Vietnam urges Japan to stop the Chinese in the South China Sea

[HannibalBarca]

Today's Japan is hardly China's opponent.

Just like the US doesn't need to take Iran or Syria as a serious opponent.

The US said the same for Iraq...Afghanistan... and I think we know the Answer to it...
The result is the same...for every War before or after us...When you think it's gonna be easy...and Fast... Then be sure that nothing gonna be as planned...

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The US said the same for Iraq...Afghanistan... and I think we know the Answer to it...
The result is the same...for every War before or after us...When you think it's gonna be easy...and Fast... Then be sure that nothing gonna be as planned...

Intrinsically, Japan always displayed its fear and respect toward China.

And the WWII was just an abnormal period in the history, but it gives many people that false impression that Japan is the stronger nation.

Now, the history has been returned to its normal state, Japan is slowly being restored as the nation showing more respect to the big brother China than contempt.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Intrinsically, Japan always displayed its fear and respect toward China.

And the WWII was just an abnormal period in the history, but it gives many people that false impression that Japan is the stronger nation.

Now, the history has been returned to its normal state, Japan is slowly being restored as the nation showing more respect to the big brother China than contempt.

Time will tell... When Japan decide to go back to a military stance/ doctrine... (If they follow their current re-militarisation road)Then we will see if their were indeed the real deal or just scammers...

 

[Dai Toruko]

Are you trying to say that why Kurdish freedom fighters join US to form a 30000 army near your border?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Time will tell... When Japan decide to go back to a military stance/ doctrine... (If they follow their current re-militarisation road)Then we will see if their were indeed the real deal or just scammers...

They just don't stand a chance, even they know it by themselves.

And I found out that many non-Japanese persons are usually more confident than Japanese themselves.

Just like Vietnam, all they can do is to scream some fake bravado at China, but it still cannot change the fact that China is simply too overwhelmingly strong for them.

 

[terranMarine]

Intrinsically, Japan always displayed its fear and respect toward China.

And the WWII was just an abnormal period in the history, but it gives many people that false impression that Japan is the stronger nation.

Now, the history has been returned to its normal state, Japan is slowly being restored as the nation showing more respect to the big brother China than contempt.

Japan only invaded Korea in ancient times, never attacked China. Like you said it feared China and respected this giant by Chinese influence. Only the weakening of later period of Qing, western imperialism in Asia which weakened China did the Japs suddenly felt being a hot shot and tried to take on China. This mistake cost them dearly as a result it is still living in shame because of being occupied after WW2. The boss has returned and its muscle is multiplying very rapidly, Japan shall witness this come back. Fear and respect towards China once again becoming a reality. All these foreign idiots who keep saying Japan is still as strong as ever need to check their mental state. I asked some Japs and they told me China is scary, now i find their opinion more honest.

 

[Suika]

Before departing for a state visit to Japan, Vietnam President urges Japan to do a more active role to stop the Chinese in the South China Sea.

I hope Vietnam and Japan form a military pact.

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Good article, thanks for posting that.

The JMSDF gains power multipliers from its cooperation with other countries, countries like Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei, Australia, and India. Because of that, it makes them effectively twice as strong because those countries allow JMSDF ships places to stop by and operate and secure lines of communication across greater area of sea. In the past couple of years, JMSDF ships and aircraft have been making regular trips through the SCS and the Indian Ocean.

 

[empirefighter]

Japan only invaded Korea in ancient times, never attacked China. Like you said it feared China and respected this giant by Chinese influence. Only the weakening of later period of Qing, western imperialism in Asia which weakened China did the Japs suddenly felt being a hot shot and tried to take on China. This mistake cost them dearly as a result it is still living in shame because of being occupied after WW2. The boss has returned and its muscle is multiplying very rapidly, Japan shall witness this come back. Fear and respect towards China once again becoming a reality. All these foreign idiots who keep saying Japan is still as strong as ever need to check their mental state. I asked some Japs and they told me China is scary, now i find their opinion more honest.

It is funny to see non-Chinese or non-Japanese to judge the relation between China and Japan. China is 26 times bigger than Japan with 11 times population, if you were Japanese, how do you feel? It is very easy, the feeling is the same as the VN: China can lose war many many times, but Japan or VN cannot lose any one war. The only difference between VN and Japan is japan is protected by ocean, it is helpful in ancient times but not in today.

