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Vietnam urges Japan to stop the Chinese in the South China Sea

Wow, 7 pages for just 1 day. Seem like Cnese here so scared that JP will rape them again after WW2, so they crying till 7 pages. Cant stop laughing :lol:

Unit 731 still make nightmare for every dumb Cnese here :laugh:
 
Without good ASW ability all of these would be sunk at will by 100 Submarine flotilla of japan and us navy.Both your land based missiles and aircraft would be useless against them.Just the 20 odd virginia and seawolf class SSNs which is 1/3rd of USN can sink whole of chinese navy sub fleet .
Useless statement, just because he posted some DDG pics, does it mean PLAN focus on surface fleet only?
 
Why you think we don't have good ASW ability?? Who told you that? Besides our subs, on-board anti-sub missiles and anti-sub helicopters, we also have numerous anti-sub planes like P3C:

Japan dare not to get involved due to our 300 Megaton thing which will bring back their painful memories; and you brought out your america daddy won't help you for long, within 10 years, your america daddy will have to get out of west pacific and SCS... Haha...

Japan gets involved if US gets involved,they have a defence pact.You use nukes and US nuclear arsenal is ten times as strong as yours.Japan if it wanted to could get nukes in a year.
Your ASW capability is quite substandard compared to your surface attack fleet.Bulk of your subs are old or noisy and even the kilo,TYPE 93 and yuans are absolutely no match for virginias or seawolfs which are slightly better than even latest russian yasen class.The latest type 95 are only akula level in terms of noise.You look at the latest block V virginia with that level of stealth and armed with 40 tomahawks plus 25 torpedoes and SUBROC/mines.Each of these ships is capable of causing devastating carnage.

Only 12 of the latest destroyers (52c and 52d) and last 10 type 54a have towed array sonars which is critical tech and even then this is only the first ever towed array sonar ever built in china .All other ships have passive sonars and mostly either directly imported french equipment or copied stuff from 80s and 90s.You expect to hunt virginias with this?
Your navy doesn't seem to even care about ASW,so obsessed they are with american carriers - look at the latest ships - your type 52D destroyers have only one ASW helicopter.Even the old delhi class destroyers we built in 90s have 2 ASW helicopters because that gives double coverage if both available and 1 helicopter is always in the air.This is because we understood threat of PN submarines.Your navy hasn't bothered to equip its best ships with huge size with more than 1.All indian destroyers have 2 helicopters for comprehensive ASW capability.

The other important component of ASW is to have a good ASW corvette/frigate.A cheap ship for patrolling because large capital ships can't be overburdened and risked without cover.For this PLAN uses type 056 corvette.This is a cheap ship with some firepower but not really impressive as your frontline ASW ship.Simple diesel propulsion,small tonnage,no real ECM or onboard anti torpedo decoy systems and not even a hangar,only a helipad.Whats the point of a specialized ASW ships if your not even capable of maintaining an organic helicopter - the most important component of the mission.

Fact is PLAN top brass is focused on US carriers battle groups and has largely neglected ASW ability.Even building a 1000 big ships won't help against that.You need cutting edge sonars and dedicated ASW capability ships and put 2 helos on your big ships.

Useless statement, just because he posted some DDG pics, does it mean PLAN focus on surface fleet only?

It seems so,because its sub fleet is in no shape to take on usn and less advanced than JMSDF.I mean US intelligence rates your latest SSN at same level as 80s akula 1 and latest yuan again at around same level or little less than upgraded kilo of late 80s.You want to fight soryus and virginias with that?
 
It seems so,because its sub fleet is in no shape to take on usn and less advanced than JMSDF.I mean US intelligence rates your latest SSN at same level as 80s akula 1 and latest yuan again at around same level or little less than upgraded kilo of late 80s.You want to fight soryus and virginias with that?
"Fact is PLAN top brass is focused on US carriers battle groups and has largely neglected ASW ability."
You got it all figure out, need i say any more? I will try to pass this message to the "Top brass".
 
"Fact is PLAN top brass is focused on US carriers battle groups and has largely neglected ASW ability."
You got it all figure out, need i say any more? I will try to pass this message to the "Top brass".

