Was Osama Bin Laden Allowed To Escape To Pakistan To Entrap Pakistan Later

[MastanKhan]

A few days ago---Hilary Clinton's email information released stated that Gen Tommy Frank and Rumsfeld allowed the escape of Osama Bin Laden fro Kandhar and Tora Bora-----

The loitering armed drone over kandhar had the house on the camera screen where Osama Bin Laden--Mullah Omar and their cohorts were present and the all the concerned generals and staff in the U S military were watching the scenario. The drone loitered around for somewhere around an hour over the house---but no order was given to pull the trigger to launch the missiles to kill the terrorists and the murderer of 3000 american men and women.

The entourage ultimately came out of the house---got in their trucks and took off and the drone was called back as it was running out of fuel.

Fast forward it to a few days later. Osama Bin Laden is trapped at Tora Bora by a contingent of the u s rangers who are desperately begging for reinforcements and aerial strikes---though none materialize and Osam Bin Laden and his team climbing thru the Tora Bora passes disappears into the high mountains.

On both these occasions Gen. Tommy Franks and Mr. Rumsfeld were watching the scenario on live camera and tv broadcast along with many other generals and high ranking politicians.

There might have been other sightings of Osama later by the australians---but no one authorized the team to pull the trigger.

So---the concern occurs that---did the U S let Osama escape intentionally both the times---did this escape have ulterior motives---was this escape planned to push pakistan down in the future---was this escape planned in such a manner to manipulate the situation against pakistan---was this escape planned that if on a future date Pakistan became too demanding and out of control---the Osama card could be played by the U S to neutralize the threat being posed by pakistan in the future. The reason being that having good relations with pakistan was not on the cards of the U S----what had happened was situational and it would not be prolonged after a certain time period.

So---a prop need to be set in place to be pulled down when the time became right to cut off pakistan at its knees. The american president stated in his speeches that Osama Bin Laden's capture was not a top priority---Osama had no stake left in the power projection of al qaeda---Osama had become a nobody---we do not care about Osama---as much as the U S govt was trying to down play the position of Osama amongst the terrorist community---so many RED FLAGS were going up at the same time.

A prudent observer would have started thinking about the deceit and deception being masked behind those statements---a question should have been asked " what the hell is happening over here "----what is happening with the U S----why is the U S making these statements----what is behind this game face---what is the U S trying to do---who is the U S trying to frame---but none came up with those conerns.

That prop became Osama Bin Laden himself---and the U S became the conduit in finding a place for him thru proxy---and there is a very good possibility that Osama had no clue who was behind setting him up or who suggested the place and the location for the house that he lived in---or who pushed and nudged the team to move in Abbotabad location close to the military academy.

The agency playbook states that if you want to hide in the woods---you become a tree---on the side of a mountain---become a rock----and in a city---become a part of one of the houses----and the best place where about and location of the house---close to a police station---military installations or place close or right next to security agencies----living right under their noses and act and mould in the community you are living in.

Osama followed all those rules and guidelines right to the dot.

Knowing the pakistanis----no pakistani would help do that---. They would sell their first born for the 25 million dollars reward.

So---when a phone trace was caught by the ISI and the U S was informed by pak militray about the courier---the U S was in a quandry---what to do---. The action had to be taken---possibly the time was not ripe for the action because there was no end to the game in afghanistan.

So---after the operation ended---even though the media blasted pakistan and every conspiracy theorist blamed pakistan for setting up Osama---the govt of united states kept quiet about the issue---not saying anything----makes you wonder!


Bush Had No Plan to Catch Bin Laden After 9/11 - by Gareth Porter

Osama Bin Laden Escaped in 2001 Because of Donald Rumsfeld: Hilary Clinton - Pakistan Latest News Online!

Complete 911 Timeline: Escape From Afghanistan

Declassified documents shed light on scramble to 'hit' bin Laden before 9/11 – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs

 

[tarrar]

New stories will always surface & US will keep mutating OBL story as per their wishes.

