Wahabization-Salafization of Pakistan and Muslim Ummah

[Ali.009]

Wahabi is another school of thought and even before 9/11 I knew some Pakistanis who followed the Wahabi school of thought so you might offend some of our people if you speak against it.

We Muslims should not argue which school of thought is correct because each thinks the way they follow Islam is the correct way. At the end of the day, only thing that matters is that we are Muslims.

Its not so cool they way you are presenting it, probably because you are one of them yourself or probably you are just a kid with extra active hormones speaking who thinks every muslim is a momin. And maybe you just know nothing about sects and their teachings.

Wahabi/Salafi is an extremist school of thought going to extreme and which is far away from any mainstream islamic thoughts. Whole of salafism/wahabism is based on terror and extremism. For them, solution to any problem is killing or massacre, 2 penny wahabi -saudi mullahs issue extremist fatwas every now and then inciting hate and asking people to kill eachother. Just in recent wahabi fatwa where the pathetic mullah asked to execute everyone who donot support gender segregation. Read here :

Saudi religious figure Shaikh Abdul Rahman Al Barrak on Tuesday said that the mixing of genders at the workplace or in educational institutions was religiously prohibited on the grounds that it allowed seeing what must not be seen and engaging in forbidden conversations.

Those who refuse to abide by strict segregation between men and women should be put to death, he said.

However, Kuwaiti scholars said that such an edict could come only from "a senile person or someone who wants to sow sedition in the nation by allowing the killing of innocent people."

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/kuwai...-those-who-refuse-gender-segregation-1.587855

So you see, its not as easy as not to talk about extremism, Whenever there will be a talk about extremism, wahabi and saudis wont be separated from it because thats where it has originated. I personally believe that to eradicate extremism we have to demolish and ban saudi terrorist school of thought known as salafism and also put watch dogs over the saudi funds which arrive into Pakistan to promote their school of thought.

 

[qsaark]

Whenever there will be a talk about extremism, wahabi and saudis wont be separated from it because thats where it has originated.

Extremism started from Wahabi and Saudis? my dear friend, you are talking about a nation who killed three out of four of its first caliphs; who did not even spare the family of its Prophet (PBUH).

 

[BATMAN]

Extremism started from Wahabi and Saudis? my dear friend, you are talking about a nation who killed three out of four of its first caliphs; who did not even spare the family of its Prophet (PBUH).

what is that nation? please share your knowledge... and source of your knowledge?

 

[qsaark]

what is that nation? please share your knowledge... and source of your knowledge?

That nation is Muslim nation; and source of my knowledge is history. For the interest of the new members, I am posting a clip where Mr. Hasan Nisar has shed ample light on this.

 

[Omar1984]

Its not so cool they way you are presenting it, probably because you are one of them yourself or probably you are just a kid with extra active hormones speaking who thinks every muslim is a momin. And maybe you just know nothing about sects and their teachings.

Wahabi/Salafi is an extremist school of thought going to extreme and which is far away from any mainstream islamic thoughts. Whole of salafism/wahabism is based on terror and extremism. For them, solution to any problem is killing or massacre, 2 penny wahabi -saudi mullahs issue extremist fatwas every now and then inciting hate and asking people to kill eachother. Just in recent wahabi fatwa where the pathetic mullah asked to execute everyone who donot support gender segregation. Read here :




So you see, its not as easy as not to talk about extremism, Whenever there will be a talk about extremism, wahabi and saudis wont be separated from it because thats where it has originated. I personally believe that to eradicate extremism we have to demolish and ban saudi terrorist school of thought known as salafism and also put watch dogs over the saudi funds which arrive into Pakistan to promote their school of thought.

I dont follow the Wahabi or Salafi school of thought but I know some Pakistanis who do and they are like every other Pakistani, I dont see them as different from any other Pakistani. There are some Pakistanis who follow this school of thought, they've been following it for decades even centuries.

