Vietnam's artificial island in SCS washed away by typhoon

[kankan326]

 

[Dungeness]

Land reclamation is not as easy as it seems in SCS. You need big tools to match your big desire. Wondering why they chose typhoon season to do that.

 

[Aepsilons]

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Any casualties?

 

[Place Of Space]

Where is China Coast Guard? Stop them!

 

[Viet]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ...where is it?

 

[Aepsilons]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ...where is it?

Hmm, paracels.

 

[Viet]

Hmm, paracels.

unlikely, more spratlys. our people need to learn from our chinese brothers. concrete, cement, steel, etc...these things matter. can Japan help?

imagine: Japan warships dock on VN ports midst of ocean

 

[sword1947]

unlikely, more spratlys. our people need to learn from our chinese brothers. concrete, cement, steel, etc...these things matter. can Japan help?

imagine: Japan warships dock on VN ports midst of ocean

the very first thing is you should know how much money you have, then you can learn from us. by the way, ask japs whether they will give you warship for free

 

[Aepsilons]

unlikely, more spratlys. our people need to learn from our chinese brothers. concrete, cement, steel, etc...these things matter. can Japan help?

Could be. What is clear, tho, from analyzing is that the way your side tried to dredge islands -- did not take into consideration the mechanics of sand, and the application of structural flaw of sand, erosion. This is one of the reasons why when Japan engaged in island genesis programs (in past and present) we tend to fortify the perimeter with materials such as mortar, concrete, steel, and expansive materials that considers the climate and the humidity of the environment. Perimeter should be reinforced first prior to dredging sand into the center, as in this case:

The reason why perimeter reinforcement is required with concrete , rocks, and imported boulders, is to prevent newly dredged sand from eroding back into the ocean from whence it came. After that is done, the central newly dredged land can be further fortified by concrete structures, and repetitively reinforced. Due to the perpetuity of man made islands, it requires constant reinforcement , give we cannot ignore the factors of typhoons, sand erosion, and concrete breakage.

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@Viet

Notice , in Japanese civil engineering of man made islands, perimeter reinforcement and structural composition is prime and key. Longevity of such man made islands requires one to utilise various materials engineering structures to prevent erosion and sinkage.

Anyways, for illustration i will post Japanese island genesis styles:

the very first thing is you should know how much money you have, then you can learn from us. by the way, ask japs whether they will give you warship for free

a robust island genesis program for Viet Nam need not be too expensive. To construct large military fortified islands on their various holds --- lets say 5 --- would be an investment of at least $2 Billion. They can stretch it out in 5-10 years time. Other than that, once islands are reclaimed , and dredged into existence, all they have to do is maintain reinforcement.

If their government can raise additional spending on naval super structure maintenance cost, then they can do it. An additional $2-5 Billion for their navy is possible, and very affordable.

All they have to do is arm each major military installation island with a battery of S-400s, and the island has relatively air impregnable. That, with coastal anti ship batteries can negate encroachment of foreign navies, i think. This need not be against just 'PLAN', but also against Philippine Navy, US Navy, heck even Japanese Navy, too.

Let's be clear the Viets are not stupid; they are , as we speak, learning from Chinese methods. They are an adaptive bunch, these Vietnamese....

 

[xunzi]

 

[Viet]

Could be. What is clear, tho, from analyzing is that the way your side tried to dredge islands -- did not take into consideration the mechanics of sand, and the application of structural flaw of sand, erosion. This is one of the reasons why when Japan engaged in island genesis programs (in past and present) we tend to fortify the perimeter with materials such as mortar, concrete, steel, and expansive materials that considers the climate and the humidity of the environment. Perimeter should be reinforced first prior to dredging sand into the center, as in this case:

The reason why perimeter reinforcement is required with concrete , rocks, and imported boulders, is to prevent newly dredged sand from eroding back into the ocean from whence it came. After that is done, the central newly dredged land can be further fortified by concrete structures, and repetitively reinforced. Due to the perpetuity of man made islands, it requires constant reinforcement , give we cannot ignore the factors of typhoons, sand erosion, and concrete breakage.