 

[Zarvan]

A few days ago---Hilary Clinton's email information released stated that Gen Tommy Frank and Rumsfeld allowed the escape of Osama Bin Laden fro Kandhar and Tora Bora-----

The loitering armed drone over kandhar had the house on the camera screen where Osama Bin Laden--Mullah Omar and their cohorts were present and the all the concerned generals and staff in the U S military were watching the scenario. The drone loitered around for somewhere around an hour over the house---but no order was given to pull the trigger to launch the missiles to kill the terrorists and the murderer of 3000 american men and women.

The entourage ultimately came out of the house---got in their trucks and took off and the drone was called back as it was running out of fuel.

Fast forward it to a few days later. Osama Bin Laden is trapped at Tora Bora by a contingent of the u s rangers who are desperately begging for reinforcements and aerial strikes---though none materialize and Osam Bin Laden and his team climbing thru the Tora Bora passes disappears into the high mountains.

On both these occasions Gen. Tommy Franks and Mr. Rumsfeld were watching the scenario on live camera and tv broadcast along with many other generals and high ranking politicians.

There might have been other sightings of Osama later by the australians---but no one authorized the team to pull the trigger.

So---the concern occurs that---did the U S let Osama escape intentionally both the times---did this escape have ulterior motives---was this escape planned to push pakistan down in the future---was this escape planned in such a manner to manipulate the situation against pakistan---was this escape planned that if on a future date Pakistan became too demanding and out of control---the Osama card could be played by the U S to neutralize the threat being posed by pakistan in the future. The reason being that having good relations with pakistan was not on the cards of the U S----what had happened was situational and it would not be prolonged after a certain time period.

So---a prop need to be set in place to be pulled down when the time became right to cut off pakistan at its knees. The american president stated in his speeches that Osama Bin Laden's capture was not a top priority---Osama had no stake left in the power projection of al qaeda---Osama had become a nobody---we do not care about Osama---as much as the U S govt was trying to down play the position of Osama amongst the terrorist community---so many RED FLAGS were going up at the same time.

A prudent observer would have started thinking about the deceit and deception being masked behind those statements---a question should have been asked " what the hell is happening over here "----what is happening with the U S----why is the U S making these statements----what is behind this game face---what is the U S trying to do---who is the U S trying to frame---but none came up with those conerns.

That prop became Osama Bin Laden himself---and the U S became the conduit in finding a place for him thru proxy---and there is a very good possibility that Osama had no clue who was behind setting him up or who suggested the place and the location for the house that he lived in---or who pushed and nudged the team to move in Abbotabad location close to the military academy.

The agency playbook states that if you want to hide in the woods---you become a tree---on the side of a mountain---become a rock----and in a city---become a part of one of the houses----and the best place where about and location of the house---close to a police station---military installations or place close or right next to security agencies----living right under their noses and act and mould in the community you are living in.

Osama followed all those rules and guidelines right to the dot.

Knowing the pakistanis----no pakistani would help do that---. They would sell their first born for the 25 million dollars reward.

So---when a phone trace was caught by the ISI and the U S was informed by pak militray about the courier---the U S was in a quandry---what to do---. The action had to be taken---possibly the time was not ripe for the action because there was no end to the game in afghanistan.

So---after the operation ended---even though the media blasted pakistan and every conspiracy theorist blamed pakistan for setting up Osama---the govt of united states kept quiet about the issue---not saying anything----makes you wonder!


Bush Had No Plan to Catch Bin Laden After 9/11 - by Gareth Porter

Osama Bin Laden Escaped in 2001 Because of Donald Rumsfeld: Hilary Clinton - Pakistan Latest News Online!

Complete 911 Timeline: Escape From Afghanistan

Declassified documents shed light on scramble to 'hit' bin Laden before 9/11 – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs

I don't like to believe on conspiracy theories which even deny Osama was their but these new stories would make sure I do start believing that.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Keep in mind Predator UAV's were not armed with Hellfires from day one. It was all experimental tech hastily thrown into the battlefield.