All I'm saying is that we Muslims shouldn't be fighting with each other over sects or schools of thought. Only the enemies of Muslims benefits if we Muslims fight each other. Muslims should be united, thats the only way we are going to get out of the mess we are in.

 

[Abi]

I do not think very highly of Wahhabism. Their way of thinking and their takfiri mentality is harming the Islamic world. The war on terror is a war on terrorists that subscribe to the Wahhabi school of thought.

9/11, 5/5, the Maridel bombings, al-qaeda, taliban, jundullah, and hundreds of other terrorists, terrorist organisations and terrorist attacks have been caused by wahhabis.

 

[Omar1984]

I do not think very highly of Wahhabism. Their way of thinking and their takfiri mentality is harming the Islamic world. The war on terror is a war on terrorists that subscribe to the Wahhabi school of thought.

9/11, 5/5, the Maridel bombings, al-qaeda, taliban, jundullah, and hundreds of other terrorists, terrorist organisations and terrorist attacks have been caused by wahhabis.

Many Pakistanis also think like you. Most Pakistanis dont follow the Wahabi or Salafi school of thought, most Pakistanis follow the Hanafi school of thought but there are some who follow the Salafi school of thought that Arabs follow, but these are minor issues. We all are Muslims and thats the most important thing.

Whats more of a threat to the Muslim world is Zionists dreaming of destroying Iran or Hindu Brahmin Elite dreaming of destroying Pakistan, thats more of a threat to the Muslim world than schools of thought.

Muslims should be united against the enemies of Muslims.

 

[Hyde]

Tell me a problem, and I'll suggest a solution. I'll hit Google, read 10 different opinions, read a few related texts from the Quran, and make my own judgement.

that would be the most stupiest thing i would ever do. If there are 100,000 websites teaching about Islam there are also 1000 websites working against Islam. I can name lots of websites who are doing nothing but misguiding peoples by misinterperating the verses of the Holy Qur'an. I am not a scholar but i am not stupid either. There are lots of websites being runned by Qadiyani's and other non-muslim elements. Just like we have to find the reliable scholar who could teach us about Islam, we have to find the reliable website who we are sure is not going against the teachings of Islam.

And you are not willing to go to Maulvi's but ready to accept the very same Maulvi's opinion from their website. When you will google something about Islam you are most likely to visit the pages created by Maulvi's. And at one place you are not willing to take any advise from them and second place you are ready to listen to them from their websites and then make a final decision based upon the same Maulvi's opinion who instead of giving you an opinion directly sharing the same opinion on his website?

Going to a Mullah is the lazy, stupid and cowardly thing to do. If you make a mistake, you'll sooner or later see a negating argument for it and then can make your own decision.

I am not asking you and will never ask you to go to Mullah. Only consult with the reliable Mufti's who you think are well educated and can understand your problem and issue a correct Fatwah accordingly. Second option is also available....... you can read the Holy Qur'an and Saheeh Ahadees by yourself and try to find an answer from the Holy Book and the teachings of our beloeved Prophet. But once again let me tell you that during the time of Hazrat Umar R.A. there were large number of Sahabas and as according to Hadeeth all the Sahabas are like stars, whoever you follow you will find guidance but still he (Hazrat Umar R.A) had set certain parameters. There were only very few Sahabas who were ranked as Mufti's and were allowed to Issue a Fatwah. In fact if i am not wrong they were very few..... you can count the number on your fingers. None of the other Sahabas were allowed to issue any Fatwah, and you are saying you will find an answer on google

The teachings of Maulvi's can only be their opinion. It is not a final verdict and if any Muslim takes their opinion as final verdict is the most stupid person i will ever see. You have to understand what does Alim means and what is his rank in Islamic teachings, what does Mufti, Maulvi, Qazi, Mullah, Imam, Shaykh, Mujaddid, Muhaddis, Hafiz, Mujtahid etc etc means and how much knowledge of Islam they have.