If we talk about history, the war between China and Japan happened 3 times, and we won twice. Every time after Japan lost the war, it would take Japan hundreds of years to build confidence to fight us again. WW2 is an exception of history, we know that and Japanese know that. In fact, WW2 is the best chance for Japan in the past 2000 years. During the time 1895-1945, that was our weakest time, we lost VN to France, lost Korea to Japanese, lost Mogolian to USSR, we had conflicts with UK in South West provinces...... Even at our weakest time, Japanese were still so cautions that they waited for the opportunity until 1937. Japanese were not so confident as the non-Japanese imagined, they knew they cannot lose. They are right, thought not lose to us, but lost to USA.

In the future, as the technology narrow the sea day by day, if I was Japanese, I must be very worried and scary. What the VN feel today is the feel of Japan tomorrow. VN ask help from a wrong friend, in fact, except the USA, I can not see any powerful friend. But help from USA is helpful to Japan but meaningless to VN, we are connected by land.

 

[beijingwalker]

Japan's main concern is North Korea, a perfect match for Japan.

 

[empirefighter]

Good article, thanks for posting that.

The JMSDF gains power multipliers from its cooperation with other countries, countries like Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei, Australia, and India. Because of that, it makes them effectively twice as strong because those countries allow JMSDF ships places to stop by and operate and secure lines of communication across greater are of sea. In the past couple of ears, JMSDF ships and aircraft have been making regular trips through the SCS and the Indian Ocean.

To be honest, it is meaningless to us. We are not happy to see India or Japan ships in the SCS, but a safe line through the SCS and the Indian Ocean also is good to us. If the USA do not fight, we also donot fight. Without USA, we still can win the countries like Japan, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei, Australia, and India put together (thought I think it is impossible for Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei to fight us, they donot have the ambition to control SCS, no matter which one win the game, it is the same for them).

You guys all estimate the action of USA from your own interest, but not from the USA. As for the USA, no matter what the USA shout, it is obvious SCS is not the core interest of USA. We all clearly know Europe and ME are their core interest. USA is not so stupid to fight with us, that will just benefit India and Japan. Why the USA risk millions of lives to fight with us ?What can USA get from us? They donot need our land or resource, never mention they cannot defeat us in land, that means they will never win the war completely.

The countries of Japan, India, VN are so funny, they wait the USA fight first and then they get the interest with cost of blood of USA. The funny thing is : USA think the same as them .In the past 200 years of USA history, USA never fight first when facing big countries, they are the same as there ancestors of UK, wait patience and attack as the last one.
If you guys donot fight with us first, you will never wait for USA cavalry.

 

[terranMarine]

It is funny to see non-Chinese or non-Japanese to judge the relation between China and Japan. China is 26 times bigger than Japan with 11 times population, if you were Japanese, how do you feel? It is very easy, the feeling is the same as the VN: China can lose war many many times, but Japan or VN cannot lose any one war. The only difference between VN and Japan is japan is protected by ocean, it is helpful in ancient times but not in today.

If we talk about history, the war between China and Japan happened 3 times, and we won twice. Every time after Japan lost the war, it would take Japan hundreds of years to build confidence to fight us again. WW2 is an exception of history, we know that and Japanese know that. In fact, WW2 is the best chance for Japan in the past 2000 years. During the time 1895-1945, that was our weakest time, we lost VN to France, lost Korea to Japanese, lost Mogolian to USSR, we had conflicts with UK in South West provinces...... Even at our weakest time, Japanese were still so cautions that they waited for the opportunity until 1937. Japanese were not so confident as the non-Japanese imagined, they knew they cannot lose. They are right, thought not lose to us, but lost to USA.

In the future, as the technology narrow the sea day by day, if I was Japanese, I must be very worried and scary. What the VN feel today is the feel of Japan tomorrow. VN ask help from a wrong friend, in fact, except the USA, I can not see any powerful friend. But help from USA is helpful to Japan but meaningless to VN, we are connected by land.

