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What Indian media says on Mumbai Attack.

The last days of Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) chief Hemant Karkare were probably some of the busiest in his 26-year career in the Indian Police Service (IPS), and apparently tormented as well.

The ATS believed it had cracked the September 29 Malegaon bomb blast case, and about a month ago arrested Hindu extremists in a breakthrough that shocked the nation and added a new twist to the entire discourse on terror and religion.

But as the probe unravelled the alleged plot and the role of some Hindu leaders, the case got caught in the politics of terror and the ATS was at the centre of charges that it was being used as a tool to target the Sangh Parivar amid allegations of illegal detention and torture by some of the 11 arrested for the blast.

The BJP, RSS and VHP leaders, among others from the Hindu nationalist brigade, accused the ATS of being on a witch-hunt, with some even demanding that ATS officers be subjected to a narco-analysis to establish their motives.

No less a leader than the BJP's Prime Ministerial candidate, L K Advani, had demanded a change in the ATS team and a judicial inquiry into the torture allegations made by Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur, a key suspect in the Malegaon case.

The Shiv Sena too had come out in support of the suspects and on Wednesday had threatened in its mouthpiece Saamna that it would publish the names of some ATS officers and shame them as it said they had tortured the Malegaon suspects.

Karkare's own Words

That Karkare was affected by this was apparent when we met at his office on Tuesday to get an update on the probe, less than 36 hours before he was killed. The Indian Express has decided to break the confidence of what was an off-the-record conversation in an attempt to highlight the anguish of the investigators over the currents in which the Malegaon probe was getting caught as well as the larger debate over the politics of terror.

"I don't know why this case has become so political," was one of Karkare's first comments. "The pressure is tremendous and I am wondering how to extricate it from all the politics."

Was the pressure telling on the investigation, what with someone who could be the next prime minister of the country questioning the credibility of the ATS?

"Of course," was the answer. "We are being very very careful. In fact, when we want to question a suspect and if he or she has any Hindutvawadi connections, we make sure once, twice, thrice, that we have enough reason and evidence to even question. Normally it is not like that. We are able to freely question anyone we suspect."


His last visuals as seen on TV showed him working with his men near the VT station, the target of one of the attacks, although it is perplexing at this point in time why such a senior officer ended up getting exposed to a brazen terrorist attack. Initially, he was shown wearing a shoddy helmet normally seen used by constables during riots. A little later, a policeman lowers a flimsy bulletproof vest over his shoulders, one that was obviously of little protection when those fatal shots were fired at him.

The previous evening, hours after our meeting, TV channels had ‘breaking news’ that he had received a fresh death threat from some unidentified caller, apparently in connection with the Malegaon probe. An Indian Express reporter SMSed him asking him if this was true or if he had anything to say. His reply: just a smiley.

Source: Indian Express
Karkare’s response to a death threat: A 'smiley'

For sure source is reliable for Indians. Since its not a Pakistani propaganda which shows the real face of five Indian hindu-extremist who have a solid place in Indian Political scene and what they made Karkare face when he was about to revail and un-ravel their underground terrorist network.

My point is would it be Sensible to say that Pakistan or its extremist elements (as per India) has setup the whole stage and Indian extremists or under-cover terrorists teamed up with them to target one man and kill 160 other of their country? When all the debry is to be thrown over Pakistan!! Would Pakistani elements agree to take all the blame if it was so ??

Or It was the other simple and logical story where Hindu extremist elements made a fake terror attack and got their way paved and then threw all the dirt on Pakistan !!

Two birds with a Single Shot!!

Resulting in:
1- End of Political Dialogues and peace process (which of course they dint like much)

2- Pakistan defamed worldwide.

3- Hatred in hearts of Indian citizens against Pakistan.

4- Another excuse to support more fund allocations for weapons.

5- Excuse to affect alienate Paksitan diplomatically in the world.

6- Effect the American aid in weapons to Pakistan for WOT (the real pain).

7- Excuse to Raise concers over Pakistan as a nuclear threat to India.

8- Excuse to start a media war on Pakistan and its nuclear assets since they would have been avoided if peace process had resumed.

9- Excuse for forming an Agressive strategy against Pakistan's defence deals.

