Vietnam urges Japan to stop the Chinese in the South China Sea

[Feng Leng]

Nonsense. The article says It is China that blinks. Granting Japan this and that. The Japanese only agree to establishing of a telephone line. really embarrassing for all people of China.

LOL at monkey IQ. China grabbed the Senkaku Islands from Japan in 2010. After 8 years of being sore about it, now the Japanese agree to the status quo. Victory goes to China.

Would you be willing to agree to the status quo in Paracels?

Firing ballistic missiles at japan automatically brings in USA.Japanese naval industry as well as south korea's is very active and strong and japan is still among top 5 economies,it just doesn't use much of its military budget.If it wanted it could have a 100 billion dollar budget and nukes within a couple of years.Till now only china has modernized rapidly,japan hasn't done much..but recently there are some stirrings with increases in military budget and helicarriers being converted to f-35 carriers in amendment of constitution.Whether their fighting days are over will depend on if they feel threatened,senkaku islands is just a island in the middle of the sea,but if the japanese feel their homeland under threat they would fight and japan despite its size is more efficient and disciplined than chinese.A large part of chinese fleet ,especially subs is obsolete.Japan trains regularly with NATO navies and throughout the cold war was tasked with defeating soviet pacific fleet .Its by no means a green navy,its staff regularly studies at USN colleges.They still might lose but PLAN would take horrific losses too.

LOL first you say Japan is strong then you USA will protect Japan. So if they are so strong why do they need protection from USA?

It doesn't matter how many troops you have ,because in case you forgot japan is an island.PLAN has pathetic amphibious capability - can transport a couple of divisions at most - its not even sufficient to take taiwan.If you think you can invade japan with those landing boats in the teeth of land based missiles and aircraft and the japanese navy you are delusional.

LOL name me three countries with better amphibious capabilities than China.

PLAN anti submarine warfare capability is very weak.22 japanese soryu and upgraded oyashio would be a nightmare.Japan's industrial capacity is also good,though not as good as yours.They haven't begun a rapid naval rearmament program like yours,if they wanted to they could double their navy in a decade.
And when you brag about industrial capacity always remember no matter how big it is its still no match for japan's big daddy usa.USN is still daddy of PLAN even if you built 100 ships.With 11 supercarriers,10 plus helicarriers,70 plus aegis destroyers,25 odd aegis cruisers,60 state of the art SSNs its a hopeless fight.USN could not only decimate your navy from underwater ,it cut off your oil supplies from middle east at will and blockade you.Your big destroyers and cruisers are helpless against a combined 100 crack submarine flotilla of USN and JMSDF,even if keep the massive US surface fleet out of the equation.

LOL what does this conversation have to do with USA? Trump is great friends with Chairman Xi. If anything, USA will ally with China to invade Vietnam and India.

The scene is similar to 1938 Europe, when one country was making (territorial) demands that others were accommodating to the extent possible. Then the others had enough.They joined together & put Hitler in his place, to shoot his head off. In the present SCS case, only an alliance could do the job. Same should be dome on the border that is shared by a dozen others.

Are you referring to what is happening to India where Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Maldives, Bangladesh, Burma and Bhutan are all joining China to gangbang India?

 

[IblinI]

Japan can revive the military might of a Samurai. There is little doubt about it. The Chinese are not known as martial race, but the men of Japan. Money, good food, good life, hubris, no allies, all combined will ruin the PLA.

Wake up, this world doesn't run this way, stop deluding yourself, giving out carpet statement like that change even a tiny bit of reality?Mr Santa Claus Viet.

 

[Feng Leng]

Here they go again, making up lies in order to uplift their artificially built up pride.

Senkaku islands belong to Japan.

LOL Senkaku islands belonged to Japan but we grabbed it in 2010. Now the Japanese have surrendered and ceded the islands to China.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...al-maritime-mechanism-avoid-military-clashes/

9 dash line is invalid in our view, which to be frank, is more logical than the PRC view. Vietnam and the Philippines are strategic partners of Japan, if you haven't noticed, then you haven't been paying attention, or just lying out of loyalty for PRC propaganda cause, sometimes is hard to tell which. If China tries to forcibly remove those countries off from their features in the SCS, then Japan will come to their aid. As long as China is deterred from taken full control of the SCS by force, then the only border between China and Vietnam is the land border, in which case, Vietnam can deter on its own.

LOL if India think the 9 dash line is invalid, then we nuke New Delhi. Nobody is allowed to question Chinese supremacy.

Also, Taiwan also does not belong to China. If China tries to forcibly put Taiwan governance under the PRC CCP rule of government, Japan will aid Taiwan in defense.

Japanese ASW is superior to PLAN. F-35B Izumo would be superior to ski-jump J-15 carriers. Soryu subs are superior to PLAN diesel subs. Chinese seem eager to reawaken Japanese fighting spirit with their over confidence. They need a chill pill, seriously, some think Japan conceded the Senkaku islands. Chill pill is desperately needed; they formulate new opinions and arguments based on fantasy. China should form a fair and respectable compromise on the SCS and Taiwan.

