Was Mao Zedong Bad

[beijingwalker]

Was Gujarat ever under a dictator? Did the state-sanctioned the riots?
The Commie whataboutery is getting predictable no surprise they invented the term.

China and Chinese nation were lucky to have a Mao, India is unlucky not having one, the difference is clear to see by everyone now.

 

[Chhatrapati]

China and Chinese nation were lucky to have a Mao

Sure you are, I mean, you learned to eat weird things during the great famine and learned that it's better to shoot dissidents. I mean, that is certainly something we want to emulate right now. You're really lucky to have Mao. Unlucky we didn't have one, yet.

 

[peagle]

Was Mao Zedong Bad

Some things can be tricky to judge for different reasons.

He is the father of modern China,
he gave China a new-found self-respect,
he played an important role in the development journey of modern China,
he created a new society, free from the shackles of backward traditions,
and, a lot of other positive things can be attributed to him.

But, as a result of his actions millions suffered and millions died. I suppose the ultimate decision is for the Chinese nation to make, was he worth the price of so much suffering and so many dead.

For me, it was too heavy a price, so on balance I would have to put him in the bad category.

 

[beijingwalker]

Sure you are, I mean, you learned to eat weird things during the great famine and learned that it's better to shoot dissidents. I mean, that is certainly something we want to emulate right now. You're really lucky to have Mao. Unlucky we didn't have one, yet.

Yes, we both agree, that's why Chinese travelers all cry out " I feel so lucky to be born in China!" after visiting India first hand.

 

[Dai Toruko]

Maos own personal doctor revealed after his death that Mao had sociopathic tendencies and was very narsistic.

 

[jamahir]

Was Gujarat ever under a dictator? Did the state-sanctioned the riots?
The Commie whataboutery is getting predictable no surprise they invented the term.

Firstly, about Gujarat and state-sanctioned riots, the Gujarat state government did nothing to arrest rioteers and stop the massacres, all sparked by supposed arson on a train supposedly done by Muslims which turned out not to be so in subsequent scientific investigation.

Secondly, what is your understanding of the word Dictator ? or Fascism ? Do you think Gujarat in 2002 and the whole of India now is under a right-wing dictatorial government which has created human rights concerns in different ways, whether it be through assassination of progressives or not arresting rioteers ( Delhi early 2020 ) or covering up gangrape / torture by upper castes ( Hathras ) or ruling party political leaders taking out rallies in support of gangrapists / torturers ( Kathua ) or jailing progressives on trumped up charges or banning NGOs ?

 

[beijingwalker]

A simple question, why Mao is loved so much in China and hated so much in the west? What did he do to the west?

 

[redtom]

At least we know from these posts that MAO was the man the nobles feared most. They had to use their lack of imagination and their own experience to fabricate MAO's lies.
Their lies are always lacking in creativity.It is hard to imagine that their way to discredit MAO is to create a sex scandal. Countries without civilization and history are so shallow to even discuss politics. I think this is western democracy, freedom makes ordinary people stupid. These people think their ignorance is as important as history.

MAO Zedong is as important in Chinese history as Confucius, the first Emperor of Qin.No one CARES about their sex life.And no one would fabricate sex scandals to discredit them.A politician is judged mainly by his political activities.This is not a third-rate US election.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Firstly, about Gujarat and state-sanctioned riots, the Gujarat state government did nothing to arrest rioteers and stop the massacres, all sparked by supposed arson on a train supposedly done by Muslims which turned out not to be so in subsequent scientific investigation.

Secondly, what is your understanding of the word Dictator ? or Fascism ? Do you think Gujarat in 2002 and the whole of India now is under a right-wing dictatorial government which has created human rights concerns in different ways, whether it be through assassination of progressives or not arresting rioteers ( Delhi early 2020 ) or covering up gangrape / torture by uppercaste castes ( Hathras ) or ruling party political leaders taking out rallies in support of gangrapists / torturers ( Kathua ) or jailing progressives on trumped up charges or banning NGOs ?

Yeah? Then people who got shot and killed must be from a heavenly smite. I'm not here to investigate Gujarat riots, it's been discussed to death by courts, politicians, governments. They arrived at a conclusion, you can read the reports prepared by the following governments.

How's an elected government dictatorial? I don't understand your logic. Just because you don't like some politicians, or a party they don't become Fascist, or Dictator. Are you pretending to be obtuse? Did the communist who engaged in the "genocide" of Dalits in the Manrichjhapi massacre are fascists? By your own logic, Jyoti Basu and Buddhadeb Bhattacharya are genocidal maniacs and fascists? Because the last one oversaw the Nandigram violence.

The ruling government has little control over violent people, so communal violence or caste violence is never sponsored by the state. As for your caste mention, it's interesting how you speak for Dalits and all, then you have a party called CPIM dominated by Brahmins. Not a single Dalit in the Polit Bureau.
Why should India allow foreign NGOs to co-op protests against the Indian government? Do you have any idea what Amnesty did? LOL! Trumped up charges.

A simple question, why Mao is loved so much in China and hated so much in the west? What did he do to the west?

That's because you don't speak ill of Mao or the communist party in China and survive. Give them a choice and see how people would react. That's why you have to censure any such talks against say Tiananmen massacre then you wonder why nobody talks about it. Because it gets censured or worse.

