Watch out for Vietnam, says RI ambassador

[Bungaterakhir]

You invite the Russians to war game in the South China Sea and even in the Sea of Japan but complain when we invite our friends to beach parties? Chinese have no humor.


Vietnam and Indonesia take different ways in the economy. We embrace the world by allowing everyone to trade with everyone, while Indonesia takes a nationalist tone by driving a self sufficiency policy, restricting trades in export and import, with even restricting import of basic commodities such as Garlic from China.

Tpp is more suitable for free economies with strong manufacturing and export basis, otherwise your domestic industry will be pushed into bankruptcy. Tpp is brutal capitalism.

In contrast RCEP is more for kids in the kindergarten.

that's true really different way in the economy. so you can open your eyes widelly next time. ^_^

 

[nufix]

Middle and rich class making money by exploiting million poor ppl and let them starve is just a failed system. Thats why karl Marx said: "poor ppl must stand up and overthrow dirty rich of capitalist"


There r much much more Indonesian pirate and starving ppl than VN thieves.

Dude you are talking about 150 million middle class, vs 19 million starving people. You make it sound like the other way around lol

 

[Bungaterakhir]

Middle and rich class making money by exploiting million poor ppl and let them starve is just a failed system. Thats why karl Marx said: "poor ppl must stand up and overthrow dirty rich of capitalist"


There r much much more Indonesian pirate and starving ppl than VN thieves.

How is life compared is absolutely subjective among people around the worlds, let see another OBJECTIVE coverage:

• Stage of Development Economies
  Singapore: Stage 3 (Innovation Driven Economies)
  Malaysia : Transition from Stage 2 to Stage 3
  Indonesia & Thailand: Stage 2 (Efficiency Driven Economies)
  Philippines and Vietnam: Transition from Stage 1 to Stage 2
  Cambodia-Laos-Myanmar: Stage 1
  Appendix: Methodology and Computation of the Global Competitiveness Index 2015–2016
• Global Competitiveness Index (This one is the strongest data because consist of 12th Pillar from Institution, Infastructure, Macroeconomic environment, Education, Market efficiency, Technology, Bussiness and Inovation)
  Malaysia 18th
  Thailand 32th
  Indonesia 37th
  Philippines 47th
  Vietnam 56th
  Competitiveness Rankings
  • This is another additional data that still not yet cover by GCI:
    • Data of Investment and FDI
  • Foreign Direct Investment (Higher amount means this country investment environment & facility much safer, better, stabile than the others with lower amount, and the higher amounts mean this country being based of international company and corporation):
    • Singapore (Rank 11 in World) $981 billion
    • Indonesia (25th) $279 B
    • Thailand(27th) $219 B
    • Malaysia(33rd) $166 B
    • Vietnam(46th) $100 B
    • Philippines(59th) $58 B
  Source: Central Intelligence Agency
  
  Again, this ranking shows Vietnam and Philippines ranking gap is far between another.
  
  • Market capitalization stock exchange (That means amount of all bussiness that happen in each country, bigger amount mean massive economies). This is data is 2015:
    • Singapore $639 B
    • Malaysia $382 B
    • Indonesia $353 B
    • Thailand $348 B
    • Philippines $238 B
    • Vietnam $50 B
  • Source: Market capitalization of listed domestic companies (current US$)
  But, according to some data in 2016, Indonesia market capitalization already surpassed Malaysia since July 2016 with market caps. $427 Billion followed by Malaysia $402 B, Thailand $400 B and Philippines $285 B.
  
  Source: IDX records all-time high market capitalization ahead of tax amnesty
  
  So, all of this i can delivered to you. In conclusion i should say, the economies in ASEAN:
  Singapore is advanced economies
  Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand is at par with same stage for combination of all economic data.
  Philippines and Vietnam is another same stage lower than Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia.
  
  For sure, now Vietnam still so far to be same stage with Indonesia or Thailand, so just hope it in many couple years
  
  Majority of Indonesia knows that Indonesia much much more developed than Vietnam, and i should say yes, today Indonesia 4–5 times more developed, but the gap is narrower, my dad say in 2004 Indonesia is 6–7 times more developed than VN.
  
  when i go to HCMC and Hanoi last year, i think this city already changed much because when my dad go to HCMC and Hanoi in 2004, my dad just said the city look like Yogyakarta or Jakarta in 1970s, all the condition are really lagged behind.
  
  But, last year when we are as family going there for holiday my dad and i recognized fast changing of HCMC and Hanoi, ya honestly speaking HCMC and Hanoi still not comparable with Indonesia best city like (Jakarta, Surabaya, Yogyakarta, Semarang, Pekanbaru and Makassar) because these Indonesian cities already enjoyed much much better urban planning and infrastructure overall with good quality of road and city management.
  
  Honestly, in HCMC District 1 is the best area of this city, this is best district, but outside this district 1 HCMC is really disorganized city with very bad city urban planning and absolutely worse complicated electrical wires pole.
  