I don't have to figure anything out,the type of ships being built speaks for itself.All of them big surface attack and AAA ships to attack US surface combatants and defend against carrier aircraft,and just small cheap corvettes for ASW.Didn't even bother to put 2 helos on the big destroyers.
 
Japan gets involved if US gets involved,they have a defence pact.You use nukes and US nuclear arsenal is ten times as strong as yours.Japan if it wanted to could get nukes in a year.
Your ASW capability is quite substandard compared to your surface attack fleet.Bulk of your subs are old or noisy and even the kilo,TYPE 93 and yuans are absolutely no match for virginias or seawolfs which are slightly better than even latest russian yasen class.The latest type 95 are only akula level in terms of noise.You look at the latest block V virginia with that level of stealth and armed with 40 tomahawks plus 25 torpedoes and SUBROC/mines.Each of these ships is capable of causing devastating carnage.

Only 12 of the latest destroyers (52c and 52d) and last 10 type 54a have towed array sonars which is critical tech and even then this is only the first ever towed array sonar ever built in china .All other ships have passive sonars and mostly either directly imported french equipment or copied stuff from 80s and 90s.You expect to hunt virginias with this?
Your navy doesn't seem to even care about ASW,so obsessed they are with american carriers - look at the latest ships - your type 52D destroyers have only one ASW helicopter.Even the old delhi class destroyers we built in 90s have 2 ASW helicopters because that gives double coverage if both available and 1 helicopter is always in the air.This is because we understood threat of PN submarines.Your navy hasn't bothered to equip its best ships with huge size with more than 1.All indian destroyers have 2 helicopters for comprehensive ASW capability.

The other important component of ASW is to have a good ASW corvette/frigate.A cheap ship for patrolling because large capital ships can't be overburdened and risked without cover.For this PLAN uses type 056 corvette.This is a cheap ship with some firepower but not really impressive as your frontline ASW ship.Simple diesel propulsion,small tonnage,no real ECM or onboard anti torpedo decoy systems and not even a hangar,only a helipad.Whats the point of a specialized ASW ships if your not even capable of maintaining an organic helicopter - the most important component of the mission.

Fact is PLAN top brass is focused on US carriers battle groups and has largely neglected ASW ability.Even building a 1000 big ships won't help against that.You need cutting edge sonars and dedicated ASW capability ships and put 2 helos on your big ships.



It seems so,because its sub fleet is in no shape to take on usn and less advanced than JMSDF.I mean US intelligence rates your latest SSN at same level as 80s akula 1 and latest yuan again at around same level or little less than upgraded kilo of late 80s.You want to fight soryus and virginias with that?

About nukes, the US only has twice bigger, not 10 times...
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About Japan, even they produce nuke tomorrow, if they dare to challenge China, our 300 Megatons are not for show... Haha.

Introduce anti-sub experience of indian navy to us??? No thanks! You are not qualified in this discussion because you don't even have 1/4 of our strength, check your naval arsenal first... and in the future you will even be more miserable compared to our navy! (just take a look at how long it take for you to build even one tiny ship...)

And you think you are an expert on anti-sub??? No... Our military knows everything and have everything we need and will get everything we want...

Got more important things to do than play this the world against China game...

Bye for now!
 
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Japan gets involved if US gets involved,they have a defence pact.You use nukes and US nuclear arsenal is ten times as strong as yours.Japan if it wanted to could get nukes in a year.
Your ASW capability is quite substandard compared to your surface attack fleet.Bulk of your subs are old or noisy and even the kilo,TYPE 93 and yuans are absolutely no match for virginias or seawolfs which are slightly better than even latest russian yasen class.The latest type 95 are only akula level in terms of noise.You look at the latest block V virginia with that level of stealth and armed with 40 tomahawks plus 25 torpedoes and SUBROC/mines.Each of these ships is capable of causing devastating carnage.