So yeah maybe a drone did see him...but most likely all it could carry back then was a camera. I recall one of their first strikes they hit the car in front of the building they were targeting, So even with a missile in the beginning it was trial and error.

Dec 2001
Battle of Tora Bora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[kasper95]

I can believe US let obl escape to take him down another day ,but to say allowed to escape so that Pakistan can be hurt later is taking it too far.

when they had images of obl in front of them they where looking for timing that will benifit the most and I can assure you Pakistan was not in their minds,Pakistan just happened yo be the wrong person at the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[Maarkhoor]

In any military operation leadership will not be hurt for possible negotiations but when situation clears that enemy is no more threat then leadership will take down. Just like Saddam and his sons in Iraq. Alqaeda was a big terror orgnaisation they are (US) not clear at that time they will succeed or not and for possible negotiations they allow Osama to escape but when it becomes clear Al Qaeda is no more threat then they track and hunt the OBL.
Same case with Taliban and Mullah Omar US deliberately let Mullah Omar run away for possible future negotiations and settlements.

 

[Oldman1]

By the Grace of ALLAH USA has failed to achieve for whatever reason they came to Afghnistan and like every time in the last 50 years they will be going back home like losers with trillions of dollars down the drain and alot of dead soldiers.

Osama is dead. The Taliban hiding in Pakistan and still have not reclaim Afghanistan to rule it. Iraq is not ruled by Saddam. Saddam lost Kuwait in Gulf War. Serbia lost Kosovo during 78 days of bombing. Noriega lost Panama. And ISIS is being pushed back with U.S. led airstrikes. Retaking Ramadi. Mosul is next.

 

[CHD]

Osama is dead. The Taliban hiding in Pakistan and still have not reclaim Afghanistan to rule it. Iraq is not ruled by Saddam. Saddam lost Kuwait in Gulf War. Serbia lost Kosovo during 78 days of bombing. Noriega lost Panama. And ISIS is being pushed back with U.S. led airstrikes. Retaking Ramadi. Mosul is next.

Why dont you go out of Kabul in Afghanistan and you will know wether taliban are hiding in Pakistan or what.Yes IRAQ is nt ruled by sadam as it is ruled now by the Peace keepers ISIS.Only an american would consider this a victory

 

[Chanakyaa]

Osama is dead. The Taliban hiding in Pakistan and still have not reclaim Afghanistan to rule it. Iraq is not ruled by Saddam. Saddam lost Kuwait in Gulf War. Serbia lost Kosovo during 78 days of bombing. Noriega lost Panama. And ISIS is being pushed back with U.S. led airstrikes. Retaking Ramadi. Mosul is next.

Exactly !

Why dont you go out of Kabul in Afghanistan and you will know wether taliban are hiding in Pakistan or what.Yes IRAQ is nt ruled by sadam as it is ruled now by the Peace keepers ISIS.Only an american would consider this a victory

Does "Victory" really matter fr USA ? Depends what "victory" means to you in the first place.

 

[MastanKhan]

Does "Victory" really matter fr USA ? Depends what "victory" means to you in the first place.

Hi,

I think after getting itself humiliated everywhere---at least they want to come out looking better from afghanistan---. It cannot be all leading to failures----.

 

[CHD]

Exactly !



Does "Victory" really matter fr USA ? Depends what "victory" means to you in the first place.

Thier victory was to control Afghanistan with their puppets but their puppets are only limited to Kabul.

 

[MastanKhan]

I don't like to believe on conspiracy theories which even deny Osama was their but these new stories would make sure I do start believing that.

Hi,

This is my analysis----. I had been thinking about that since Osama was allowed to escape multiple times and the U S did not take him out---and I what been wondering----why so. He is responsible for the murder of 3000 + american civilians---that died a horrific death.

If there was one man responsible and if that man was alive---there is no way a U S soldiers facing him would let him escape. That was plain and simple.

But then he escaped---and then the news came out that Tommy Franks did not push the trigger---. By the way---that drone was fully armed at Kandhar----.

Then last year the news cae out that all the senior officers in the theater were watching the live feed from the drone---as well as everyone at the white house as well.