Last but not the Least, If peace process had continued there was a probability for a solution for Kashmir to come up which might be a little or more compromise from India and thats also what was undesired and uncalled for them(Extremists).

And if Pakistan had to do this, What Pakistan would have gained !!!
A bad name by killing a few ordinary citizens and a little more glue to stick the title of terrorists more firmly on its place!!!!!!!!!


Its not about blaming each other which we have already done over a 100 times.

The point is that behind every political or criminal activity there is some one to benefit and it is always carved to throw the debris on some one else. And in this case Pakistan was an easy and obvious target.
 
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Well, it makes sense to me. I don't see why India is gonna go around blaming Pakistan's government for being INVOLVED in the attack.

Just because Ajmal Kasab brought Candy Wrappers from Pakistan doesn't mean there is some kind of huge conspiracy by the ISI. What was Pakistan going to gain? Absolutely nothing. What was India going to gain? The ten points stated above.
 
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Well, it makes sense to me. I don't see why India is gonna go around blaming Pakistan's government for being INVOLVED in the attack.

Just because Ajmal Kasab brought Candy Wrappers from Pakistan doesn't mean there is some kind of huge conspiracy by the ISI. What was Pakistan going to gain? Absolutely nothing. What was India going to gain? The ten points stated above.

So you are blaming Indian establishment for organizing Mumbai attacks??

Its a little akin to saying ISI supports TTP and organizes the bomb blasts happeneing all over Pakistan..Isnt it??
 
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So you are blaming Indian establishment for organizing Mumbai attacks??

Its a little akin to saying ISI supports TTP and organizes the bomb blasts happeneing all over Pakistan..Isnt it??

That's a massive apples and oranges comparison, and even that is putting it mildly. What has Pakistan or ISI gained from supporting TTP? In fact they and Pakistan have lost a lot. And for what reason would they support TTP?

This is very different from the above.

That being said, I don't believe ATM that Mumbai attacks was a conspiracy but I would not be surprised if it was.
 
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Well, it makes sense to me. I don't see why India is gonna go around blaming Pakistan's government for being INVOLVED in the attack.

Just because Ajmal Kasab brought Candy Wrappers from Pakistan doesn't mean there is some kind of huge conspiracy by the ISI. What was Pakistan going to gain? Absolutely nothing. What was India going to gain? The ten points stated above.

Ajmal Kasab isn't a kid who crossed the border by mistake and ended up on the Indian side. He was carrying much more Pakistani items than a candy wrapper. And your own govt. has admitted to that. I dont know whose version you want to believe - the conspiracy theorists who say he was picked up in nepal and is actually a Sikh called Amar Singh or your own govt. who agrees that he is from Faridkot in Punjab where his family still resides.

And you are being naive and lacking a perspective on proxy wars, if you think that Pakistan had nothing to gain from 26/11. It served the same purpose as the parliament attack, the Kandahar hijacking and countless other attacks on India. It highlights the Kashmir issue on the international stage. By showing that Kashmir and other territorial disputes were the cause of all these violent attacks, Pakistan wanted to put pressure on India for a quick and favorable solution. Something that goes against India's policy of status quo.
 
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The fact of the matter is someone derailed the peace talks on purpose, especially looking at how the afghanistan war is turning out. Pakistan's booming economy, gwadar port and china. Area was sufficiently stable and that attack triggered a serious danger to Pakistan internally and externally.

Also as I remeber, Soviets tried to make Pakistan and India go to war so it helps their occupation of Afghanistan.

www.outlookindia.com | KGB Diary
 
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The fact of the matter is someone derailed the peace talks on purpose, especially looking at how the afghanistan war is turning out. Pakistan's booming economy, gwadar port and china. Area was sufficiently stable and that attack triggered a serious danger to Pakistan internally and externally.

Also as I remeber, Soviets tried to make Pakistan and India go to war so it helps their occupation of Afghanistan.

www.outlookindia.com | KGB Diary

You gotta be kidding me if you really believe in what you said above in bold. The fact of the matter is that such operations don't happen without tacit state understanding.
 
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Pakistan economy was growing at 5-8% for several years until 2008.
 