Only 12 of the latest destroyers (52c and 52d) and last 10 type 54a have towed array sonars which is critical tech and even then this is only the first ever towed array sonar ever built in china .All other ships have passive sonars and mostly either directly imported french equipment or copied stuff from 80s and 90s.You expect to hunt virginias with this?
Your navy doesn't seem to even care about ASW,so obsessed they are with american carriers - look at the latest ships - your type 52D destroyers have only one ASW helicopter.Even the old delhi class destroyers we built in 90s have 2 ASW helicopters because that gives double coverage if both available and 1 helicopter is always in the air.This is because we understood threat of PN submarines.Your navy hasn't bothered to equip its best ships with huge size with more than 1.All indian destroyers have 2 helicopters for comprehensive ASW capability.

The other important component of ASW is to have a good ASW corvette/frigate.A cheap ship for patrolling because large capital ships can't be overburdened and risked without cover.For this PLAN uses type 056 corvette.This is a cheap ship with some firepower but not really impressive as your frontline ASW ship.Simple diesel propulsion,small tonnage,no real ECM or onboard anti torpedo decoy systems and not even a hangar,only a helipad.Whats the point of a specialized ASW ships if your not even capable of maintaining an organic helicopter - the most important component of the mission.

Fact is PLAN top brass is focused on US carriers battle groups and has largely neglected ASW ability.Even building a 1000 big ships won't help against that.You need cutting edge sonars and dedicated ASW capability ships and put 2 helos on your big ships.



It seems so,because its sub fleet is in no shape to take on usn and less advanced than JMSDF.I mean US intelligence rates your latest SSN at same level as 80s akula 1 and latest yuan again at around same level or little less than upgraded kilo of late 80s.You want to fight soryus and virginias with that?






You are talking something from your Ase! what about 056A?

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Watch Out, America: China Launches New Submarine 'Killer'

Zachary Keck

May 13, 2015

China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy commissioned its latest anti-submarine ship, according to local media outlets.

As IHS Jane’s and others reported, citing Chinese state-media outlets, the PLAN officially commissioned its latest Type 056 Jiangdao-class corvette last week. The Huangshi was inducted into service by the PLAN Northern Fleet, the reports said.

Type 056 vessels are 60 meters long and displace 1,500 tons. They “carry one 76 mm main gun, two triple-tube torpedo launchers, and four containerised YJ-83 anti-ship missiles,” IHS Jane’s reported. The report went on to note that the Huangshi’s flight deck enables it to operate a Z-9C helicopter, although the vessel lacks a hanger and therefore its ability to operate helicopters is limited.

Although the Huangshi is the twentieth Type 056 Jiangdao-class corvette that China has commissioned, it is just the fourth of the class to be fitted with towed array and variable depth sonars. This makes it likely that the ship’s primary purpose will be to conduct anti-submarine warfare (ASW).

As IHS Jane’s previously reported of the Type 056 corvettes, “The addition of a VDS will significantly enhance their potential detection capability, specifically when compared to the smaller, rudimentary equipped submarine chasers they are replacing, such as the Type 037 (Hainan) class.”

The launching of the new ships is indicative of China’s growing concern about its paucity of anti-submarine warfare capabilities, particularly further away from its coast. As The National Interest has repeatedly noted, many of the countries locked in maritime disputes with China see submarines as a crucial asymmetric capability they can use to beat back their larger neighbor’s military challenge. Consequentially, there is something of a submarine arms race currently engulfing Asia, with countries as diverse as Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, Japan, India, Australia and even Taiwan all seeking to beef up their undersea capabilities.

This is not limited to small Southeast Asian nations or larger regional countries like Japan and India, however. Even many in the United States believe submarines will be essential if Washington is to contend with China’s growing military might. As Dave Majumdar previously argued on The National Interest: “A new class of nuclear-powered guided missile submarines could be the key to maintaining America’s future naval supremacy as new weapons increasingly challenge the dominance of the U.S. Navy’s aircraft carriers.”

In general, the Type 056 corvettes are expected to be increasingly important to China’s navy in the coming years. As Sputnik News, a Russian-state media outlet, has noted, the “Type 056 Corvette was designed in 2012 to replace the older Jianghu class frigates and type 037 model. The Corvette was the first Chinese modular warship that can be deployed as an offshore patrol vessel or multi-role frigate. Designed and built by China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC), Type 056 Corvettes are set to become the backbone of the PLAN, with a class of more than 30 anticipated.”

