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We need more J-10Bs

on the other hand with this WoT in ur background.... due u ppl think that ur economy will come on track even in next 10 years..... For Pakistan the Need of the Hour is STABILITY.. in terms of International Geo-politics as well as Domestic Politics..

i hope you will agree with my harsh reality in previous post as i agree with yours,,
sadly enough but it for us STABILITY is really the need of hour, specially wiht the media propaganda campaign in full swing!!

regards!
 
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So far, J-10A and J-10B have not been tested in actual combat. That is the key issue, but also a potential loophole.

not really,sir!
During a chinese military operation, 2 J10A had once defeated 4 Su-27, am i right?
Regards~~~~~~~:cheesy:
 
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Mods Please change the topic title. We don't have any J1-0B yet so more are out of question.
 
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wel dear after looking at DRDO performance and the mess they have created of an average fourth generation plane, the LCA, do you stil beleive that DRDO is going to deleiver a fifth generation plane in time (if ever) and become the only second nation to produce a fifth generation plane!!
i am sorry for being harsh but it relly is living in fools paradise...
sorry again!!

regards!

Dear arsalanaslam, If u had taken the pain to see the post of RameeX and maverick then u get the point tht way I said so.... Kindly see maverick's post and also read wht Rameex is saying..... maverick Himself said tht Hope in future LCA will able to make it then it will get inducted ...... No body is talking abt DRDO here.....

And yes .... I am 100% shore tht in future LCA will fly... because of ToT clause in MRCA Deal.... and even if tht also not work out.. then still doors are open for us to get best plane.....Money is not an issue all here.
 
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And yes .... I am 100% shore tht in future LCA will fly... because of ToT clause in MRCA Deal.... and even if tht also not work out.. then still doors are open for us to get best plane.....Money is not an issue all here.

This is confession that India is still far from designing and making an indigenous plane.
 
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This is confession that India is still far from designing and making an indigenous plane.

My dear sir, I should first let you know that LCA is not the first jet we are developing indigenously .... HAL has developed aircrafts since 1960's, The perfect example would be # Marut Mk.1 and Marut Mk.1T
To all those who think LCA is a failure, its not.... We need an engine with 90+kn and Kaveri could only produe 70... now That the kaveri is finished and is getting fixed in IL 76 along with other 3 foreign engine to see Kaveris capacity....

Now India is not so good developing new generation fighter aircrafts like Lokheed martin and Sukhois... But We have our tecnologies being researched , Let me ask you, are there any indigenous researches happening in pakistan?
 
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This is confession that India is still far from designing and making an indigenous plane.
Hindustan Aeronautics Limited
International deals
HAL Dhruv helicopters of the Ecuadorian Air Force in 2008.
An IAF BAe Hawk being license-produced at the HAL Hawk production facility in Bangalore.

* The US$10 billion fifth-generation fighter jet program with the Sukhoi Corporation of Russia.

* US$1 billion contract to manufacture aircraft parts for Boeing.

* Multi-role transport aircraft project with Ilyushin of Russia worth US$600 million.

* 120 RD-33MK turbofan engines to be manufactured for MiG-29K by HAL for US$250 million.

* Contract to manufacture 1,000 TPE331 aircraft engines for Honeywell worth US$200,000 each (estimates put total value of deal at US$200 million).

* US$120 million deal to manufacture Dornier 228 for RUAG of Switzerland.

* Manufacture of aircraft parts for Airbus Industries worth US$150 million.

* US$100 million contract to export composite materials to Israel Aircraft Industries.

* US$65 million joint-research facility with Honeywell and planned production of Garrett TPE331 engines.

* US$50.7 million contract to supply Advanced Light Helicopter to Ecuadorian Air Force.
HAL will also open a maintenance base in the country.

* US$30 million contract to supply avionics for Malaysian Su-30MKM.

* US$20 million contract to supply ambulance version of HAL Dhruv to Peru.

* Contract of 3 HAL Dhruv helicopters from Turkey worth US$20 million.

* US$10 million order from Namibia for HAL Chetak and Cheetah helicopters.

* Supply of HAL Dhruv helicopters to Mauritius' National Police in a deal worth US$7 million.

* Unmanned helicopter development project with Israel Aircraft Industries.



Domestic deals

* 180 Sukhoi Su-30MKI being manufactured at HAL's facilities in Nasik and Bangalore. The total contract, which also involves Russia's Sukhoi Aerospace, is worth US$3.2 billion.
* 200 HAL Light Combat Helicopters for Indian Air Force and 500 HAL Dhruv helicopters worth US$5.83 billion.

* US$900 million aerospace hub in Andhra Pradesh.

* US$57 million upgrade of SEPECAT Jaguar fleet of the Indian Air Force.

* US$55 million fighter training school in Bangalore in collaboration with Canada's CAE.

* 64 MiG-29s to be upgraded by HAL and Russia's MiG Corporation in a program worth US$960 million.

* Licensed production of 82 BAe Hawk 132.



In-house developed products

Fighter aircraft
HAL Tejas performing an inverted pass maneuver.