Well---when he escaped in front of our eyes from Tora Bora on live news feed---I stated to myself---there is more to the story that meets the eye. I smelled treason----treachery=---deceit and deceptyion by the americans---and I realized that pakistan is being setup.

I assumed that those on the other side in pakistan would understand the significance of this escape---and if the y find him---would neutralize him.

Well---they did not find him---OBL disappeared---. Later---U S president Bush stated that he is not a target anymore---he is not important anymore---we are not looking for him anymore---and then I had my doubts confirmed----that there is a good chance that the U S is going to use him against pakistan at a given time by finding him somewhere in pakistan and would then blame pakistan for hiding him---and that would come at a time when the U S would want to move away from pakistan.

The reason being that pakistan did not fit into the U S gameplan for the region. But as I pointed out that the pakistanis gave them the lead to the phone number---and then the U S had no choice to move ahead with taking him out---. Gen Kiyani and Gen Pasha agreed---but they did not know that Osama might possibly had been led by the U S intel agy to settle in this region inadvertantly---a game plan was staged and OBL was taken out----.

As the bashing of pakistan started on the news media---the U S govt waited for Gen Kiyani to come out and state openly that we helped carry out the operation---and as Gen Kiyani out of cowardice and fear of his life---kept his mouth shut---the U S govt decided that if the pakistani commander in chief does not care for the image of his country---why wuld the U S govt care about it---.

For that reason---the U S govt did not make any positive or negative statements about this issue and neither did they try to clear up the negatives or pakistan bashing that was carried out by the U S media.


I am writing about it in this manner because just a few days ago Hillary Clinton's email leakage issue came out and stated that Gen Tommy Franks and Rumsfeld decided not to take Osama out at Kandhar and then at Tora Bora----.

Then I started thinking---why would they let him out---if they let him escape---what is the game plan---what are they going to do in the future---. See---Rummy does not play these simple games----and neither does Mr. Chenney----there was an ulterior motive right from the day one of escape---the only that was not decided was when to use his presence to their advantage---.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Creative Americans blamed Pakistan for missed cruise missile stike

A few days ago---Hilary Clinton's email information released stated that Gen Tommy Frank and Rumsfeld allowed the escape of Osama Bin Laden fro Kandhar and Tora Bora-----

The loitering armed drone over kandhar had the house on the camera screen where Osama Bin Laden--Mullah Omar and their cohorts were present and the all the concerned generals and staff in the U S military were watching the scenario. The drone loitered around for somewhere around an hour over the house---but no order was given to pull the trigger to launch the missiles to kill the terrorists and the murderer of 3000 american men and women.

The entourage ultimately came out of the house---got in their trucks and took off and the drone was called back as it was running out of fuel.

Fast forward it to a few days later. Osama Bin Laden is trapped at Tora Bora by a contingent of the u s rangers who are desperately begging for reinforcements and aerial strikes---though none materialize and Osam Bin Laden and his team climbing thru the Tora Bora passes disappears into the high mountains.

On both these occasions Gen. Tommy Franks and Mr. Rumsfeld were watching the scenario on live camera and tv broadcast along with many other generals and high ranking politicians.

There might have been other sightings of Osama later by the australians---but no one authorized the team to pull the trigger.

So---the concern occurs that---did the U S let Osama escape intentionally both the times---did this escape have ulterior motives---was this escape planned to push pakistan down in the future---was this escape planned in such a manner to manipulate the situation against pakistan---was this escape planned that if on a future date Pakistan became too demanding and out of control---the Osama card could be played by the U S to neutralize the threat being posed by pakistan in the future. The reason being that having good relations with pakistan was not on the cards of the U S----what had happened was situational and it would not be prolonged after a certain time period.

So---a prop need to be set in place to be pulled down when the time became right to cut off pakistan at its knees. The american president stated in his speeches that Osama Bin Laden's capture was not a top priority---Osama had no stake left in the power projection of al qaeda---Osama had become a nobody---we do not care about Osama---as much as the U S govt was trying to down play the position of Osama amongst the terrorist community---so many RED FLAGS were going up at the same time.

