"We are a naval nation" Turkish Foreign Minister Cavusoglu

[MH.Yang]

GaoChang state.
There is no record of the origin of Gaochang state in China. In 108 BC, Gaochang joined the Han Dynasty and became a vassal state of the Han Dynasty. In 60 BC, the Han Dynasty established the western region governor area. King Gaochang belonged to the CheShiQianBu legion under the jurisdiction of the governor of the western regions. The Ashina family is a tribe under the jurisdiction of King Gaochang.

 

[MH.Yang]

The total length of the Great Wall is 21196.18 kilometers, ao many people are frightened by the length. They think the Great Wall is like this:

Wrong, it is the wall of ancient Chinese city, not the wall of the Great Wall. The average height of the wall of the Great Wall is only 7.8 meters. They are like this.

The defense capability of the Great Wall is not strong. Nomads can break through some nodes by concentrating their forces. In history, nomads often destroyed some city walls and invaded the territory of the Han nationality.
In fact, in ancient China, the greatest role of the Great Wall was not defense, but attack and embargo.
Yes, the Great Wall is not used to defend grassland cavalry, it can't defend. The main function of the Great Wall is to partition businessmen inside the great wall and spies outside the Great Wall.
Han troops usually use the Great Wall to partition spies and cover the military movement, and then attack from any node of the Great Wall to attack the weak defense of nomads. It is difficult for nomads to keep any position ready for war for a long time, so they are often dragged into the decisive battle when they are weakest.
The second is the use of the embargo. Nomads lack iron and tea, especially tea. Nomads need tea to supplement vitamins. If they do not have tea and only use animal viscera and wild herbs to supplement vitamins, it is difficult for them to live beyond the age of 30.
This is brick tea, which belongs to low-grade tea, but it is a necessity for the grassland people.

The Han Army also often exchanged tea for a grassland plant called FaCai. Because the excavation of this plant will lead to the destruction of the grassland, thus weakening the viability of nomads.

 

[MMM-E]

3, The Kurgan culture (primitive Indo European culture) originated in 4300 BC did affect many countries in the whole Indo European continent. The ancestors of the Ashina family came from Gaochang. They may indeed be the descendants of the Kurgan people. But you can't say that kurgans are Turks. According to your logic, you can even say that the African ancestors of mankind were Turks, and all human civilizations came from Turks.

what about Indo European ?
Indo European = descendants of the proto Turkic Peoples


Haplogroup P-M45 ( proto Turkic Peoples )
Time of origin : 45.000 years ago
Place of origin : Central Asia and Southeast Asia
Descendants : Haplogroup Q and R

Haplogroup P-M45 ( proto Turkic Peoples )
Haplogroup Q : Native Americans
Haplogroup R : Europeans

American genetic scientists have proved that Europeans ( haplogroup R ) and Native Americans ( haplogroup Q ) have proto Turkic blood ( haplogroup PM-45 )


DNA never lies

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even KURGAN name is Turkic means: fortress, embankment, fortress, high grave

The earliest known Kurgans are dated to the 5th millennium BC
and have been found in Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Altay Mountains, Caucasus, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Romania, and Bulgaria

also many Kurgans in China

That means Turkic Peoples throughout the last 10.000 years, had migrated further into Euroasian steppes, Europe, America, China, India as well as Mesopotomia while bringing their highly intelligent civilizations to the indigenous populations


SUMER Civilization : SUMER was not semitic ... SUMER was turanoid
They came to Mesopotomia from Central Asia

who lives in Central Asia in the last 10.000 years ? chinese ? koreans ? indians ?

of course Turkic Peoples lived in Central Asia in the last 10.000 years

in Asia , only Turkic Peoples had migrated further into Euroasian steppes, Europe, America, China, India as well as Mesopotomia



even Turks founded 16 Empires in the last 2.000 years ( modern history )

in Afghanistan = White Huns
in India = Mughal Empire
in İran = Safavid-Qajar-Afshar , Great Seljuk Empire ( İran was ruled by the Turks between 960s and 1925 )
in Anatolia ( Turkey ) : Seljuk and Ottoman Empires
in Europe : European Hunnic Empire