Again, if you don't obey us, then we nuke New Delhi because we are the rulers of the Eastern Hemisphere.

 

[Viet]

The country known as not martial race intentionally attacked your contry and slautered your race for hundreds of times. The only time you dared to attack us was in Song dynasty 1000years ago. Your race has no ball to attack us for about 1000years,and we attack you countless times. Your definition of martial is interesting.Moreover, I canot agree any colony called itself men.
As I said,we donnot care VN and Japan together, two losers still losers

Good that you mentioned Vietnam’s preemptive strike on the Song army. That proves we are capable to strike deep into Chinese territory by land and sea forces. I think one time is enough to make the statement.

The Japanese can do multiple times.

 

[TaiShang]

The new normals:

East China Sea patrols over the disputed islands and around Okinawa have become regular.

South China Sea patrols over the features and the adjacent waters have become regular.

Air and naval patrols around Taiwan province have become regular. Yesterday, another "partner" of ours just changed diplomatic recognition to Beijing. We know where we come from, and we know where will will end up with. And that's definitely not a former occupier residing in Tokyo

Japan has become extremely meek and seeking access to China's market as well as markets opened by by China via the Belt and Road.

Tokyo has also given de facto leadership of the Korean question to Beijing, rightfully, seeing that only Beijing is capable of peace and security in the region, which includes Japan.

I think, unlike what foreigners think, the underlying communication between China and its historical extensions such as Japan and Vietnam is healthier than ever before.

Especially when you have a deranged US regime throwing tantrums at their weak subjugated allies such as Japan and Germany, then, it does not take much effort for Beijing to try to look nicer than it is.

Even Mr. Kim looks more presidential than the US regime figurehead.

Beijing wins even without doing anything.

The world was going to end after the PH "won" at the Kangaroo Court. Guess what? It did not end. In fact, China has signed more military agreements with the region than it did before.

Perhaps China should have more "losses" like this.

I am happy to break the news to our former extension Vietnam. No body will die for you. Japanese will die for Toyota, not for you. And, as we speak, Toyota has been investing heavily on Mainland plants to export cars from there

 

[Feng Leng]

Japan can revive the military might of a Samurai. There is little doubt about it. The Chinese are not known as martial race, but the men of Japan. Money, good food, good life, hubris, no allies, all combined will ruin the PLA.

LOL are you suggesting Viets are a martial race? How did PLA slaughter 100,000+ Viet civilians (not even counting military) in just 28 days in 1979?

 

[Viet]

LOL are you suggesting Viets are a martial race? How did PLA slaughter 100,000+ Viet civilians (not even counting military) in just 28 days in 1979?

You are not of martial race, Chinese army is a terror organization.

 

[Suika]

Good that you mentioned Vietnam’s preemptive strike on the Song army. That proves we are capable to strike deep into Chinese territory by land and sea forces. I think one time is enough to make the statement.

The Japanese can do multiple times.

Viet, this is my last post on these boards. I intended to not post again quite some time ago but still felt a little more posting would be worthwhile. There are too many trolls on these boards. I think I have made enough posts to indicate, not to the trolls, but to others that Nippon will continue to cooperate with the various other countries that have security concerns because of China. The trolls here are no longer worth my attention, no longer worth spending energy to provide them a voice of opposition to their hardcore nationalistic. I say "provide" because they just take the opposition voice and troll over it and use strength in numbers to present an impression of winning the debate. They aren't interested in learning about actuality or learning about how to meet in the middle for resolution, they just want to distort reality and portray themselves as winners, and push for winning in expansionism. I'd rather just let them consume themselves with their idiocy. The longer they go without an opposition voice, the deeper they go into ignorance. So let them I will do. So for up until now, cám ơn. さよなら PDF.

 

[bbccdd1470]

Invited.. what a nice word, did you invite them to nuke your cities?

You are a whiteman's slave and if the shoe fits, wear it.

He is no Japanese, his word doesn't count as the opinion from Japan. As other members have already mentioned some foreigners want Japan and China to fight each other for their own gains.

 

[Kai Liu]

Forget about Japan. Within 10 years, half the pacific will be ours, even your daddy america won't be able to save you! haha...

ACs:
1st one: (active)

2nd one: (sea trial)

3rd one: (under testing for radar and electronics) likely under construction already:

And many more ACs to come...

40+ 7,000~13,000 tons DDGs ready within next 5 years (Type 052C (6), 052D (20+), 051C (2), 055 (8+), Sovremenny-class (4), etc...):

Type 055 (13,000 tons)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_055_destroyer

Type 052D (7,500 tons)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_052D_destroyer

Type 052C (7,000 tons) , etc:

32 type 054 frigates (4,000 tons) nearly completed, with 054B on the horizon:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chin...ontinued-total-production-of-32-ships.558961/

Numerous(~60, 40 completed) type 056 corvette (1,500 tons) :

70+ nuclear subs, AIP subs, etc

numerous Landing ships, etc
Type 071 (25,000 tons)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_People's_Liberation_Army_Navy_ships

And so on...

 

[Kai Liu]

Con't...

