We have proof of Indian hand in terrorism: Malik

[praveen]

The GoP is doing nothing different from what the GoI and US are doing - there is no evidence provided to support the accusations of the latter two either.

Case in example, for years now the US media and officials have been ranting and whining about 'Osman is in Pakistan' and then a day ago Gates admits that they have absolutely no clue where he is, and all their assertions are based on 'speculation' that he is in the border regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan.

So asking the GoP to change, when the US and India continue with their own allegations without evidence, is hypocritical.

We have living evidence AM ...Kasab,Daood Gilani,Tawahur Hussain Rana.Even the first dossier of evidence which India sent is now opensource in the net .

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

We have living evidence AM ...Kasab,Daood Gilani,Tawahur Hussain Rana.Even the first dossier of evidence which India sent is now opensource in the net .

You have living evidence of a terrorist group being involved - we have that as well, in the form of various TTP leaders being arrested.

You do not have evidence indicating the Pakistani state or any of its institutions are involved - surely you see that, unless you are deliberately being disingenuous.

 

[Hulk]

The GoP is doing nothing different from what the GoI and US are doing - there is no evidence provided to support the accusations of the latter two either.

Case in example, for years now the US media and officials have been ranting and whining about 'Osman is in Pakistan' and then a day ago Gates admits that they have absolutely no clue where he is, and all their assertions are based on 'speculation' that he is in the border regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan.

So asking the GoP to change, when the US and India continue with their own allegations without evidence, is hypocritical.

AM while I partially agree to you let me point some differences. Leave US aside as they do not have to give any proof.

The situation in which Pakistan is currently, shouting about proof and not providing is unacceptable. While India might have not provided proof everytime they accused, but it is not true they never sdid it. There is a difference between few times and not at all.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

AM while I partially agree to you let me point some differences. Leave US aside as they do not have to give any proof.

The situation in which Pakistan is currently, shouting about proof and not providing is unacceptable. While India might have not provided proof everytime they accused, but it is not true they never sdid it. There is a difference between few times and not at all.

The Indian PM just a few days ago said something about Pakistan ending support for terrorism in India, and that is a statement that has been repeated ad nauseum by the Indian government and military leadership, all without evidence.

I see no difference here in terms of the GoI or GoP accusing the other without providing evidence.

 

[navtrek]

Mind You but when is so called proof of Pak Involvement shown on TV ???

all the dossiers submitted to Pakistan on 26/11 were shown my friend the GPS data, Data related to their Identity e.t.c

If you remember it was Pakistani media which proved with proof that Kasab was a Pakistani. When the govt was in denial mode

an example of what am talking abt

 

[Hulk]

The Indian PM just a few days ago said something about Pakistan ending support for terrorism in India, and that is a statement that has been repeated ad nauseum by the Indian government and military leadership, all without evidence.

I see no difference here in terms of the GoI or GoP accusing the other without providing evidence.

AM you are not seeing it correctly in right context. Do not mix that with your situation, you are saying we have proof every week and the situation Pakistan is in is not comparable to any other country minus Iraq or Afghanistan. In this circumstances not providing any proof is not acceptable.

Compare this to 26/11 it was one incidence and we have given 7 set of proofs so far. We have also done full media briefing on some other major incidences like 7/11 local train blast to name the few.

I can list few more from google, try to understand situations are not same. In India after 26/11 there is no major incidence happened so far.

Believe me if this was the case in India they would have made life hell for our politicians few months before. The media as you know would have raped them by now.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

AM you are not seeing it correctly in right context. Do not mix that with your situation, you are saying we have proof every week and the situation Pakistan is in is not comparable to any other country minus Iraq or Afghanistan. In this circumstances not providing any proof is not acceptable.

Compare this to 26/11 it was one incidence and we have given 7 set of proofs so far. We have also done full media briefing on some other major incidences like 7/11 local train blast to name the few.

I can list few more from google, try to understand situations are not same. In India after 26/11 there is no major incidence happened so far.

Believe me if this was the case in India they would have made life hell for our politicians few months before. The media as you know would have raped them by now.

You have given 7 dossiers related to the alleged terrorists involved (7 suspects, including the alleged masterminds, are under arrest and being prosecuted). That is not evidence against the Pakistani state or its institutions, which is the accusation made by MMS and others in the Indian government and military.

