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Was it actually Pakistan !!!!

I thought I was in 2010. This looks like Dec 2008. My time machine does work. Conspiracy theory for every thing which dos not suit Pakistani interests. Guys seriously get a life.
 
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third eye,

no matter how much you can spin it, you simply cannot deny GoI gained a lot from Mumbai attacks.

Yes it did gain a lot.

1. Two ministers had to resign

2. People came out in droves bad mouthing the govt. and accusing it of being incapable to protect its own citizens.

3. India's image as relatively stable and terror free (apart from Kashmir) area took a beating.

4. Short-term investment loss as many foreign MNCs would have reconsidered their decisions to invest or to send folks to India. My own company was asking me if I intend to delay my vacation untill things cooled down.

5. Millions of dollars worth of loss due to cancellation of tourist bookings.

And I haven't even mentioned the loss of lives and property!:coffee:
 
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Yes it did gain a lot.

1. Two ministers had to resign

2. People came out in droves bad mouthing the govt. and accusing it of being incapable to protect its own citizens.

3. India's image as relatively stable and terror free (apart from Kashmir) area took a beating.

4. Short-term investment loss as many foreign MNCs would have reconsidered their decisions to invest or to send folks to India. My own company was asking me if I intend to delay my vacation untill things cooled down.

5. Millions of dollars worth of loss due to cancellation of tourist bookings.

And I haven't even mentioned the loss of lives and property!:coffee:

The only thing substanial is the criticism that GoI had to face, and even that wasn't too much.
 
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Thanks for the personnel comments.

I didn't doubt the bold part, what I intended to say was that those could hardly be a reason to frame Pakistan.

I am not saying that Indian Government or Indians had a hand in this. All I am saying is that some groups or countries would have benefited from the damaged relation between India and Pakistan.
 
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And if Pakistan had to do this, What Pakistan would have gained !!!

You want to know?


Tell me you want to know.

Do you really want to know???

Alright, evidence that you might understand. Scroll below



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As you can clearly, the bunny has a pancake on his head. The pancake is on his head! HIS HEAD!!! THERE IS A PANCAKE ON IT AND IT IS NOT FALLING OFF!

What more evidence do you need?

I declare myself the winner of this argument.
 
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Mumbai attack was planned and executed by some 'actors' who wanted to derail the Indo-Pak peace process as always. The 2001 attack on the Indian parliament was also a similar derailment process.
These 'actors' have a lot to loose if there is peace between Pakistan and India. If you just calculate which 'actors' benefit the most from the Indo-Pak conflict, you will get the answer. Whenever there was true endeavour on the Indo-Pak sides to settle their differences , something sinister always sabotaged it. History is the witness. I refrain from naming those actors just for the sake of preventing me from being controversial.
 
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Mumbai attack was planned and executed by some 'actors' who wanted to derail the Indo-Pak peace process as always. The 2001 attack on the Indian parliament was also a similar derailment process.
These 'actors' have a lot to loose if there is peace between Pakistan and India. If you just calculate which 'actors' benefit the most from the Indo-Pak conflict, you will get the answer. Whenever there was true endeavour on the Indo-Pak sides to settle their differences , something sinister always sabotaged it. History is the witness. I refrain from naming those actors just for the sake of preventing me from being controversial.

Valid point.

But the Indian POV has been that the host nation of the ' actors' cannot absolve itself of its resonsibility of what its citizens do.

Can a parent absolve themselves of their kids misdemeanours ?
 
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What Indian media says on Mumbai Attack.

The last days of Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) chief Hemant Karkare were probably some of the busiest in his 26-year career in the Indian Police Service (IPS), and apparently tormented as well.

The ATS believed it had cracked the September 29 Malegaon bomb blast case, and about a month ago arrested Hindu extremists in a breakthrough that shocked the nation and added a new twist to the entire discourse on terror and religion.

But as the probe unravelled the alleged plot and the role of some Hindu leaders, the case got caught in the politics of terror and the ATS was at the centre of charges that it was being used as a tool to target the Sangh Parivar amid allegations of illegal detention and torture by some of the 11 arrested for the blast.