A prudent observer would have started thinking about the deceit and deception being masked behind those statements---a question should have been asked " what the hell is happening over here "----what is happening with the U S----why is the U S making these statements----what is behind this game face---what is the U S trying to do---who is the U S trying to frame---but none came up with those conerns.

That prop became Osama Bin Laden himself---and the U S became the conduit in finding a place for him thru proxy---and there is a very good possibility that Osama had no clue who was behind setting him up or who suggested the place and the location for the house that he lived in---or who pushed and nudged the team to move in Abbotabad location close to the military academy.

The agency playbook states that if you want to hide in the woods---you become a tree---on the side of a mountain---become a rock----and in a city---become a part of one of the houses----and the best place where about and location of the house---close to a police station---military installations or place close or right next to security agencies----living right under their noses and act and mould in the community you are living in.

Osama followed all those rules and guidelines right to the dot.

Knowing the pakistanis----no pakistani would help do that---. They would sell their first born for the 25 million dollars reward.

So---when a phone trace was caught by the ISI and the U S was informed by pak militray about the courier---the U S was in a quandry---what to do---. The action had to be taken---possibly the time was not ripe for the action because there was no end to the game in afghanistan.

So---after the operation ended---even though the media blasted pakistan and every conspiracy theorist blamed pakistan for setting up Osama---the govt of united states kept quiet about the issue---not saying anything----makes you wonder!


Bush Had No Plan to Catch Bin Laden After 9/11 - by Gareth Porter

Osama Bin Laden Escaped in 2001 Because of Donald Rumsfeld: Hilary Clinton - Pakistan Latest News Online!

Complete 911 Timeline: Escape From Afghanistan

Declassified documents shed light on scramble to 'hit' bin Laden before 9/11 – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs

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Americans are the masters of mindcraft they can pull off a positive story in their favour & they know their mainstream media will sing in unison all in the name of patriotism and “freedom”.

Background

When OBL was first sited during Clinton era,

why wasn’t he targeted?

Apologetic view. Oh the Drones were not armed back then.

Did/ has CIA done all its killing via drones only?

clueless view: ??? what?

Naughty view: Clinton was more interested in getting into the knickers of Monica Lewinsky back then.


(A) Any further apologies/ explanations on this failure?

Hell yea. It was the Pakistanis that made an “untraceable” direct phone call to OBL… warning him about an incoming American Cruise Missile. The Missile which was flying over Pakistani airspace & Pakistan was informed in advance about the intended target. So OBL got off his wife, took a bath, changed clothes, put his shoes on, called his driver , got in his truck and drove away along with his wives, goats and friends and set a new world record of beating a cruise missile. Had the Pakistanis not been informed, they won’t have made the “untraceable” phone call directly on OBL’s satellite phone and he wont have got off his wife, took a bath, changed clothes, put his shoes on and called his driver to drive him away from the Tomahawk missile cruising towards him. Damn the untraceable phone calls and Toyota trucks.

What Helped the Americans to pull of OBL raid and claim sole glory?

The circumstances & personalities in Pakistan.

· A vindictive & petty president.

o President of Pakistan by accident with PPP/ Feudal history of hostility towards PA

· COAS on Weed.

o Clueless, ill-informed, self-serving & docile (as illustrious as Gen Jahangir Karamat). He originally thought the attack was on Pakistani nuclear installations.

· Hateful Haqqani

o More of an American viceroy rather than Pakistani Ambassador with morbid hatred towards Pakistani armed forces & found the chance to score against his most hated Pakistani institution)

What do above 3 have to do with the OBL raid and the fallout and all that?

Zardari/ Haqqani might have had some indication of something happening but information was kept out from COAS. OR, if they didn’t know, their follow-up actions (& words till today) were such that showed that they basked in the joy of seeing Pakistan military being ridiculed and its image tarnished. And Kyani? Well he never knew much and was mostly busy looking for his next cigarette.

Aftermath?

