet for the purpose of combating crimes and criminals, within the framework of the authority given by the laws by the General Directorate of Security, Department of Combating Cyber Crimes. Within the scope of the virtual patrol activities carried out, it was observed that disinformation content was shared in order to cause confusion in our country by pretending to be Afghan-Pakistani accounts with provocative images that can be easily obtained from open sources on social media platforms, and necessary investigations were started. This and similar operation accounts will not be allowed. It is announced to the public with respect."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1521463615798358016

As well as a prominent Turkish "anti-migrant" user below:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1521626746054918147

Another example of these type of disinformation comes in regards to Pakistan & Russia from an Indian-based Twitter account. It goes by the Twitter handle "@the_fauxy". This Twitter account is based in India and has openly spread lies against Pakistan & Muslims in particular. Ironically, it is not labelled "Indian-based" as it would be if it was from Russia, China or another western rival. It has been allowed to run.

Some of the Tweets in question are one that is pinned on the top of the page:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498301067557175303

A fake news article that states that, "Pakistan refused to pay Russian loans & imposed sanctions on Russia". This was widely circled in Japan and, just like with Turkish users, many Japanese users fell for its lies as the below Tweet calls out:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1499030278676750340

This is not an uncommon unoccurance. India has a population of nearly 1.4 Billion people, out of which 1.094 billion (almost 80%) are Hindus along with the million upon millions of Indians living outside of India (a population big enough to form the 25th biggest country). Most of these peope have a pro-RSS and India Rashtra (greater India) ideology in which they claim all of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Indonesia, Singapore, the Maldives, Sri Lanka, Malaysia, and parts of China & Myanmar amongst other territories and states. The majority of these people are young (below 35) and own a phone or device in which they can access social media. In the next 5 years, the children population of India would grow into their teenage age and the trend just continues on and on (more hands with access to fake news spreading).

I don't have time to explain the vast amounts of anger the disinformation campaign and fake news by Indian trolls and, hiddenly, their intelligence agencies have caused elsewhere; particularly in the Arab & Muslim world who have seen through their anti-Islam trends. Here are some articles that explains it in detail:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/4/30/why-arabs-are-speaking-out-against-islamophobia-in-india

https://theprint.in/opinion/pov/ara...-hating-overseas-indians-islamophobia/416758/ (Indian article)

How an anti-Muslim influence operation spread on Indian social media

An anti-Muslim influence network in India hijacked recent conversations around Israel and Palestine.

firstdraftnews.org

Working for India or against Islam? Islamophobia in Indian American...

An increasing number of articles on the Indian lobby in Washington have been published in the past 15 years, by the Indian, the American and the Pakistani press. This period coincides with two majo...

journals.openedition.org

Most anti Islam posts on Twitter are from India and made by Indian users.

A trend where Indian Twitter users post "Meanwhile in Turkey" and show Pakistani migrants in Turkey has gained traction and is based out of an Indian intelligence operation.

One thing that the world doesn't understand at large is that, we, as humans, have the power to conceal. To conceal our thoughts from one another. To lie. To spread disinformation with concealled means. Social media has given a platform to amplify such traits.

As Pakistanis & as Muslims in particular, we are thought to avoid lying, to avoid concealling & spreading such disinformation. But, some people, particularly those who follow the RSS ideology in India, do not share this mindset. They are the biggest source of disinformation out of any current population on earth as per the statistics and they are not ashamed to do it.

That is why most of the world scammers are also from India and the India diaspora (in the US, Canada, Australia, England and elsewhere) - Youtube videos exposing such scams are big and have gathered millions upon millions of views, and even contain videos of Indians openly laughing at elderly who they are scamming - and, in the comment sections, you can see the digust and anguish the western audience has towards the "Indian mindset". But, people are mostly surprised that someone could stoop as low as that. Something that is unimaginable at large in most societies.

Just like the citizens of Turkey, Japan, and the west, human beings easily boil up all their emotions at the most vulernable targets when they see the disinformation presented to them as shown above. The frustration is then taken out against those who did not have anything to do with the problem. Indians who carry this hateful ideology tend to use the concealed & analytical parts of their brains in the most decietful way - to spread lies and to create strife and hatred in societies.