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You gotta be kidding me if you really believe in what you said above in bold. The fact of the matter is that such operations don't happen without tacit state understanding.

You seem like a very timid dim witted fellow, Pakistan's economy grew between the range of 6-7% since 2001 and reached 8% or 9% in 2005. It was a very good time and with the utilisation of Gwadar it was about to get better.

Just read Asia 2025, Strategic Importance of Pakistan and other such documents which outlined destruction of Pakistan by 2009/10 and break up of Pakistan.

But Pakistan played the hand it got dealt and turned the tables. Now look at the way things are being done.
 
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Two birds with a Single Shot!!

Resulting in:
1- End of Political Dialogues and peace process (which of course they dint like much)

Peace process was not going anywhere. What was visible was only semantics. Notice, there was never a change in India's stand.

2- Pakistan defamed worldwide.
Before Mumbai Pak was never on anyones top 10 unless the terrorists opinion was taken.

3- Hatred in hearts of Indian citizens against Pakistan.

Didn't need a Mumabi for this. ..already existingfew Indians thought of Pak fondly before Mumbai anyway..

4- Another excuse to support more fund allocations for weapons.

Allocations from whom ? India does not need aid, to buy weapons with your own money no bodys help is needed

5- Excuse to affect alienate Paksitan diplomatically in the world.

Refer reply to point 3 above.

6- Effect the American aid in weapons to Pakistan for WOT (the real pain).

In conseqential, figment of imagination. The aid Pak has got thus far starting before 65 was at Uncle sams terms. It came and stopped as & when it suited him. Pak knows it well.

7- Excuse to Raise concers over Pakistan as a nuclear threat to India.

Refer to reply at pont # 3 above.

8- Excuse to start a media war on Pakistan and its nuclear assets since they would have been avoided if peace process had resumed.

Media war by doing a Mumbai ?? Try another one please. Indian media is sharp, if it decides to go to war it does not need a Mumbai .. Pak knows it.

9- Excuse for forming an Agressive strategy against Pakistan's defence deals.

Before Mumbai India hardly looked kindly at Pak def deals so what different ?


Last but not the Least, If peace process had continued there was a probability for a solution for Kashmir to come up which might be a little or more compromise from India and thats also what was undesired and uncalled for them(Extremists).

Look for another angle. If the J&K prob is to be solved as far as India is concerned, there is only one way.
 
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I am aware of that amongst other things like the pakistani stock exchange being the second fastest growing in the last decade. What I doubt is that being reason enough for somebody to frame Pakistan or Pakistanis.
 
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third eye,

no matter how much you can spin it, you simply cannot deny GoI gained a lot from Mumbai attacks.
 
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You seem like a very timid dim witted fellow, Pakistan's economy grew between the range of 6-7% since 2001 and reached 8% or 9% in 2005. It was a very good time and with the utilisation of Gwadar it was about to get better.

Just read Asia 2025, Strategic Importance of Pakistan and other such documents which outlined destruction of Pakistan by 2009/10 and break up of Pakistan.

But Pakistan played the hand it got dealt and turned the tables. Now look at the way things are being done.

Thanks for the personnel comments.

I didn't doubt the bold part, what I intended to say was that those could hardly be a reason to frame Pakistan.
 
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third eye,

no matter how much you can spin it, you simply cannot deny GoI gained a lot from Mumbai attacks.

.. Or should we say GOP lost a lot due to thoughless actions of its ' non state players' ?
 
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Not one of these threads again!! The Government of Pakistan has admitted that "part of the conspiracy" was hatched in Pakistan. If you have a problem, take it up with your government instead of engaging in insipid conspiracies.

I don't think you people realise that India does not have anything to gain from war. Hostilities between India and Pakistan is not good for the Indian economy. Why would the congress government hatch a conspiracy to blame Pakistan by killing 200 of its own citizens in the financial capital, including some of the biggest industry heads? To shift focus from Hindutva groups? Eh? Congress is in power in India, NOT BJP!!!.

Not only that, killing Israelis, Americans, British citizens as well. You think the GOI can get away with that?

Some of you conspiracy theorists across the border are either slow witted or are suffering from a serious case of "My country is always right" syndrome, otherwise known as Dementia.
 
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