The GoI accuses Pakistan without evidence, the GoP appears to be doing the same to India - I see no difference here.

 

[Windjammer]

Pakistan holding the high moral ground, promptly deplored the Mumbai attacks, the current wave of bombings in Pakistan has also been condemned by say America and most of the West, did we hear a bit bit Bindhu murmur something.... highly unlikely.

 

[NSG_BlackCats]

Here is what Pakistan's Interior Minister says about how they will share the evidence with India.

Evidence of Indian involvement at dialogue table: Malik

KARACHI: Interior Minister Rehman Malik said on Monday that evidence of Indian involvement in Pakistan has been handed over to the foreign ministry in Islamabad.
Speaking to the media after meeting with clerics at the CM House here, Malik said the evidence of Indian involvement in Pakistan will be shared with New Delhi during composite dialogue between the two countries.

The minister said arms and ammunitions smuggled into the country from Afghanistan were being used in terrorist activities in Pakistan. He said he was in talks with US and Afghan authorities in this connection and a mechanism is being put in place to stop the arms smuggling.

He stressed the need of ending cross border infiltration between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Here is what Pakistan's Interior Minister says about how they will share the evidence with India.

Now Pakistan is waiting for the composite dialogue with India to begin, so that they can share the information. Now you can draw your conclusion on what kind of proof Pakistan have.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Now you can draw your conclusion on what kind of proof Pakistan have.

The same kind of evidence Indian has indicating Pakistani state complicity and the same kind of evidence the US has indicating OBK is in Pakistan.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Pakistan holding the high moral ground, promptly deplored the Mumbai attacks, the current wave of bombings in Pakistan has also been condemned by say America and most of the West, did we hear a bit bit Bindhu murmur something.... highly unlikely.

What we hear from Indians is this: http://www.defence.pk/forums/current-events-social-issues/40428-incoming-barrage-india.html

and this

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...ian-cautions-against-unconcealed-delight.html

 

[FlickerSingh]

What we hear from Indians is this: http://www.defence.pk/forums/current-events-social-issues/40428-incoming-barrage-india.html

and this

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...ian-cautions-against-unconcealed-delight.html

2 quote a few indians who claim 2 celebrate the bombings in your cities is not proper. some indians may feel that you deserve what you get because you created these organisations. most indians do not burst fireworks when a bomb goes off in pakistan. instead we are shocked at the news and feel sad when we see civilian casualties. it is similar position in pakistan. some but very minor part of the population may have celebrated 26/11. most of the sane people would have reacted with shock

 

[rajeev]

The same kind of evidence Indian has indicating Pakistani state complicity and the same kind of evidence the US has indicating OBK is in Pakistan.

In most of your comments you talk about fairness. But dont you think one side it is apparent to everyone including Pakistanis that Pakistanis were involved in Mumbai attacks. It is only a suspicion whether ISI is involved or not, just like any bombs going on in Pakistan is blamed on TTP with suspicion on RAW and CIA. Dont you see Pakistan has no information of any Indian involved in the act, zip!nada! but claiming that India is involved is little bit ridiculous to me!

I dont know whether I should say this to you that you dont have to agree to every position that your government makes and profusely debate on such obvious omission of facts from one party!

 

[FireFighter]

all the dossiers submitted to Pakistan on 26/11 were shown my friend the GPS data, Data related to their Identity e.t.c

If you remember it was Pakistani media which proved with proof that Kasab was a Pakistani. When the govt was in denial mode

an example of what am talking abt

tCSHs8g5ac4[/media] - 26/11 trial: FBI confirms Pakistan link

Your media is a blatant liar and master at distorting facts. Show me videos that prove that our media placed responsibility on PAK state.

Indian media has been ardently trying to blame Pakistan and through other means collectively punishing pakistan for her ulterior designs


You still have to prove those attacks were motivated or funded by Pakistani State

 

[Hulk]

You have given 7 dossiers related to the alleged terrorists involved (7 suspects, including the alleged masterminds, are under arrest and being prosecuted). That is not evidence against the Pakistani state or its institutions, which is the accusation made by MMS and others in the Indian government and military.

The GoI accuses Pakistan without evidence, the GoP appears to be doing the same to India - I see no difference here.

AM we have debated about the evidence time and again and there is a reason why GOP has charged their citizen (leave the credibility issue aside). The point here is that we have provided evidence and in comparison GOP has talked about evidence and provided none.