China’s first Type 056 Corvette entered service in 2012. China has also exported variants of the ship to a number of other countries, including Thailand, Nigeria and Bangladesh.

Zachary Keck is managing editor of The National Interest. You can find him on Twitter: @ZacharyKeck.




do you know what are these? so called ANALYST!


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at the last, unlike third world useless india,we could build as many as we want, dare you question the largest industry nation on the earth???
 
I don't have to figure anything out,the type of ships being built speaks for itself.All of them big surface attack and AAA ships to attack US surface combatants and defend against carrier aircraft,and just small cheap corvettes for ASW.Didn't even bother to put 2 helos on the big destroyers.
All will be delivered,all is well.
 
About nukes, the US only has twice bigger, not 10 times...
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About Japan, even they produce nuke tomorrow, if they dare to challenge China, our 300 Megatons are not for show... Haha.

Introduce anti-sub experience of indian navy to us??? No thanks! You are not qualified in this discussion because you don't even have 1/4 of our strength, check your naval arsenal first... and in the future you will even be more miserable compared to our navy! (just take a look at how long it take for you to build even one tiny ship...)

And you think you are an expert on anti-sub??? No... Our military knows everything and have everything we need and will get everything we want...

Got more important things to do than play this the world against China game...

Bye for now!


let me beat this useless indian just for fun !!!
 
let me beat this useless indian just for fun !!!
Yeah. your weapons is Ok, but the problem is that your soldiers r just too coward, stupid, zero experiance wt corrupted PLA generals.

Thats why Cn lost in 2014 oil rig conflict against VN even when having triple time in number of ships and had to withdraw the rig.
 
You are talking something from your Ase! what about 056A?

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Watch Out, America: China Launches New Submarine 'Killer'

Zachary Keck

May 13, 2015

China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy commissioned its latest anti-submarine ship, according to local media outlets.

As IHS Jane’s and others reported, citing Chinese state-media outlets, the PLAN officially commissioned its latest Type 056 Jiangdao-class corvette last week. The Huangshi was inducted into service by the PLAN Northern Fleet, the reports said.

Type 056 vessels are 60 meters long and displace 1,500 tons. They “carry one 76 mm main gun, two triple-tube torpedo launchers, and four containerised YJ-83 anti-ship missiles,” IHS Jane’s reported. The report went on to note that the Huangshi’s flight deck enables it to operate a Z-9C helicopter, although the vessel lacks a hanger and therefore its ability to operate helicopters is limited.

Although the Huangshi is the twentieth Type 056 Jiangdao-class corvette that China has commissioned, it is just the fourth of the class to be fitted with towed array and variable depth sonars. This makes it likely that the ship’s primary purpose will be to conduct anti-submarine warfare (ASW).

As IHS Jane’s previously reported of the Type 056 corvettes, “The addition of a VDS will significantly enhance their potential detection capability, specifically when compared to the smaller, rudimentary equipped submarine chasers they are replacing, such as the Type 037 (Hainan) class.”

The launching of the new ships is indicative of China’s growing concern about its paucity of anti-submarine warfare capabilities, particularly further away from its coast. As The National Interest has repeatedly noted, many of the countries locked in maritime disputes with China see submarines as a crucial asymmetric capability they can use to beat back their larger neighbor’s military challenge. Consequentially, there is something of a submarine arms race currently engulfing Asia, with countries as diverse as Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, Japan, India, Australia and even Taiwan all seeking to beef up their undersea capabilities.

This is not limited to small Southeast Asian nations or larger regional countries like Japan and India, however. Even many in the United States believe submarines will be essential if Washington is to contend with China’s growing military might. As Dave Majumdar previously argued on The National Interest: “A new class of nuclear-powered guided missile submarines could be the key to maintaining America’s future naval supremacy as new weapons increasingly challenge the dominance of the U.S. Navy’s aircraft carriers.”

In general, the Type 056 corvettes are expected to be increasingly important to China’s navy in the coming years. As Sputnik News, a Russian-state media outlet, has noted, the “Type 056 Corvette was designed in 2012 to replace the older Jianghu class frigates and type 037 model. The Corvette was the first Chinese modular warship that can be deployed as an offshore patrol vessel or multi-role frigate. Designed and built by China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC), Type 056 Corvettes are set to become the backbone of the PLAN, with a class of more than 30 anticipated.”