  For overall city condition, this HCMC can be at par with Bandung city in Indonesia but in District 1 is clean like Yogyakarta city in Indonesia, the other district is just like Bandung, Bandung and HCMC seems really similar at all. Bandung also huge city but the urban planning and city condition worse than some cities in Indonesia. It’s really HCMC twins.

this is my last respont for people like you, i have nothing against people of vietnam. instead spread hate, better go to school and work hard as you can for your better future. amen..

 

[Viva_Viet]

Dude you are talking about 150 million middle class, vs 19 million starving people. You make it sound like the other way around lol

150 million middle class rely too much on selling natural resources bro. Other nations only wanna buy your oil, coal or cars that manufactured by Honda/Toyota indonesia motor (not your own car branch) . More ppl are boycotting your palm oil even u just won the case in EU cos its polluting environmental .

what happen when you oil resource run out ?? Can u export other good things to make money ??....or u guys will exploit each other to survive in middle class ??

How is life compared is absolutely subjective among people around the worlds, let see another OBJECTIVE coverage:

• Stage of Development Economies
  Singapore: Stage 3 (Innovation Driven Economies)
  Malaysia : Transition from Stage 2 to Stage 3
  Indonesia & Thailand: Stage 2 (Efficiency Driven Economies)
  Philippines and Vietnam: Transition from Stage 1 to Stage 2
  Cambodia-Laos-Myanmar: Stage 1
  Appendix: Methodology and Computation of the Global Competitiveness Index 2015–2016
• Global Competitiveness Index (This one is the strongest data because consist of 12th Pillar from Institution, Infastructure, Macroeconomic environment, Education, Market efficiency, Technology, Bussiness and Inovation)
  Malaysia 18th
  Thailand 32th
  Indonesia 37th
  Philippines 47th
  Vietnam 56th
  Competitiveness Rankings
  • This is another additional data that still not yet cover by GCI:
    • Data of Investment and FDI
  • Foreign Direct Investment (Higher amount means this country investment environment & facility much safer, better, stabile than the others with lower amount, and the higher amounts mean this country being based of international company and corporation):
    • Singapore (Rank 11 in World) $981 billion
    • Indonesia (25th) $279 B
    • Thailand(27th) $219 B
    • Malaysia(33rd) $166 B
    • Vietnam(46th) $100 B
    • Philippines(59th) $58 B
  Source: Central Intelligence Agency
  
  Again, this ranking shows Vietnam and Philippines ranking gap is far between another.
  • Market capitalization stock exchange (That means amount of all bussiness that happen in each country, bigger amount mean massive economies). This is data is 2015:
    • Singapore $639 B
    • Malaysia $382 B
    • Indonesia $353 B
    • Thailand $348 B
    • Philippines $238 B
    • Vietnam $50 B
  • Source: Market capitalization of listed domestic companies (current US$)
  But, according to some data in 2016, Indonesia market capitalization already surpassed Malaysia since July 2016 with market caps. $427 Billion followed by Malaysia $402 B, Thailand $400 B and Philippines $285 B.
  
  Source: IDX records all-time high market capitalization ahead of tax amnesty
  
  So, all of this i can delivered to you. In conclusion i should say, the economies in ASEAN:
  Singapore is advanced economies
  Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand is at par with same stage for combination of all economic data.
  Philippines and Vietnam is another same stage lower than Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia.
  
  For sure, now Vietnam still so far to be same stage with Indonesia or Thailand, so just hope it in many couple years
  
  Majority of Indonesia knows that Indonesia much much more developed than Vietnam, and i should say yes, today Indonesia 4–5 times more developed, but the gap is narrower, my dad say in 2004 Indonesia is 6–7 times more developed than VN.
  
  when i go to HCMC and Hanoi last year, i think this city already changed much because when my dad go to HCMC and Hanoi in 2004, my dad just said the city look like Yogyakarta or Jakarta in 1970s, all the condition are really lagged behind.
  
  But, last year when we are as family going there for holiday my dad and i recognized fast changing of HCMC and Hanoi, ya honestly speaking HCMC and Hanoi still not comparable with Indonesia best city like (Jakarta, Surabaya, Yogyakarta, Semarang, Pekanbaru and Makassar) because these Indonesian cities already enjoyed much much better urban planning and infrastructure overall with good quality of road and city management.
  
  Honestly, in HCMC District 1 is the best area of this city, this is best district, but outside this district 1 HCMC is really disorganized city with very bad city urban planning and absolutely worse complicated electrical wires pole.
  
  For overall city condition, this HCMC can be at par with Bandung city in Indonesia but in District 1 is clean like Yogyakarta city in Indonesia, the other district is just like Bandung, Bandung and HCMC seems really similar at all. Bandung also huge city but the urban planning and city condition worse than some cities in Indonesia. It’s really HCMC twins.

this is my last respont for people like you, i have nothing against people of vietnam. instead spread hate, better go to school and work hard as you can for your better future. amen..