Yes Japan was protected because it is an island, the sea separates China and Japan. Therefor Japan had this natural protection in the past but in today's world the sea can't provide any protection against China's ballistic missiles. We have the region covered with our badass arsenal. China doesn't want to invade Japan, doesn't need to. Why would China want to occupy Japan? It's an island with no natural resources, frequent earth quakes and tsunamis because it is sitting in the ring of fire. China's land size is HUGE why the f*ck do we even want to invade Japan or putting boots there? Just fire our DF series and the military base in Okinawa is gone, done. Our Naval might can easily launch all the attacks and sink Japanese ships, we have > 60 subs capable of doing that. Japan would be blown to bits and pieces when China launches the DF series. H-6K carrying 6 antiship missiles can strike from a big distance as well.

I have never seen any Japanese claiming they are still very strong after its defeat in WW2. Those who claim Japan is still very powerful are always foreigners. Japanese media often report Chinese military buildup, patrols. I have spoken to quite a number of Japanese and they view China as a very scary power. They understand the power disparity between China and Japan all too well. They are not delusional like those Indians or Viet monkeys. Japs do possess high IQ . Come on, if they were scared like years ago, they are even more scared now than before and in 30 years from now we could probably have the strongest Navy in East Asia surpassing the combined 7th Fleet and Japanese Navy. Somehow these trolls wish for China and Japan to go to war with each other. I don't see that happening.

 

[Suika]

LOL did you not read the article or are you just humiliated? Japan ceded the Senkaku Islands to China by signing a new treaty. Now China and Japan have no more territorial dispute.

Here they go again, making up lies in order to uplift their artificially built up pride.

Senkaku islands belong to Japan.

To be honest, it is meaningless to us. We are not happy to see India or Japan ships in the SCS, but a safe line through the SCS and the Indian Ocean also is good to us. If the USA do not fight, we also donot fight. Without USA, we still can win the countries like Japan, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei, Australia, and India put together (thought I think it is impossible for Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei to fight us, they donot have the ambition to control SCS, no matter which one win the game, it is the same for them).

You guys all estimate the action of USA from your own interest, but not from the USA. As for the USA, no matter what the USA shout, it is obvious SCS is not the core interest of USA. We all clearly know Europe and ME are their core interest. USA is not so stupid to fight with us, that will just benefit India and Japan. Why the USA risk millions of lives to fight with us ?What can USA get from us? They donot need our land or resource, never mention they cannot defeat us in land, that means they will never win the war completely.

The countries of Japan, India, VN are so funny, they wait the USA fight first and then they get the interest with cost of blood of USA. The funny thing is : USA think the same as them .In the past 200 years of USA history, USA never fight first when facing big countries, they are the same as there ancestors of UK, wait patience and attack as the last one.
If you guys donot fight with us first, you will never wait for USA cavalry.

9 dash line is invalid in our view, which to be frank, is more logical than the PRC view. Vietnam and the Philippines are strategic partners of Japan, if you haven't noticed, then you haven't been paying attention, or just lying out of loyalty for PRC propaganda cause, sometimes is hard to tell which. If China tries to forcibly remove those countries off from their features in the SCS, then Japan will come to their aid. As long as China is deterred from taken full control of the SCS by force, then the only border between China and Vietnam is the land border, in which case, Vietnam can deter on its own.

Also, Taiwan also does not belong to China. If China tries to forcibly put Taiwan governance under the PRC CCP rule of government, Japan will aid Taiwan in defense.

Japanese ASW is superior to PLAN. F-35B Izumo would be superior to ski-jump J-15 carriers. Soryu subs are superior to PLAN diesel subs. Chinese seem eager to reawaken Japanese fighting spirit with their over confidence. They need a chill pill, seriously, some think Japan conceded the Senkaku islands. Chill pill is desperately needed; they formulate new opinions and arguments based on fantasy. China should form a fair and respectable compromise on the SCS and Taiwan.

 

[beijingwalker]

Japan's economy is shrinking, military budget is only a fraction of China. China put more war ships to service than Japan, Korea, India and Russia put together, with the future declining economy and very fast aging population, a small and resoource scarce Japan can any hope?

 

[Suika]

Japan's economy is shrinking, military budget is only a fraction of China. China put more war ships to service than Japan, Korea, India and Russia put together, with the future declining economy and very fast aging population, a small and resoource scarce Japan can any hope?

Less of a challenge then it was for Japan in 1860.

 

[beijingwalker]

Chinese missiles also rule the skies around China, does China even need to sent ships to wipe out your tiny fleets.