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@Viet

Notice , in Japanese civil engineering of man made islands, perimeter reinforcement and structural composition is prime and key. Longevity of such man made islands requires one to utilise various materials engineering structures to prevent erosion and sinkage.

Anyways, for illustration i will post Japanese island genesis styles:

a robust island genesis program for Viet Nam need not be too expensive. To construct large military fortified islands on their various holds --- lets say 5 --- would be an investment of at least $2 Billion. They can stretch it out in 5-10 years time. Other than that, once islands are reclaimed , and dredged into existence, all they have to do is maintain reinforcement.

If their government can raise additional spending on naval super structure maintenance cost, then they can do it. An additional $2-5 Billion for their navy is possible, and very affordable.

All they have to do is arm each major military installation island with a battery of S-400s, and the island has relatively air impregnable. That, with coastal anti ship batteries can negate encroachment of foreign navies, i think. This need not be against just 'PLAN', but also against Philippine Navy, US Navy, heck even Japanese Navy, too.

Let's be clear the Viets are not stupid; they are , as we speak, learning from Chinese methods. They are an adaptive bunch, these Vietnamese....

Nice. This is the way to go. Learning from the best. Revolutionary leader Ho Chi Minh once sent students to Japan to explore the ways how to defeat the French in Indochina. He very much admired Japan how a Asian country defeated a white nation, which is Russia.

 

[Jlaw]

the very first thing is you should know how much money you have, then you can learn from us. by the way, ask japs whether they will give you warship for free

Why would China teach these Viets how to do land reclamation. That would be not make sense.

 

[dichoi]

sea level can be up and down, there is in our hands.

 

[sword1947]

Could be. What is clear, tho, from analyzing is that the way your side tried to dredge islands -- did not take into consideration the mechanics of sand, and the application of structural flaw of sand, erosion. This is one of the reasons why when Japan engaged in island genesis programs (in past and present) we tend to fortify the perimeter with materials such as mortar, concrete, steel, and expansive materials that considers the climate and the humidity of the environment. Perimeter should be reinforced first prior to dredging sand into the center, as in this case:

The reason why perimeter reinforcement is required with concrete , rocks, and imported boulders, is to prevent newly dredged sand from eroding back into the ocean from whence it came. After that is done, the central newly dredged land can be further fortified by concrete structures, and repetitively reinforced. Due to the perpetuity of man made islands, it requires constant reinforcement , give we cannot ignore the factors of typhoons, sand erosion, and concrete breakage.

----

@Viet

Notice , in Japanese civil engineering of man made islands, perimeter reinforcement and structural composition is prime and key. Longevity of such man made islands requires one to utilise various materials engineering structures to prevent erosion and sinkage.

Anyways, for illustration i will post Japanese island genesis styles:

a robust island genesis program for Viet Nam need not be too expensive. To construct large military fortified islands on their various holds --- lets say 5 --- would be an investment of at least $2 Billion. They can stretch it out in 5-10 years time. Other than that, once islands are reclaimed , and dredged into existence, all they have to do is maintain reinforcement.

If their government can raise additional spending on naval super structure maintenance cost, then they can do it. An additional $2-5 Billion for their navy is possible, and very affordable.

All they have to do is arm each major military installation island with a battery of S-400s, and the island has relatively air impregnable. That, with coastal anti ship batteries can negate encroachment of foreign navies, i think. This need not be against just 'PLAN', but also against Philippine Navy, US Navy, heck even Japanese Navy, too.

Let's be clear the Viets are not stupid; they are , as we speak, learning from Chinese methods. They are an adaptive bunch, these Vietnamese....

first, how could you know they can get S-400? you work for Russian?
second, if we really beat their axs, PLAN will be just a supporter, the main force will be the army and rocket force

Why would China teach these Viets how to do land reclamation. That would be not make sense.

relax, man. they dont have toys like us

 

[xunzi]

unlikely, more spratlys. our people need to learn from our chinese brothers. concrete, cement, steel, etc...these things matter. can Japan help?

imagine: Japan warships dock on VN ports midst of ocean

Tell me, my friend. Why do you want to build islands in the SCS?