* HF-24 Marut — Mk1 and Mk1T
* Tejas — Light Combat Aircraft
* FGFA — under joint-development with the Sukhoi Corporation
* MCA — india's indigenous stealth fighter
* Su-30MKI, a derivative of Sukhoi Su-27 co-developed with Sukhoi Corporation

Helicopters

HAL Dhruv of the Indian Army

* Dhruv — Advanced Light Helicopter
* Light Combat Helicopter (under development)
* Light Observation Helicopter (under development)
* Indian Multi-role Helicopter (under development)

Engines

* GTRE GTX-35VS Kaveri- Co-developed with GTRE(DRDO)(under development)
* PTAE-7- For indegeniously designed Lakshya PTA

Light trainer aircraft

* HT-2
* HPT-32 Deepak
* HUL-26 Pushpak
* HAOP-27 Krishak
* HA-31 Basant
* HJT-16 Kiran — Mk1, Mk1A and Mk2
* HJT-36 Sitara — Intermediate Jet Trainer (under development)

if you still say india is far behind developing indigenous planes, then Iam sorry, Time for you to consult a Good psychiatrist
 
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And did I forget to say that HAL is one of the largest aerospace companies in Asia with its annual turnover to be running above US$2 billion. More than 40% of HAL's revenues come from international deals to manufacture aircraft engines, spare parts, and other aircraft materials.
 
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Join; Do you think you need to prove your post with LINK ?

Anyway, developing projects dosn't prove anything yet.

as i said before, you guys love to show off to the world, you will do

this, you will do that. At the end of the day, delays, failed projects

turn out one after another.

why you Indians be a littlle more realistic, show off after you made

anything successful, trust me, you will earn more respect and less

embarrassment. :smitten::pakistan::china:

:pakistan::china:
 
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My dear sir, I should first let you know that LCA is not the first jet we are developing indigenously .... HAL has developed aircrafts since 1960's, The perfect example would be # Marut Mk.1 and Marut Mk.1T
To all those who think LCA is a failure, its not.... We need an engine with 90+kn and Kaveri could only produe 70... now That the kaveri is finished and is getting fixed in IL 76 along with other 3 foreign engine to see Kaveris capacity....

Now India is not so good developing new generation fighter aircrafts like Lokheed martin and Sukhois... But We have our tecnologies being researched , Let me ask you, are there any indigenous researches happening in pakistan?

Your post is again endorsed my view that India is not there where it pretend to be in term of aviation. LCA got help from all over the globe. I have no doubt about HAL's abilities but point i am saying is that India still can't produce a 4th gen fighter on its own. But I am not saying India will never able to do so... Best of luck to HAL and other organization with their plans.

No, I don't think there is any indigenous research happening in aviation in Pakistan but PAC is busy in manufacturing and assembly JF-17, K-8 trainers, Parts for Boeing, Super Mushak trainer, UAV, Battle Management Systems, etc... I know this far for sure. Hope this clears up what i wanted to say.
 
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Join; Do you think you need to prove your post with LINK ?

Anyway, developing projects dosn't prove anything yet.

as i said before, you guys love to show off to the world, you will do

this, you will do that. At the end of the day, delays, failed projects

turn out one after another.

why you Indians be a littlle more realistic, show off after you made

anything successful, trust me, you will earn more respect and less

embarrassment. :smitten::pakistan::china:

:pakistan::china:

You can see it in HAL,NAL and LCA tejas websites respectievely... and I dont need to prove you that We are strong contenders in the field of avionics. And I guess You could only see developing projects mentioned here and couldnt see the developed projects, My dear Sir No one is claiming that we are superior, And hence no embarrassment... The only thing Iam saying is we have our technologies, which are being researched and There are many defense deals and many domestic deals....
 
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Hindustan Aeronautics Limited
International deals
HAL Dhruv helicopters of the Ecuadorian Air Force in 2008.
An IAF BAe Hawk being license-produced at the HAL Hawk production facility in Bangalore.

* The US$10 billion fifth-generation fighter jet program with the Sukhoi Corporation of Russia.

* US$1 billion contract to manufacture aircraft parts for Boeing.

* Multi-role transport aircraft project with Ilyushin of Russia worth US$600 million.

* 120 RD-33MK turbofan engines to be manufactured for MiG-29K by HAL for US$250 million.

* Contract to manufacture 1,000 TPE331 aircraft engines for Honeywell worth US$200,000 each (estimates put total value of deal at US$200 million).

* US$120 million deal to manufacture Dornier 228 for RUAG of Switzerland.

* Manufacture of aircraft parts for Airbus Industries worth US$150 million.

* US$100 million contract to export composite materials to Israel Aircraft Industries.

* US$65 million joint-research facility with Honeywell and planned production of Garrett TPE331 engines.

* US$50.7 million contract to supply Advanced Light Helicopter to Ecuadorian Air Force.
HAL will also open a maintenance base in the country.

* US$30 million contract to supply avionics for Malaysian Su-30MKM.

* US$20 million contract to supply ambulance version of HAL Dhruv to Peru.

* Contract of 3 HAL Dhruv helicopters from Turkey worth US$20 million.