Egypt , İraq , Syria was ruled by the Turks in the last 1.000 years
The Tulunids were a dynasty of Turkic origin and were the first independent dynasty to rule Egypt as well as much of Syria in 868

also Mamluks and Ottoman Empire ruled Egypt




ASHINA ( ASENA ) is the name of a she-wolf associated with the Oghuz Turkic foundation myth

She-wolf (Roman mythology), a similar figure in the mythical foundation of Rome ... because of Etrusks in İtalia
from Central Asia to İtaly via Turks ... Etruscan civilization ( the inscription contains the phrase Turskum ) Tursci - E-trus-ci

maybe after 3.000 years , in 5.021 Greeks,Chinese,etc will say Ottoman Empire was not Turk

 

[retaxis]

false flager TROLL Team
their mission is lie and anti-Turkey and anti-Erdogan propaganda on PDF

No one cares or has a mission here. Your clearly schizoaffective.

 

[Apollon]

6.000+ km Great Wall of China to stop the Turks and Mongols
Turks took part of China but never tried to rule China because fear of assimilation in huge Chinese population
China was beaten by Turks-Arabs in TALAS in 751 and after that China never dare to attack anyone


Huns,Uygurs,Tatars,Kazakh,Kyrgyz,Uzbek,Turkmen,Bashkir,etc = TURK
and Mongols are cousins to the Turks

there are OGHUZ and KIPCAK Turks

Seljuks,Ottomans,Azerbaijan,Turkmenistan,Turkey = OGHUZ TURK

Majority of turks in Turkey are simply Greeks who switched to Islam during ottoman era.

 

[MMM-E]

Majority of turks in Turkey are simply Greeks who switched to Islam during ottoman era.

what a stupidy you have


what happened to millions of Turks who came to Anatolia ( Turkey ) from Central Asia between the 11th and 15th centuries through İran,İraq,Syria ?

maybe over 50 millions of Turks in Azerbaijan,İran,İraq,Syria are also Greeks who switched to Islam


also between 1821 and 1922 millions of Bosnians ,Albanians ,Circassians ,Georgians ,etc came to Anatolia ( Turkey ) from Balkans and Caucasia

also millions of Kurds and Arabs in Turkey

 

[Apollon]

what a stupidy you have


what happened to millions of Turks who came to Anatolia ( Turkey ) from Central Asia between the 11th and 15th centuries through İran,İraq,Syria ?

maybe over 50 millions of Turks in Azerbaijan,İran,İraq,Syria are also Greeks who switched to Islam


also between 1821 and 1922 millions of Bosnians ,Albanians ,Circassians ,Georgians ,etc came to Anatolia ( Turkey ) from Balkans and Caucasia

also millions of Kurds and Arabs in Turkey

There never were millions.

 

[MMM-E]

There never were millions.

your source = your arse as always

 

[Apollon]

your source = your arse as always

There never was migration of millions of people. It was Impossible back then.

1. There were not enough people (pharaonic egypt during old egypt had only 5 million inhabitants).

2. There was no infrastructure. Hundredthousands would have died.

That Mehmet brought tenthousands of Greeks back into Constantinople to let the city function again shows that.

 

[MMM-E]

There never was migration of millions of people. It was Impossible back then.

not in one year but in 400 years

millions of Turks who came to Anatolia ( Turkey ) from Central Asia between the 11th and 15th centuries through İran,İraq,Syria

also between 1821 and 1922 millions of Bosnians ,Albanians ,Circassians ,Georgians ,etc came to Anatolia ( Turkey ) from Balkans and Caucasia


Turkiye has millions of document from Seljuk and Ottoman Empires

Sources state that as many as 1.5 million Circassians were forced to flee in total
Ottoman archives show nearly 1 million migrants entering their land from the Caucasus by 1879

Circassian genocide - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[retaxis]

DNA-based tests shake Turks’ beliefs in their “Turkishness” | Ahval

ahvalnews.com

"turks" only have 9% of original Turks DNA. 18% of DNA is Indian lol. Your more Indian then Turks.