The BJP, RSS and VHP leaders, among others from the Hindu nationalist brigade, accused the ATS of being on a witch-hunt, with some even demanding that ATS officers be subjected to a narco-analysis to establish their motives.

No less a leader than the BJP's Prime Ministerial candidate, L K Advani, had demanded a change in the ATS team and a judicial inquiry into the torture allegations made by Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur, a key suspect in the Malegaon case.

The Shiv Sena too had come out in support of the suspects and on Wednesday had threatened in its mouthpiece Saamna that it would publish the names of some ATS officers and shame them as it said they had tortured the Malegaon suspects.

Karkare's own Words

That Karkare was affected by this was apparent when we met at his office on Tuesday to get an update on the probe, less than 36 hours before he was killed. The Indian Express has decided to break the confidence of what was an off-the-record conversation in an attempt to highlight the anguish of the investigators over the currents in which the Malegaon probe was getting caught as well as the larger debate over the politics of terror.

"I don't know why this case has become so political," was one of Karkare's first comments. "The pressure is tremendous and I am wondering how to extricate it from all the politics."

Was the pressure telling on the investigation, what with someone who could be the next prime minister of the country questioning the credibility of the ATS?

"Of course," was the answer. "We are being very very careful. In fact, when we want to question a suspect and if he or she has any Hindutvawadi connections, we make sure once, twice, thrice, that we have enough reason and evidence to even question. Normally it is not like that. We are able to freely question anyone we suspect."


His last visuals as seen on TV showed him working with his men near the VT station, the target of one of the attacks, although it is perplexing at this point in time why such a senior officer ended up getting exposed to a brazen terrorist attack. Initially, he was shown wearing a shoddy helmet normally seen used by constables during riots. A little later, a policeman lowers a flimsy bulletproof vest over his shoulders, one that was obviously of little protection when those fatal shots were fired at him.

The previous evening, hours after our meeting, TV channels had ‘breaking news’ that he had received a fresh death threat from some unidentified caller, apparently in connection with the Malegaon probe. An Indian Express reporter SMSed him asking him if this was true or if he had anything to say. His reply: just a smiley.

Source: Indian Express
Karkare’s response to a death threat: A 'smiley'

For sure source is reliable for Indians. Since its not a Pakistani propaganda which shows the real face of five Indian hindu-extremist who have a solid place in Indian Political scene and what they made Karkare face when he was about to revail and un-ravel their underground terrorist network.

My point is would it be Sensible to say that Pakistan or its extremist elements (as per India) has setup the whole stage and Indian extremists or under-cover terrorists teamed up with them to target one man and kill 160 other of their country? When all the debry is to be thrown over Pakistan!! Would Pakistani elements agree to take all the blame if it was so ??

Or It was the other simple and logical story where Hindu extremist elements made a fake terror attack and got their way paved and then threw all the dirt on Pakistan !!

Two birds with a Single Shot!!

Resulting in:
1- End of Political Dialogues and peace process (which of course they dint like much)

2- Pakistan defamed worldwide.

3- Hatred in hearts of Indian citizens against Pakistan.

4- Another excuse to support more fund allocations for weapons.

5- Excuse to affect alienate Paksitan diplomatically in the world.

6- Effect the American aid in weapons to Pakistan for WOT (the real pain).

7- Excuse to Raise concers over Pakistan as a nuclear threat to India.

8- Excuse to start a media war on Pakistan and its nuclear assets since they would have been avoided if peace process had resumed.

9- Excuse for forming an Agressive strategy against Pakistan's defence deals.

Last but not the Least, If peace process had continued there was a probability for a solution for Kashmir to come up which might be a little or more compromise from India and thats also what was undesired and uncalled for them(Extremists).

And if Pakistan had to do this, What Pakistan would have gained !!!
A bad name by killing a few ordinary citizens and a little more glue to stick the title of terrorists more firmly on its place!!!!!!!!!


Its not about blaming each other which we have already done over a 100 times.