15 DDGs being built simutaneously:
Dalian Shipyard 5×052D (7,500 tons) + 3×055 (13,000 tons) DDGs (April 2018)

Jiangnan Shipyard 4×052D (7,500 tons) + 3×055 (12,000 tons) DDGs (Feb 2018)

And don't forget our mighty air force! (currently with 1000+ 4th/5th Gen fighter Jets, and will reach 2,000+ within one decade...);

And our 300 Megaton thermal nuclear war head, world's third largest nuclear arsenal! and numerous DF BMs...

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chinas-294-megatons-of-thermonuclear-deterrence.107079/

Welcome to the sea bottom of SCS...

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Then why did you question Japanese land force could be capable of defeating the PLA in the first place? Nobody here is even claiming of invading Japan, if such a simple logic is too difficult for you low IQ slumdogs to understand then i rest my case. But don't compare the pathetic Japanese land force with the PLA, it's a joke. The Americans call the Korean War a FORGOTTEN WAR for a reason after their pathetic retreat to the South.

Lets see if USA dares to wage a trade war against China first before opening that smelly mouth of yours and deciding that China would be the one losing. So far nothing much has happened, if US could win it so easily it would have launched the trade war without a second thought. As for US Navy well we can see how things could change in 30-40 years from now. Right now USN has the capability to cut off oil supply in the ME or Indian Ocean that is something we all are aware of you think i don't know? This does not change the fact the Japanese Navy is still no match for PLAN.

I never questioned JMSDF land forces as more powerful,read the thread carefully.WAZ said japan was in no position to fight.I said maybe their land forces,but thier navy is very strong.Do you understand what that means,it means i agree their land force is a purely defensive force not capable of fighting china in anything more than defensive capacity.But their navy,especially those 22 submarines will make life hell for PLAN.

15 DDGs being built simutaneously:
Dalian Shipyard 5×052D (7,500 tons) + 3×055 (13,000 tons) DDGs (April 2018)

Jiangnan Shipyard 4×052D (7,500 tons) + 3×055 (12,000 tons) DDGs (Feb 2018)

And don't forget our mighty air force! (currently with 1000+ 4th/5th Gen fighter Jets, and will reach 2,000+ within one decade...)


Welcome to the sea bottom of SCS...

Without good ASW ability all of these would be sunk at will by 100 Submarine flotilla of japan and us navy.Both your land based missiles and aircraft would be useless against them.Just the 20 odd virginia and seawolf class SSNs which is 1/3rd of USN can sink whole of chinese navy sub fleet .

 

[Viet]

Viet, this is my last post on these boards. I intended to not post again quite some time ago but still felt a little more posting would be worthwhile. There are too many trolls on these boards. I think I have made enough posts to indicate, not to the trolls, but to others that Nippon will continue to cooperate with the various other countries that have security concerns because of China. The trolls here are no longer worth my attention, no longer worth spending energy to provide them a voice of opposition to their hardcore nationalistic. I say "provide" because they just take the opposition voice and troll over it and use strength in numbers to present an impression of winning the debate. They aren't interested in learning about actuality or learning about how to meet in the middle for resolution, they just want to distort reality and portray themselves as winners, and push for winning in expansionism. I'd rather just let them consume themselves with their idiocy. The longer they go without an opposition voice, the deeper they go into ignorance. So let them I will do. So for up until now, cám ơn. さよなら PDF.

I can understand if you want to leave this forum. Like many others including Viet members. You are right with Chinese ignorance and arrogance. I have the same feeling. But at the end of the day I consider my contribution on this forum as brain gymnastics exercises slapping chinese ignorance and arrogance.

That’s worth my time

 

[Kai Liu]

Without good ASW ability all of these would be sunk at will by 100 Submarine flotilla of japan and us navy.Both your land based missiles and aircraft would be useless against them.Just the 20 odd virginia and seawolf class SSNs which is 1/3rd of USN can sink whole of chinese navy sub fleet .

Why you think we don't have good ASW ability?? Who told you that? Besides our subs, on-board anti-sub missiles on the surface ships and anti-sub helicopters, etc., we also have numerous anti-sub planes comparable to P3C:

Japan dare not to get involved due to our 300 Megaton thing which could bring back their painful memories; and you brought out your america master again, nice! At this moment your master might be able to help you a little, but won't for long, I say within 10 years, your america master will have to get out of west pacific and SCS... and leave a bunch of stray dogs for us to slaughter... Haha...

 

[rott]

You jump from backward China to the biggest street dog scaring other small dogs, from mighty Kim to occupied Japan to master America in one breath. Respect.

Ever considered the other scenario around? China goes back in time from the master of universe to a street cleaner?

We have seen much of your hubris thru history that ends many times in disaster.

Ah, the Vietnamese people in Japan stage again this year Festival in Tokyo. Chinese tourists are welcome.

Beautiful people of Japan

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Japan can revive the military might of a Samurai. There is little doubt about it. The Chinese are not known as martial race, but the men of Japan. Money, good food, good life, hubris, no allies, all combined will ruin the PLA.

The Japanese people in Vietnam will stage again a Summer festival in Hanoi this year

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Tell Suika to pull down his pants and you can kiss it.