A report in the journal Annals of Human Genetics in 2012 indicated the paternal ancestry of those living in Turkey was 38 percent European, 35 percent Middle Eastern, 18 percent South Asian and only 9 percent Central Asian.

 

[Foinikas]

Majority of turks in Turkey are simply Greeks who switched to Islam during ottoman era.

I disagree with that actually,but there could be a few million Greeks who had converted and also orphans from the early 20th century.

millions of Turks who came to Anatolia ( Turkey )

There weren't "millions" to migrate back then. That is only a number you came up with,we're talking about the middle-ages. Hundreds of thousands maybe,but millions is an overstatement.

 

[MMM-E]

I disagree with that actually,but there could be a few million Greeks who had converted and also orphans from the early 20th century.

not millions but maybe hundreds of thousands



Population exchange between Greece and Turkey 1923

It involved at least 1.6 million people (1,221,489 Greek Orthodox from Asia Minor, Eastern Thrace, the Pontic Alps and the Caucasus, and 355,000–400,000 Muslims from Greece)

Population exchange between Greece and Turkey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[MMM-E]

There weren't "millions" to migrate back then. That is only a number you came up with,we're talking about the middle-ages. Hundreds of thousands maybe,but millions is an overstatement.

even millions of Turks came to İran,İraq,Syria from Central Asia
today there are over 50 millions of Turks in Azerbaijan,İran,İraq and Syria

Turkiye has millions of document from Seljuk and Ottoman Empires

millions of Turks came to Anatolia ( Turkey ) from Central Asia between the 11th and 15th centuries through İran,İraq,Syria

also between 1821 and 1922 millions of Bosnians ,Albanians ,Circassians ,Georgians ,etc came to Anatolia ( Turkey ) from Balkans and Caucasia

I have many Bosnian ,Albanian ,Circassian ,Georgian origin friends in Turkey



Sources state that as many as 1.5 million Circassians were forced to flee in total
Ottoman archives show nearly 1 million migrants entering our land from the Caucasus by 1879

Circassian genocide - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

also Crimean Tatars had immigrated from Crimea to Turkey in three waves: First, after the Russian annexation of Crimea in 1783; second, after the Crimean War of 1853–56; third, after the Russo-Turkish War of 1877–78

 

[Foinikas]

even millions of Turks came to İran,İraq,Syria from Central Asia
today there are over 50 millions of Turks in Azerbaijan,İran,İraq and Syria

Turkiye has millions of document from Seljuk and Ottoman Empires

millions of Turks came to Anatolia ( Turkey ) from Central Asia between the 11th and 15th centuries through İran,İraq,Syria

also between 1821 and 1922 millions of Bosnians ,Albanians ,Circassians ,Georgians ,etc came to Anatolia ( Turkey ) from Balkans and Caucasia

I have many Bosnian ,Albanian ,Circassian ,Georgian origin friends in Turkey



Sources state that as many as 1.5 million Circassians were forced to flee in total
Ottoman archives show nearly 1 million migrants entering our land from the Caucasus by 1879

Circassian genocide - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

also Crimean Tatars had immigrated from Crimea to Turkey in three waves: First, after the Russian annexation of Crimea in 1783; second, after the Crimean War of 1853–56; third, after the Russo-Turkish War of 1877–78

Ok,do you understand,does your brain understand,after I've told you a dozen times that no matter how much you repeat the same sentences,something won't change? When you tell me something and I reply and then you say the exact same thing like c/p do you expect me to change my opinion? I told you something and you repeated the exact same things you said above. That makes the conversation go nowhere. Please understand,because it's tiring,that you do this in all threads and it's one of the reasons why you cannot debate people. I mean,at this point I will ask you kindly to understand this. To sit down and think for a bit and understand the way you are trying to debate and talk is wrong.