The point is that behind every political or criminal activity there is some one to benefit and it is always carved to throw the debris on some one else. And in this case Pakistan was an easy and obvious target.


when u guys start believe on INDIAN media
indian media says a lot about muslim terrorist and isi
at that time reply coming tht
huuu its an indian media report how will gonna believe

:frown::frown:get well soon
 
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Dont want to say who gained and who lost...only thing matters is India lost the lives of its citizen....a single innconent life is worth more than the entire govt. of India and Pakistan together......just imagine yourself,brothers,sisters or your parents in place of those who got killed by the bullets fired from someone whom they have never harmed or never thought of harming..walking down the stret with their kids they find somone wants to kill them because it will serve the purpose of their masters/handlers.

Mumbai was shocking but nothing new...it had been happening from before...LeT,HM,Huji JeM have been killing innocents in India for several of years in the name of Kashmir freedom...if that is so then why are they killing innocents in other places of India as well instead of just fighting the army ?? they kill hunderds of peopl in different places as well...and where they come from ?? where are their bases ?? where they actively organise their camps ??
Pakistan might not be involved in these acts...but were not they aware their land was being used ?? wasnt it told for last 20 so years about thse camps ?? still they get trained in the same camps and get into thse inhuman acts?? still Indian govt. does not directly blame Pakistan and acepts that they are the non state actors...which might b very well true ..but amazed to see Pakistani members blaming GoI to organise these attacks for their own benfit...the worst to happen to a particular Govt i if thir power is snatche and thats what thy came to the verge of,after the attacks.

The title therad asks 'was it actually Pakistan ??'
The answer might be NO...cause they might be the non state actors of Pakistani soil,which has been accepted by the Pakistani Govt. but still I can see the thread contents focus more on blaming the indian agents than trying to prove that it was not actually Pakistan.
 
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Mumbai attack was planned and executed by some 'actors' who wanted to derail the Indo-Pak peace process as always. The 2001 attack on the Indian parliament was also a similar derailment process.
These 'actors' have a lot to loose if there is peace between Pakistan and India. If you just calculate which 'actors' benefit the most from the Indo-Pak conflict, you will get the answer. Whenever there was true endeavour on the Indo-Pak sides to settle their differences , something sinister always sabotaged it. History is the witness. I refrain from naming those actors just for the sake of preventing me from being controversial.

u have been given opportunity to catch those actors,as our home minister says we have voice transcripts of the handlers and every time proof's are given.ball in ur court dude:mod::mod:
 
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Valid point.
But the Indian POV has been that the host nation of the ' actors' cannot absolve itself of its resonsibility of what its citizens do.
Can a parent absolve themselves of their kids misdemeanours ?

Who is the parent and who are the children here ? These actors are not kids but they run the shots. They are the real parents who like to stay behind the curtain. They run Pakistan from the valley and shadow of death.
Indian government is well aware of the limitation of the Pakistani 'government' and that is also why Indian policy makers do not put too much pressure on the Pakistani 'Government' . In Pakistan , Government is not the supreme entity. There is of course God and " you know who"!
 
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u have been given opportunity to catch those actors,as our home minister says we have voice transcripts of the handlers and every time proof's are given.ball in ur court dude:mod::mod:

We simply do not have the power to prosecute the handlers. Do it if you can. You will be doing us a favour ! However, I doubt that even you would be willing to do it if you knew who they are !
 
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That's a massive apples and oranges comparison, and even that is putting it mildly. What has Pakistan or ISI gained from supporting TTP? In fact they and Pakistan have lost a lot. And for what reason would they support TTP?

This is very different from the above.

That being said, I don't believe ATM that Mumbai attacks was a conspiracy but I would not be surprised if it was.

Its both apples however they seem to be rotten.

And as long as we are going for conspiracy theories.. Lets look what Pakistani army can gain by sponsoring TTP attacks within Pakistan

1. Continued hold on country's defence and foreign policy despite having a democratically elected govt

2. Continued festering of hatred towards India by blaming India for the false flag bomb blasts in Pakistan

3. Getting military aid and equipment from the world on pretext of fighting terror

4. Justification for focussing on TTP and not attacking AT which is considered as a strategic ally

5. Blaming Indian presence in Afghanistan


and I can go on..

So as I said I don't believe that PA is sponsoring TTP attacks in Pakistan but I would not be surprised if it was....
 
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