In one stroke the previous failures & mercy dealings were forgotten although the failure in Torabora was borderline treason & malicious when the American forces were told to stand down allowing OBL to escape. Gen Tommy Franks apologizes by blaming the Afghan allies but doesn’t go further.

but this (letting OBL go or stay in mystery) does make sense when you recall the news about OBL’s medical treatment by in American military hospital in Dubai.


The Media adds.

When the American administration graciously “cleared” Pakistani military leadership about knowing / harboring OBL in Abbottabad, another story was spinned saying that maybe middle/ lower ranking officers were responsible for keeping OBL in Abbottabad for 6 or 8 years. (another note for readers ignorant of how military works, no middle or lower ranking officer has any say or prior knowledge about who will come and replace him after 2 years which is maximum stay in one place before his rotation to another station. Expecting a cabal of lower ranking officers keeping it secret for nearly a decade from the rest of the leadership and the world sounds good for movie/ book plot but hard to pull off in reality.


Continue the onslaught on Pakistan for its “deceit” and “double game”. Foreign media discovered a former Pakistani COAS (for few hours) Gen Ziauddin Butt who “speculated” that Gen Mushrraf either “knew” about OBL in Abbottabad and he also mentioned a civil servant Mr shah who was responsible for the housekeeping of OBL. (dear readers, do keep in mind the timeline, Gen Ziaduddin was given the boot as Musharraf took over in 1999 and the OBL raid took place in 2011). Although one can set aside his personal grudge (and chance to settle score ) against Musharraf but one must wonder how he knows all this despite being out of the military for over 10 years?

Did the foreign media not think was he the one who made the “untraceable” phone call to OBL when Clinton was nailing Monica? I mean a TomaHawk was heading towards OBL in Afghanistan?

Another convenient omission made by American narrative is the ISI contribution towards tracking OBL. The Abbottabad place was raided before and found empty but the key lead was provided by ISI when it passed the suspicious movements of the AQ courier. ISI had no prior knowledge of the person outside Pakistan but it was godsend for CIA that had this guy marked outside Pakistan and thus it served as a crucial piece of information. But this breakthrough was not shared with ISI (as the narrative goes).


Other honorable mentions

· What became of OBL’s wife?

o Where is she? What did she say? Did American’s ask for her from Pakistan? Could Pakistan refuse to hand her over after it had been “exposed” sheltering OBL? (as per popular narrative).

· Why no mention of Chinook?

o Yes there was a recovery helicopter sent by Americans (“sans the sexy stealth”) that came to pickup SEAL’s & equipment after the crash? It gets a passing reference in one documentary & audience is left to believe that one “stealth Hawk” was able to carry the crew of two helicopters + intel retrieved + the OBL body.

Some Contradictions

· OBL raid & Benazir’s Comment to Frost

o Ok, not a conspiracy argument but since we are talking OBL, one cant help but recall that short clip where Benazir mentioned the death of OBL and David Frost never interrupted or clarified with her.

o

· American Marine Col Bob Papas claim

o OBL was killed in Tora Bora raid. But the information was kept secret to keep the war going.

· Gen Musharraf maintained that OBL couldn’t survive without dialysis due to his kidney problem and needed constant medical attention so he was in Pakistan (or American hospital in Dubai) all the time and the American drone mistook a goat for OBL during Clinton time and the American special forces were chasing his discarded turban in Tora Bora


Why So sentimental?

a laughable excuse by the American administration about not showing Binladen’s body was that it will aggravate Muslims in the world and will put American lives in danger. Talk about being subtle after invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq leading to the deaths of millions of people though direct military action and decades old sanctions/ blockade of Iraq… the American administration was suddenly worried about the sentiments (and danger to Americans) after killing their prime

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

during Clinton era,

why wasn’t he targeted?

Apologetic view. Oh the Drones were not armed back then.

A few years from now when we have the tech to put lasers on drones you'll be wondering why we didn't use them against Osama in Abbottabad. "Oh sure...you guys didn't have lasers back then...always an apologetic excuse".