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We are an ally who stood by India in darkest hours: Russia

Nope. Indian geopolitical decisions are not based on emotions, we don't have a culture of worshiping our allies, so no one can use us as a pawn. Not even US

Time will tell.
MMRCA is one example, we will see more soon.
Just observe closely what happens.

You have little idea of the power of a dinner that US or French or UK embassy throws.
 
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When you talk chess, remember that India isn't hurting china any time soon.
You too are being played by US.
We were played by US ( what you call ally status ) for several decades for US's own goals.

as the proverb goes the grass is always greener on the other side.

United States , GCC , Turkey, Egpyt have tried to move Pakistan from Chinese influence and understand the attachment of Indian Nation to its holy land which has been occupied by the Chinese.

United States have tried to maintain the balance but it has been hard for United States to stop the Chinese policy.

United States do supports India in getting permanent seat at United nations security council .

We are relying on right things- our economy and our labor and not some other country. So don't worry about us.

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Republic of India is having technology in all the sectors and on that having natural resources, raw material and man power. 65% of Indian population is below 35 years.


Hindustan may bahut doosre mulko ko paal rehay hain.
 
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I am waiting exactly for that, lets see if that announcement is backed up by action, I dont feel they will pursue that.



Is there any other deal beside Helicopter one signed with Russia in BRICS? I was offline for few days, dont have much update on it and really cant find any concrete article or source which give more information about it.



Oh they do! They do care a lot and there was a reason the same Putin who spent less than 24 hours in India in previous visit want to spend 4 days here to give a personal touch.

Yes. Major deal that was signed is for the procurement of S-400s.

Read this

https://defence.pk/threads/india-ru...o-defence-deals-worth-rs-72-000-crore.456061/
 
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Yes. Major deal that was signed is for the procurement of S-400s.

Read this

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Nirbhay will be deployed before that . 2020 too much long time .:disagree::disagree:

Exactly. But our gullible neighbor relying on China to turn things around for them, just how China is doing for Africa :lol: koi kisi ke liye kuch nahi karta. They are way to naive and emotional.

I think even all our neighbors are understanding including Pakistan what chinese are doing .

Chinese are seeing thier national interest but being under Chinese influence is Pakistan national interest ?
 
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Russia is eying the multi-billion dollar deal for P75-I project of India under which six conventional submarines are to be built with Air Independent Propulsion systems.

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With deals over USD 12 billion in kitty this month, including leasing of a second nuclear submarine, Russia hopes to bag more projects as it termed itself as not just a business partner but an “ally” who stood by India in its “darkest hours”. Russia is eying the multi-billion dollar deal for P75-I project of India under which six conventional submarines are to be built with Air Independent Propulsion systems and the next aircraft carrier project besides the deal to jointly develop a fifth generation fighter aircraft.


Asserting that there is no limit to what India and Russia can do together, a top Russian defense official claimed the US and Europeans can never give what Moscow can and has offered. “We are ready not just to deliver most serious weapons, most important weapons but continue to give our state of art technology,” Sergei Chemezov, CEO of Rostec State Corporation, an umbrella organisation of 700 hi-tech civilian and military firms, told PTI.

Watch| PM Modi, Prez Putin hold restricted talks ahead of BRICS

“Russia is a friend, an ally and not a business partner. Russia stood by India during its darkest hours. Next year will mark 70 years of our relationship. It is a long time,” he said and noted that Russia had stood by India when it faced sanctions after the 1998 nuclear tests.

“Not so in the recent past, when India was under sanctions, we were pretty much the only partner for India. “Russia has been a partner not only in every day military supplies but also most sensitive and most important supplies including a nuclear submarine which was rented to India for you to use,” said Chemezov who is also a close aide of Russian President Vladmir Putin.

“Come to think about it, I would not imagine any other country to do that, he said. Not in the past or in the future. I cannot imagine US or Europe giving India such a strategic asset,” he said when asked about the tough competition that US and Europe are giving to Russia in the Indian defence market. Not only did Russia lease out a nuclear powered submarine, it actively helped in the building India’s first indigenous nuclear weapon carrying capable submarine INS Arihant which has been inducted into the Indian Navy.

Chemezov said “it is a very special year for us and will be marked by major projects and things are starting already.” He, however, admitted that from a third person’s point of view, there might have been some decline in some areas of defense between the two countries. US and some European countries have managed to strike mega deals with India which the Russians were also competing for.

“It is not a linear sort of relationship. We feel that ties are definitely developing and increasing,” he said. Giving example of the deadly BrahMos missile, Chemezov said that not only has Russia delivered high value equipment but has also collaborated with India on developing strategic assets.

He pointed out that in late 1990s, Russia had transferred technology for Su30 MKI, India’s frontline fighter aircraft. “At that point of time, it was our most modern equipment, our most modern plane. When we had actually signed that agreement, Russia did not even equip its army with this.

“This was basically our newest highest technology. That shows and speaks about our relationship with India,” he said. He also gave the example of T90 tanks, saying they are “not in anyway less but in many way, modern than any advanced US or European technologies”. He said there is scope for cooperation in the P75-I and the aircraft carrier project.

“There is definitely scope for both of those. There is pretty much no limit to what we could do together. Anything that is within our realm of things and possibilities, means it is the same with India,” he said.

Chemezov said that Russia has already submitted its proposals for both projects.


http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ood-by-india-in-darkest-hours-russia-3098918/

True Indeed. If the whole hearted Russian help didn't reached us in time the outcome of 1971 would have been different as well. :)
 
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We made a huge huge mistake in 90's. We should have made Russia to the size of Sri lanka. Anyways time is not that late they should be invited to Afghanistan one more time.

Even in the Nineties ; Russia was FAR stronger than India
AND India was FAR stronger than Pakistan

So if you could not defeat India in the Nineties ; how could you have defeated Russia
 
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No dude. You guys are being fooled by China into believing that they can turn things around for you guys and in the process you are snubbing your most important ally, the USA. Just take a look at Africa to learn how China is expert in exploiting locals for their own gain, look at their close ally N Korea. You are just pawns in the big games and we all know what happens to pawns. Don't flatter yourself by believing something else.
Well said mate. This is the point. The hate mongering Pak friends should understand this. "Why the Chinese need to support Pak against India?" "Why the Chinese were extremely guarded in responding immediately after the Indian Surgical Strikes on Terrorist Camps?", if a Pakistani is able to find the answer to these questions, he will realize who the "Real Enemy" is?
For the sake of argument consider this hypothetical scenario An "Indo-Pak Alliance" imagine who will be the "Loser"?.
 
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True Indeed. If the whole hearted Russian help didn't reached us in time the outcome of 1971 would have been different as well. :)

Actually it was the United States which came to assist Republic of India during the 1971 war , when the nukes were showed to India by the Chinese.

US 7th fleet, led by the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise, entered Bay of Bengal on December, 1971.

The US “fleet” consisted of the USS Enterprise, at 75,000 ton, the world's largest nuclear powered aircraft carrier with more than 70 fighters and bombers , guided missile cruiser USS King, guided missile destroyers USS Decatur, Parsons and Tartar Sam, and amphibious assault ship USS Tripoli.
 
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