* US$10 million order from Namibia for HAL Chetak and Cheetah helicopters.

* Supply of HAL Dhruv helicopters to Mauritius' National Police in a deal worth US$7 million.

* Unmanned helicopter development project with Israel Aircraft Industries.

:) all these contract again proves that HAL is still on its way to get technologies for 4th gen fighters like engines etc.Having said that HAL has done good in Helicopter sector.:tup:

Domestic deals
* 180 Sukhoi Su-30MKI being manufactured at HAL's facilities in Nasik and Bangalore. The total contract, which also involves Russia's Sukhoi Aerospace, is worth US$3.2 billion.
* 200 HAL Light Combat Helicopters for Indian Air Force and 500 HAL Dhruv helicopters worth US$5.83 billion.

* US$900 million aerospace hub in Andhra Pradesh.

* US$57 million upgrade of SEPECAT Jaguar fleet of the Indian Air Force.

* US$55 million fighter training school in Bangalore in collaboration with Canada's CAE.

* 64 MiG-29s to be upgraded by HAL and Russia's MiG Corporation in a program worth US$960 million.

* Licensed production of 82 BAe Hawk 132.

In-house developed products

Fighter aircraft
HAL Tejas performing an inverted pass maneuver.

* HF-24 Marut — Mk1 and Mk1T
* Tejas — Light Combat Aircraft
* FGFA — under joint-development with the Sukhoi Corporation
* MCA — india's indigenous stealth fighter
* Su-30MKI, a derivative of Sukhoi Su-27 co-developed with Sukhoi Corporation
Where are Tejas, MAC?? Murat was not a 4th gen fighter. FGFA and Su-30MKI are not indigenous projects as you have stated yourself.
Helicopters

HAL Dhruv of the Indian Army

* Dhruv — Advanced Light Helicopter
* Light Combat Helicopter (under development)
* Light Observation Helicopter (under development)
* Indian Multi-role Helicopter (under development)

Like I said HAL has done good in this area.
Engines

* GTRE GTX-35VS Kaveri- Co-developed with GTRE(DRDO)(under development)
* PTAE-7- For indegeniously designed Lakshya PTA

Kaveri is not ready sir and on top of it again it is not indigenous.
if you still say india is far behind developing indigenous planes, then Iam sorry, Time for you to consult a Good psychiatrist

Why so serious? huh!Yes after consulting Good psychiatrist I am saying India cannot develop a complete 4th fighter on its own.
 
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Your post is again endorsed my view that India is not there where it pretend to be in term of aviation. LCA got help from all over the globe. I have no doubt about HAL's abilities but point i am saying is that India still can't produce a 4th gen fighter on its own. But I am not saying India will never able to do so... Best of luck to HAL and other organization with their plans.

No, I don't think there is any indigenous research happening in aviation in Pakistan but PAC is busy in manufacturing and assembly JF-17, K-8 trainers, Parts for Boeing... I know this far for sure. Hope this clears up what i wanted to say.

Well, technology is there to study.... You dont write your exam without Studying and Consulting your teacher. do You?... We Consult with those who are good in this field and start Researching on it or studying on it...

You speak as if , We asseble parts from differant countries and say " Here we Are, ready With LCA tejas,One of the best fighter aircrafts" ... If we had to do that we would have inducted LCA tejas in the bid 90's....

Now that You admit that pakistan is just not researching anything indigenous , Then Why do you have to insult our technnologies... The thing which your PAC is doing now, HAL has been doing since 80's...
 
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India ----------- 2015 - 2020

229 Sukhoi Su-30MKI
170 Mig-21 Biason
120 SEPECAT Jaguar
64 MiG-29s
200 HAL Tejas
40 Mig 27
51 Mirage
126 MRCA
10 FGFA — under joint-development with the Sukhoi Corporation
10 MCA — india's indigenous stealth fighter
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Pakistan ----------- 2015 - 2020

250 JF-17
100 J-10B
~80 F-16 Block 52 and MLU
~80 Mirage III / IV
~55 F-7PG
~30 JXX
~50-70 Rafeal/Eurofighter (PAF will go for any one after Indian MRCA deal acc to Chief of Air Staff)
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Looks to me balance, keeping in mind that India is also focusing on China.
 
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:) all these contract again proves that HAL is still on its way to get technologies for 4th gen fighters like engines etc.Having said that HAL has done good in Helicopter sector.:tup:

Please do Enlighten us by saying how did you come to such a conclusion? please do shed some light...


Where are Tejas, MAC?? Murat was not a 4th gen fighter. FGFA and Su-30MKI are not indigenous projects as you have stated yourself.

No one said that Marut is 4th gen and besides MCA is under development and If you can clam JF-17 Indiginious Then why can we claim SU-30 MKI and FGFA which was co developed with russia?




Kaveri is not ready sir and on top of it again it is not indigenous.

Please read this Kaveri jet engine finally poised for first flight


Why so serious? huh!Yes after consulting Good psychiatrist I am saying India cannot develop a complete 4th fighter on its own.

Yes, thats why we are making LCA tejas a 4.5 gen aircraft...
 
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