China’s first Type 056 Corvette entered service in 2012. China has also exported variants of the ship to a number of other countries, including Thailand, Nigeria and Bangladesh.

Zachary Keck is managing editor of The National Interest. You can find him on Twitter: @ZacharyKeck.




do you know what are these? so called ANALYST!


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at the last, unlike third world useless india,we could build as much as we want, dare you question the largest industry nation on the earth???

Do you even read?I already said only last 10 type 54a and 12 52c and d classes of big ships have towed array sonar.Rest are have passive sonars,either copied or imported of 80s french and russian designs.Of course type 56 corvette has towed array sonar.Its your only specialized ASW ship.But its not a very impressive ship - just 1500 tonnes,simple diesel propulsion,no real ECM capability and anti torpedo decoy systems and not even a hangar - just a helipad.Thats your trump card against virginias and soryus....I'm not questioning you at all,build all the ships you want - they will still be sunk for fun by advanced subs if you don't have cutting edge sonar and specialized ASW ships with double helos.PLAN ships are all focused on being anti carrier,your land based missiles won't help against submarines.And US and Japan can put a 100 crack submarines into the sea if they wanted to.Your latest SSN is not even upg. akula level,you thing you can fight virginia with it?

All will be delivered,all is well.

Good luck,i don't mean that in a sarcastic tone.It will be fun to watch the naval arms race and what kind of new ships come out on both sides from the sidelines.Type 55 cruiser is already a very impressive ship.
 
Do you even read?I already said only last 10 type 54a and 12 52c and d classes of big ships have towed array sonar.Rest are have passive sonars,either copied or imported of 80s french and russian designs.Of course type 56 corvette has towed array sonar.Its your only specialized ASW ship.But its not a very impressive ship - just 1500 tonnes,simple diesel propulsion,no real ECM capability and anti torpedo decoy systems and not even a hangar - just a helipad.Thats your trump card against virginias and soryus....I'm not questioning you at all,build all the ships you want - they will still be sunk for fun by advanced subs if you don't have cutting edge sonar and specialized ASW ships with double helos.PLAN ships are all focused on being anti carrier,your land based missiles won't help against submarines.And US and Japan can put a 100 crack submarines into the sea if they wanted to.Your latest SSN is not even upg. akula level,you thing you can fight virginia with it?



Good luck,i don't mean that in a sarcastic tone.It will be fun to watch the naval arms race and what kind of new ships come out on both sides from the sidelines.Type 55 cruiser is already a very impressive ship.
I wouldn't say an arm race, but catching up.
PS: Though the security classification of underwater fleet build up and anythings related with ASW capability is highest in PLAN, but you can still expect a tip of the ice berg in the coming years,we leaves no one behind.:police:
 
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Do you even read?I already said only last 10 type 54a and 12 52c and d classes of big ships have towed array sonar.Rest are have passive sonars,either copied or imported of 80s french and russian designs.Of course type 56 corvette has towed array sonar.Its your only specialized ASW ship.But its not a very impressive ship - just 1500 tonnes,simple diesel propulsion,no real ECM capability and anti torpedo decoy systems and not even a hangar - just a helipad.Thats your trump card against virginias and soryus....I'm not questioning you at all,build all the ships you want - they will still be sunk for fun by advanced subs if you don't have cutting edge sonar and specialized ASW ships with double helos.PLAN ships are all focused on being anti carrier,your land based missiles won't help against submarines.And US and Japan can put a 100 crack submarines into the sea if they wanted to.Your latest SSN is not even upg. akula level,you thing you can fight virginia with it?



Good luck,i don't mean that in a sarcastic tone.It will be fun to watch the naval arms race and what kind of new ships come out on both sides from the sidelines.Type 55 cruiser is already a very impressive ship.




let me ask you one more time, Mr ANALYST !

what are these??? Why we can see the VLS in there but not nuclear reactor?

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let me ask you one more time, Mr ANALYST !

what are these??? Why we can see the VLS in there but not nuclear reactor?

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I don't understand what is your point?China has SSBNs,so what?
 

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