 

[jamahir]

Do you have any idea what Amnesty did?

What did it do ?

LOL! Trumped up charges.

Umar Khalid, Safoora Zargar etc.

As for your caste mention, it's interesting how you speak for Dalits and all, then you have a party called CPIM dominated by Brahmins. Not a single Dalit in the Polit Bureau.

From this 2019 article by Kancha Ilaiah ( himself a Dalit intellectual ) :

The elevation of D Raja to General Secretary of the Communist Party of India(CPI) is a historic step. Raja is not only a well-known national communist leader but also a Dalit leader who rose to the status of a seasoned communist, theoretician and inspirational figure.

The ruling government has little control over violent people, so communal violence or caste violence is never sponsored by the state.

What about Delhi BJP leader Kapil Mishra who incited people to riot with a police officer standing right beside him ? The ruling BJP government has not taken action against him.

 

[hamilcar of carthage]

mao was the stupidest man alive, killing 30 million in famine because sparrows were eating crops and you thought about that in your own stupid sense. He was a dictator listened to no one. People saying he made china are ignorant. Everything that is china, is because of chou en lai. The famine was the reason china was a sh*th*le. There is no difference between mao and chang kai shek, both wanted power, but were not fit for it. I think Chinese should pray to god that they got chou, else they would have been the sick man of asia.

 

[beijingwalker]

Yeah? Then people who got shot and killed must be from a heavenly smite. I'm not here to investigate Gujarat riots, it's been discussed to death by courts, politicians, governments. They arrived at a conclusion, you can read the reports prepared by the following governments.

How's an elected government dictatorial? I don't understand your logic. Just because you don't like some politicians, or a party they don't become Fascist, or Dictator. Are you pretending to be obtuse? Did the communist who engaged in the "genocide" of Dalits in the Manrichjhapi massacre are fascists? By your own logic, Jyoti Basu and Buddhadeb Bhattacharya are genocidal maniacs and fascists? Because the last one oversaw the Nandigram violence.

The ruling government has little control over violent people, so communal violence or caste violence is never sponsored by the state. As for your caste mention, it's interesting how you speak for Dalits and all, then you have a party called CPIM dominated by Brahmins. Not a single Dalit in the Polit Bureau.
Why should India allow foreign NGOs to co-op protests against the Indian government? Do you have any idea what Amnesty did? LOL! Trumped up charges.

That's because you don't speak ill of Mao or the communist party in China and survive. Give them a choice and see how people would react. That's why you have to censure any such talks against say Tiananmen massacre then you wonder why nobody talks about it. Because it gets censured or worse.

Haha, how come our parents who experienced Mao's time taught us to love Mao and they are indeed grateful of Mao? and why the westhated Mao so much? What did he do to the west? Mao was just a foreigner to them, what caused them this much hate?

 

[beijingwalker]

Yeah? Then people who got shot and killed must be from a heavenly smite. I'm not here to investigate Gujarat riots, it's been discussed to death by courts, politicians, governments. They arrived at a conclusion, you can read the reports prepared by the following governments.

How's an elected government dictatorial? I don't understand your logic. Just because you don't like some politicians, or a party they don't become Fascist, or Dictator. Are you pretending to be obtuse? Did the communist who engaged in the "genocide" of Dalits in the Manrichjhapi massacre are fascists? By your own logic, Jyoti Basu and Buddhadeb Bhattacharya are genocidal maniacs and fascists? Because the last one oversaw the Nandigram violence.

The ruling government has little control over violent people, so communal violence or caste violence is never sponsored by the state. As for your caste mention, it's interesting how you speak for Dalits and all, then you have a party called CPIM dominated by Brahmins. Not a single Dalit in the Polit Bureau.
Why should India allow foreign NGOs to co-op protests against the Indian government? Do you have any idea what Amnesty did? LOL! Trumped up charges.

That's because you don't speak ill of Mao or the communist party in China and survive. Give them a choice and see how people would react. That's why you have to censure any such talks against say Tiananmen massacre then you wonder why nobody talks about it. Because it gets censured or worse.

We don't care about Indian leaders the least, although we know they are all miserably incompetent, but that's not our business, why Indians feel so strongly about Mao? because of Maoists?

 

[Chhatrapati]

Haha, how come our parents who experienced Mao's time taught us to love Mao and they are indeed grateful of Mao? and why the westhated Mao so much? What did he do to the west? Mao was just a foreigner to them, what caused them this much hate?

haha maybe because they don't want you to report them and get them killed, what a f'ed up society. Who reports on one's own parents and get them killed by firing squad.

"I warned her: 'If you go against our dear Chairman Mao I will smash your dog head,'" Zhang said, at times reading from his father's testimony. "I felt this wasn't my mother. This wasn't a person. She suddenly became a monster … She had become a class enemy and opened her bloody mouth."
" They beat her, bound her and led her from home. She knelt before the crowds as they denounced her. Then they loaded her on to a truck, drove her to the outskirts of town and shot her.
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[beijingwalker]

haha maybe because they don't want you to report them and get them killed

My parents won't tell me bad things about Mao because they are afraid of being killed? LOl, you are really an eye openers for us to realise how Indians primitive minds work, sooo... funny, you really believe that? seriously?