This is why we must take action. Imran Khan was the only one to voice concern and take action against this, and, I believe, if he was to return, he would once again take action against this at large if we voiced our concerns.

Rather than focusing on Pakistan's economy, poor IK focused on drawing the world's attention on India. Nobody even cared to pay attention to his chorus. He called Modi 6 time on phone but Modi didn't respond. He waited for Bidden's call for a long time but didn't receive even a courtesy call from Bidden. In the same line, many in Pakistan made India and Hindu bashing his mission and ended up being irrelevant and got ridiculed.

 

[SQ8]

You're old af too

If you feel old in your 30s then you need to reevaluate your lifestyle choices. I just went hiking for 10 miles , workout daily and eat moderately.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Rather than focusing on Pakistan's economy, poor IK focused on drawing the world's attention on India. Nobody even cared to pay attention to his chorus. He called Modi 6 time on phone but Modi didn't respond. He waited for Bidden's call for a long time but didn't receive even a courtesy call from Bidden. In the same line, many in Pakistan made India and Hindu bashing his mission and ended up being irrelevant and got ridiculed.

IK tried to encourage dialog with india for the sake of the region as he thought you weren't animals, but alas he was wrong.

If you feel old in your 30s then you need to reevaluate your lifestyle choices. I just went hiking for 10 miles , workout daily and eat moderately.

If you generalize people by generation/age, then you too will be a 'boomer' to somebody some day. Age is just a number. Your 10 mile hike emphasizes my point.

 

[Surya 1]

IK tried to encourage dialog with india for the sake of the region as he thought you weren't animals, but alas he was wrong.

Nobody responded him becaused every body knew that he is an apponinted puppet habing no control over any policy. Rightly everyone ignored him.

 

[HydraChess]

Please do show related evidence showing otherwise.

Here is a paper which argues against veracity of Lynn's work.

Wayback Machine

In short it finds :
1. Richard Lynn et al did "inappropriate use and interpretations of statistical instruments".
2. Richard Lynn did not have IQ for all the countries measured directly and only had data for 81 of 185 countries they study. Rest they extrapolated from things like "Racial groups" --which they did not even explain properly. I mean many people here argue that Indians and Pakistani are of different racial groups yet Lynn's work treat them as same racial group.
3. Their model is not complex enough to model realities of nations and population at large.

Hence all the websites that cite IQ by nationality tend to be incorrect because almost all of them pick their data from Richard Lynn's work.

Ok so show us recent studies that India’s IQ is higher.

I never even claimed that. On average what is the IQ of India and Pakistan? I don't know. All I remarked (rather sarcastically) was this :

But when it comes to occupying top position in west, very few Pakistanis exist.

I guess, high IQ does not even exist anywhere in Pakistanis. Right? Migrants or otherwise.

in response to the poster who originally quipped about IQ

that naturally comes when you make up 17% of the world population
- in fact its underperforming but I guess with the near mentally challenged IQ level of average Indians probably not...

I see a good thing in this fiasco is that it will open up eyes of Pakistanis in Pakistan. They are unaware of the realities of the world e.g. they think Arabs will accept them with open arms just for being Muslims.
It makes me cringe everytime Pakistanis brag about so called brotherhood with Turks. On what basis is that when we don't share anything including religious values with them? Most Turks will rather die than live under Pakistani religious mindset and Pakistanis will not even consider them Muslims.

These events will teach them the hard way how real world works.

"Closest" people to Pakistan will be from Indian Punjab, Harayana, Delhi, Jammu and Kashmir and western UP.

Turkish, Arabs only share the religion with you. There is much much more to people than that.

Lastly, Arabs and Turks are richer than Indians and Pakistani so that amounts to a certain degree of dislike. Similar things happened with Chinese until they become rich.

 

[Black Vigo]

Aur dhkeo ertagul.

I never watched Ertugul only heard about it from obsessed Pakistanis lol