Visit Of General Solly Zacharia Shoke ,Chief of South African National Defence Force to POF Wah,on24

[Zarvan]

 

[Zarvan]

Visit of Allied Officers From NDU Islamabad to POF Wah on 22-03-2017

 

[tarrar]

I am tired of seeing POF modifying G3 to a different type. Its time for Pakistan to get rid of G3's & go for new modern assault riffles.

 

[denel]

i see there is so much potential to sell so many different types of small field weapons. I see your arms industry stuck in the past for a very long time. Just remember we have so many different arms companies in SA that are now geared for export and R&D.

 

[Skyliner]

1st post picks those two African officials don't have much professional body language. Just saying

 

[denel]

1st two picks those two African officials don't have much professional body language. Just saying

yes, they are bunch of political appointments from ANC's MK cadres. rubbish moves to the top. That is why i left. There is now a fresh air of innovation with the same spirit of the 70/80s/early 90s. I might go back to one of the new innovators.

 

[Bratva]

i see there is so much potential to sell so many different types of small field weapons. I see your arms industry stuck in the past for a very long time. Just remember we have so many different arms companies in SA that are now geared for export and R&D.

@Arsalan

 

[Arsalan]

I am tired of seeing POF modifying G3 to a different type. Its time for Pakistan to get rid of G3's & go for new modern assault riffles.

We are in process of doing exactly that.
I hope you are aware of the ongoing process for replacement of G3 an Type 56 guns. Trials have been concluded and business negotiation are going on. We will hear about the finalized deal soon and will go from there. Also with the up gradation plans at POF, the small arms factory will be taken to the next level.

@Arsalan

i see there is so much potential to sell so many different types of small field weapons. I see your arms industry stuck in the past for a very long time. Just remember we have so many different arms companies in SA that are now geared for export and R&D.

PA and POF are doing just fine as far as small arms are concerned. We have worked extensively in the G3s and have developed variants that meet our requirements and not just those of the army but other LEAs as well. That said, PA and POF are both looking towards the future and plans are in motion to replace the entire soldier level weaponry. We will be replacing our Type 56 and G3s very soon. Trials have been conducted with extensive testing over a period of a year or so. These have concluded now and business negotiation are ongoing. FN SCAR, CZ BERN and ARX from Beretta are very much in picture with CZ BERN and FN SCAR having the most chance. The deal will include ToT, local production and authority and license to make and export these guns to third party. Similarly the hand guns, squad machine guns and other firearms are also being looked at. In short, I see that PA have covered its basis as far as these arms are concerned.

With south Africa we can however work in field artillery, SPH (one was being evaluated) and other such equipment like IFV, tank destroyers with ATGM etc. May see other small weapons like the MGL Milkor (that i am in love with AND we have a few of those) as well but that will be in very small numbers as the bulk of them (for the WHOLE Army and then some) are already being finalized.

 

[tarrar]

We are in process of doing exactly that.
I hope you are aware of the ongoing process for replacement of G3 an Type 56 guns. Trials have been concluded and business negotiation are going on. We will hear about the finalized deal soon and will go from there. Also with the up gradation plans at POF, the small arms factory will be taken to the next level.

As I have heard, Czech & Pakistan have to come to an agreement on full ToT of CZ Bren to Pakistan & FN Scar deal is still going on. Whats the update on FN Scar?

 

[Arsalan]

As I have heard, Czech & Pakistan have to come to an agreement on full ToT of CZ Bren to Pakistan & FN Scar deal is still going on. Whats the update on FN Scar?

BERN is almost finalized in the x39 category.
The x51 category is being lead supposedly by SCAR but there is absolutely nothing official about it as yet. Also the progress have slowed down a lot in last few months. Whether it have something to do with considering other options of it is just about getting the business deal done remains to be seen. One thing that MAY be possible is that since CZ is almost a done deal for x39 category they are now looking to take the x51 category as well. A gun from them was evaluated later on in x51 category for sure and may be it is Pakistani authorities thinking that it is better to deal with one supplier rather than multiple and get a much more lucrative deal. Also note that CZ is an important and strong contender for the sidearm/hand gun category. The second possibility can be the other way around, that, considering that is SCAR is coming in the x51 category (still, there is absolutely no real evidence of it as yet in shape of any agreement or talk) PA is looking at a gun in x39 from the same supplier once made available for the same reason as mentioned above (one supplier). FN is a contender for the LGM category.

To be honest, right now, people are just shooting in the air and it is just one's word against another!! Facebook friends, journalists and what not. While official we stand at a point where a LoU have been signed with CZ. CZ have confirmed that they are going ahead with the deal in x39 category and that a CZ gun was afforded a late evaluation in x51 category too.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

i see there is so much potential to sell so many different types of small field weapons. I see your arms industry stuck in the past for a very long time. Just remember we have so many different arms companies in SA that are now geared for export and R&D.

Denel will likely make way more out of Pakistan's armoured vehicles, artillery, air-to-ground munition, air-to-air munition and surface-to-air munition needs. It would be interesting though if Denel, Paramount, PAC, GIDS, ID, etc, can collaborate (bilaterally or multilaterally) on UAVs, light aircraft, aerostructure work (e.g. composites), etc.

 

[Super Falcon]

I am tired of seeing POF modifying G3 to a different type. Its time for Pakistan to get rid of G3's & go for new modern assault riffles.

Yes without any reason how much u modified it won't go to off it's limits

 

[Arsalan]

Denel will likely make way more out of Pakistan's armoured vehicles, artillery, air-to-ground munition, air-to-air munition and surface-to-air munition needs. It would be interesting though if Denel, Paramount, PAC, GIDS, ID, etc, can collaborate (bilaterally or multilaterally) on UAVs, light aircraft, aerostructure work (e.g. composites), etc.

Sir jee collaboration at this level, cooperation at such high tech things like light fighters and combat UAVs, information and technology sharing on these and co development needs serious diplomatic clout and persuasion. Sadly, our current political leadership is more concerned about Panama than about Pakistan and in this scenario I do not see us being able to convince a country like South Africa (with serious Indian influence) to co-develop such equipment. However stranger things have happened and you never know, but logically speaking, looking at the things at hand, I would say that IFVs, APC, artillery is pretty much all we can work on.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Sir jee collaboration at this level, cooperation at such high tech things like light fighters and combat UAVs, information and technology sharing on these and co development needs serious diplomatic clout and persuasion. Sadly, our current political leadership is more concerned about Panama than about Pakistan and in this scenario I do not see us being able to convince a country like South Africa (with serious Indian influence) to co-develop such equipment. However stranger things have happened and you never know, but logically speaking, looking at the things at hand, I would say that IFVs, APC, artillery is pretty much all we can work on.

Just set the expectation and keep repeating it. You never know, some important people might pay heed.

 

[Arsalan]

Just set the expectation and keep repeating it. You never know, some important people might pay heed.

It hoping against hope sir. But as i also said, YOU NEVER KNOW!!

Anyway, for now, this remains a good will visit with Pakistan military top brass showing the delegation various products and the facilities where they are being manufactured. In FUTURE we may see some further collaboration with SA on defense matters and production.