Dont give me some stupid link when million Indonesian is starving, even poor Vnese in Ha Giang still have more food than million Indonesian.

 

[AViet]

I like Indonesia. However, you are more developed in Vietnam? In GDP per capita, ypu are higher. But in all other indicators, you are behind. Development is not only about how city and infrastructure look. Our education, health care etc are the best in SEA just behind Singapore.

Our scientist, in some areas, were and are the world leaders. When we want to compete, we compete with the like of Korea, Germany or the US.

First, Indonesia and other South East Asian people have to remove your inferiority complex before comparing youself with Vietnamese. We do not have that inferirity complex. We are now poor, but we believe we are as capable as German or Korean.

 

[nufix]

150 million middle class rely too much on selling natural resources bro. Other nations only wanna buy your oil, coal or cars that manufactured by Honda/Toyota indonesia motor (not your own car branch) . More ppl are boycotting your palm oil even u just won the case in EU cos its polluting environmental .

what happen when you oil resource run out ?? Can u export other good things to make money ??....or u guys will exploit each other to survive in middle class ??


Dont give me some stupid link when million Indonesian is starving, even poor Vnese in Ha Giang still have more food than million Indonesian.

Yo keep bringing up palm oil and natural resource. Dude, you did not even see the manufacturing output value mentioned several times in this discussion? Stupid is as stupid does indeed hahaha.
And how many times I mentioned that Indonesia is not an export reliance country? Again, stupid is as stupid does

I like Indonesia. However, you are more developed in Vietnam? In GDP per capita, ypu are higher. But in all other indicators, you are behind. Development is not only about how city and infrastructure look. Our education, health care etc are the best in SEA just behind Singapore.

Our scientist, in some areas, were and are the world leaders. When we want to compete, we compete with the like of Korea, Germany or the US.

First, Indonesia and other South East Asian people have to remove your inferiority complex before comparing youself with Vietnamese. We do not have that inferirity complex. We are now poor, but we believe we are as capable as German or Korean.

You are funny dude, we are not the one that started this dick measuring contest thread. VN is simply just irrelevant to many of us, it is your guys who kept comparing VN to Indonesia. hahaha

I think I am going to stop here. VN posters here are not even aware that they have to study basic macro economics first before talking about that. LOL cheers guys

 

[Nike]

Just scram. End

 

[Viva_Viet]

Yo keep bringing up palm oil and natural resource. Dude, you did not even see the manufacturing output value mentioned several times in this discussion? Stupid is as stupid does indeed hahaha.
And how many times I mentioned that Indonesia is not an export reliance country? Again, stupid is as stupid does

Even CN, US, Germany still need to rely on exporting, thats why Trump just start trade war vs CN.

If u think your economy is special than CN, US, then keep making yourself happy on internet. I dont care abt your starving nation with middle class surviving by exploiting poor ppl and natural resources when they can not make anything good to sell.

 

[nufix]

Even CN, US, Germany still need to rely on exporting, thats why Trump just start trade war vs CN.

If u think your economy is special than CN, US, then keep making yourself happy on internet. I dont care abt your starving nation with middle class surviving by exploiting poor ppl and natural resources when they can not make anything good to sell.

Nobody is saying Indonesian economy is special than any others. It is just a simple choice between relying on intl market for growth or domestic market. It is basic macro economics dude. Stupid is as stupid does

 

[katarabhumi]

Dear God. it's like dealing with broken cassette in here.

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[nufix]

Dear God. it's like dealing with broken cassette in here.

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It is always the case with VN posters. They talk something they have no clue about and when they are presented with data, they move to other irrelevant topics, and back to zero again because they dont understand how to interprete the data hahaha

 

[Viva_Viet]

Nobody is saying Indonesian economy is special than any others. It is just a simple choice between relying on intl market from growth or domestic market. It is basic macro economics dude. Stupid is as stupid does

Bcs u can not make any good products by yourself to sell to the world, no one wanna buy, so u force your ppl to buy those failed products and happy to call it as "domestic market" ??

 

[IblinI]

People here are actually wasting their time with a person who shout out for "Vietnam is going to unify sub Mekong region".

 

[lcloo]

Jarkata

Ho Chi Minh City

Kuala Lumpur

 

[pr1v4t33r]

It is always the case with VN posters. They talk something they have no clue about and when they are presented with data, they move to other irrelevant topics, and back to zero again because they dont understand how to interprete the data hahaha

That's just escaping reality. As they said, Vietnamese as a nation is "poor" so they feel an urge to drag others into their small puddles. Indonesia don't have to prove anything really. Our achievement in the last decade speak louder than any scream they shouted in their dream.

Our economic trajectory and target is clear. From the poorest nation when we gained independence to 16th biggest economy today and work our way to be the 4th biggest economy by 2050.

What random VN posters do and think are irrelevant

People here are actually wasting their time with a person who shout out for "Vietnam is going to unify sub Mekong region".

Unifying sub Mekong they said? Blasphemy !!! That's preposterous lunatic !!!