Otherwise we have people like Maulana Bijli who passed the edict that all music shops should be shut down by force of the law and we had MMA workers burning CDs and other music related gear. Idiocy supreme.

I don't know Maulana Bijli and i usually pay no attention to Maulana's as long as i am not aware of their background

 

[qsaark]

The war on terror is a war on terrorists that subscribe to the Wahhabi school of thought.

The terrorist subscribe to no School of thought because there aint any School of thought that preaches the killing of innocents even Wahabism. Like any anarchist, these terrorist have their own political or whatever agenda but labeling all of them as Wahabi or Salafi will be incorrect. The Persians and Arabs are traditional rivals and this rivalry has more political and nationalistic roots than religious.

 

[Hyde]

I do not think very highly of Wahhabism. Their way of thinking and their takfiri mentality is harming the Islamic world. The war on terror is a war on terrorists that subscribe to the Wahhabi school of thought.

Your post should be reported:

Terrorists are terrorists. They do not belong to any school of thought. Nobody in Islam preaches/permits suicide bombing or killing of innocent civilians

9/11, 5/5, the Maridel bombings, al-qaeda, taliban, jundullah, and hundreds of other terrorists, terrorist organisations and terrorist attacks have been caused by wahhabis.

I had only heard about 7/7 what is 5/5?

Were you present at that place when Wahhabis were doing all that? or you made a final verdict after watching English news channels?

 

[MilesTogo]

FYI - In this forum we believe that 9/11 was an inside job.

I do not think very highly of Wahhabism. Their way of thinking and their takfiri mentality is harming the Islamic world. The war on terror is a war on terrorists that subscribe to the Wahhabi school of thought.

9/11, 5/5, the Maridel bombings, al-qaeda, taliban, jundullah, and hundreds of other terrorists, terrorist organisations and terrorist attacks have been caused by wahhabis.

 

[MilesTogo]

I agree. Arabs must seriously think about an oil embargo against India for the cause of Kashmir. That will quickly solve the issue without bloodshed.

Many Pakistanis also think like you. Most Pakistanis dont follow the Wahabi or Salafi school of thought, most Pakistanis follow the Hanafi school of thought but there are some who follow the Salafi school of thought that Arabs follow, but these are minor issues. We all are Muslims and thats the most important thing.

Whats more of a threat to the Muslim world is Zionists dreaming of destroying Iran or Hindu Brahmin Elite dreaming of destroying Pakistan, thats more of a threat to the Muslim world than schools of thought.

Muslims should be united against the enemies of Muslims.

 

[FreekiN]

Wahabization-Salafization of Pakistan and Muslim Ummah

Have fun enforcing that. Watch the 'elites' run off to other countries, gigantic projects like the Centaurus be labeled as 'WESTERN DECADENCY', and the US of A sanction the living life out of Pakistan.

Let's be frank guys. A poor country like Pakistan which is having trouble moving up in the progression line will not be able to pull off an enormous task such as implementing, enforcing, spreading Islamic law throughout the land.

Pakistan simply does not have the money, time, and effort to make itself an Islamically propelled state.

The state cannot enforce a person's mind. If they desire in their own minds to do some bad deed then it is as bad as carrying out that bad deed even though the person did not.

Allama Iqbal said it himself CLEARLY that there will be absolutely no religious rule in Pakistan. Then why can we not accept the fact that even if Pakistan was made to be an Islamic ruled country[which it wasn't], it cannot be one?

 

[Omar1984]

FYI - In this forum we believe that 9/11 was an inside job.

Not only in this forum.

AFP: September 11 attacks on US a 'big lie': Ahmadinejad

 

[MilesTogo]

I like his style. Do you have anything latest from him besides his own show "choraha". His show is boring but when he is on other talk shows he's really firing all guns.

That nation is Muslim nation; and source of my knowledge is history. For the interest of the new members, I am posting a clip where Mr. Hasan Nisar has shed ample light on this.

YouTube- Musalmano Ki Tarikh