Vietnam urges Japan to stop the Chinese in the South China Sea

[Feng Leng]

Chinese have weird humor. Just because Japan government chief greets a guest from China you interpret it as bowning down.

LOL did you not read the article or are you just humiliated? Japan ceded the Senkaku Islands to China by signing a new treaty. Now China and Japan have no more territorial dispute.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

The navy is good I'm with you on that, but it's already outnumbered by the PLAN navy and the gap is widening year on year, as for tech it is comparable for both sides. That's not a good situation. You've mentioned their lack of long range strike missiles which now a days counts as a disability in conflict situation, you might as well not fight than be struck by salvo after salvo.
Yes they have a great history of naval warfare but when was the last time they fought a conflict? In light of the stresses they face resource wise, population wise, just how long would they last?
I'm not underestimating them I'm questioning their ability to sustain a prolonged fight and even the will to fight. Remember that survey done i.e. regarding on whether people would fight for their country, Japan came bottom.....

Their war fighting days are over.

Firing ballistic missiles at japan automatically brings in USA.Japanese naval industry as well as south korea's is very active and strong and japan is still among top 5 economies,it just doesn't use much of its military budget.If it wanted it could have a 100 billion dollar budget and nukes within a couple of years.Till now only china has modernized rapidly,japan hasn't done much..but recently there are some stirrings with increases in military budget and helicarriers being converted to f-35 carriers in amendment of constitution.Whether their fighting days are over will depend on if they feel threatened,senkaku islands is just a island in the middle of the sea,but if the japanese feel their homeland under threat they would fight and japan despite its size is more efficient and disciplined than chinese.A large part of chinese fleet ,especially subs is obsolete.Japan trains regularly with NATO navies and throughout the cold war was tasked with defeating soviet pacific fleet .Its by no means a green navy,its staff regularly studies at USN colleges.They still might lose but PLAN would take horrific losses too.

Slumdog are you insinuating Japanese land force could stand a chance against the PLA (the world's biggest army and rapidly modernizing) ? Even American soldiers are scared of the thought of fighting the PLA on the ground. I don't have to remind you how the Korean War ended when Chinese troops were fighting 19 countries that scared the sh!t out of them so much they had to retreat back to the South. Even your pathetic Indian army would stand no chance fighting our ground troops FACT.

Japanese Navy is good, but against our number of warships and subs it's already a lost cause. By 2049 China would have at least 10 AC and who knows how many number of helicopter carriers + vast amount of modern destroyers. Keep envying our 055 because China industrial capability is unmatched. Our newest destroyers shall be equipped with state of the art weaponry that's making the region crapping in their pants. Stealth bombers, J-20, J-10C, destroyers with railguns and more to come. Keep underestimating the PLA

It doesn't matter how many troops you have ,because in case you forgot japan is an island.PLAN has pathetic amphibious capability - can transport a couple of divisions at most - its not even sufficient to take taiwan.If you think you can invade japan with those landing boats in the teeth of land based missiles and aircraft and the japanese navy you are delusional.

PLAN anti submarine warfare capability is very weak.22 japanese soryu and upgraded oyashio would be a nightmare.Japan's industrial capacity is also good,though not as good as yours.They haven't begun a rapid naval rearmament program like yours,if they wanted to they could double their navy in a decade.
And when you brag about industrial capacity always remember no matter how big it is its still no match for japan's big daddy usa.USN is still daddy of PLAN even if you built 100 ships.With 11 supercarriers,10 plus helicarriers,70 plus aegis destroyers,25 odd aegis cruisers,60 state of the art SSNs its a hopeless fight.USN could not only decimate your navy from underwater ,it cut off your oil supplies from middle east at will and blockade you.Your big destroyers and cruisers are helpless against a combined 100 crack submarine flotilla of USN and JMSDF,even if keep the massive US surface fleet out of the equation.

 

[Viet]

LOL did you not read the article or are you just humiliated? Japan ceded the Senkaku Islands to China by signing a new treaty. Now China and Japan have no more territorial dispute.

Nonsense. The article says It is China that blinks. Granting Japan this and that. The Japanese only agree to establishing of a telephone line. really embarrassing for all people of China.

 

[Dai Toruko]

The scene is similar to 1938 Europe, when one country was making (territorial) demands that others were accommodating to the extent possible. Then the others had enough.They joined together & put Hitler in his place, to shoot his head off. In the present SCS case, only an alliance could do the job. Same should be dome on the border that is shared by a dozen others.

 

[terranMarine]

It doesn't matter how many troops you have ,because in case you forgot japan is an island.PLAN has pathetic amphibious capability - can transport a couple of divisions at most - its not even sufficient to take taiwan.If you think you can invade japan with those landing boats in the teeth of land based missiles and aircraft and the japanese navy you are delusional.

PLAN anti submarine warfare capability is very weak.22 japanese soryu and upgraded oyashio would be a nightmare.Japan's industrial capacity is also good,though not as good as yours.They haven't begun a rapid naval rearmament program like yours,if they wanted to they could double their navy in a decade.
And when you brag about industrial capacity always remember no matter how big it is its still no match for japan's big daddy usa.USN is still daddy of PLAN even if you built 100 ships.With 11 supercarriers,10 plus helicarriers,70 plus aegis destroyers,25 odd aegis cruisers,60 state of the art SSNs its a hopeless fight.USN could not only decimate your navy from underwater ,it cut off your oil supplies from middle east at will and blockade you.Your big destroyers and cruisers are helpless against a combined 100 crack submarine flotilla of USN and JMSDF,even if keep the massive US surface fleet out of the equation.

Why do you slumdogs always insist China invading Japan? Weren't you the on who said Japanese land force could fight against the PLA on equal footing? I could also say are you sure Japanese would want or capable of invading China again? As for Taiwan, China has different kind of plan to deal with it. Rather through peaceful unification than using force because why should we slaughter a chicken that lays golden eggs? That's like shooting your own foot, no wonder Indians are so dumb.

Can it cut off oil supply from Russia? Quite frankly i couldn't care about USN capability of cutting off oil supply in the ME or Indian Ocean, It's not cutting us off now is it? If you have been paying little attention to Trump, US is in no position of winning economic war against China thus there's no decisive victory for USA. Funny how you slumdogs thought China would be losing horribly in a trade war with US which now USA says it wants to avoid one with China.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Why do you slumdogs always insist China invading Japan? Weren't you the on who said Japanese land force could fight against the PLA on equal footing? I could also say are you sure Japanese would want or capable of invading China again? As for Taiwan, China has different kind of plan to deal with it. Rather through peaceful unification than using force because why should we slaughter a chicken that lays golden eggs? That's like shooting your own foot, no wonder Indians are so dumb.

Can it cut off oil supply from Russia? Quite frankly i couldn't care about USN capability of cutting off oil supply in the ME or Indian Ocean, It's not cutting us off now is it? If you have been paying little attention to Trump, US is in no position of winning economic war against China thus there's no decisive victory for USA. Funny how you slumdogs thought China would be losing horribly in a trade war with US which now USA says it wants to avoid one with China.

No because japan is incapable of invading china militarily and also forbidden constitutionally from waging war of aggression.Its not my problem you don't understand such a simple thing.And watch your tongue,i don't wish to respond with racist derogatory remarks about the chinese people and their heritage.

Russian oil supply is not enough to sustain china,only delays the inevitable.USA hasn't even started trade war,they are just probing for a deal.If the deal fails then real trade war would probably begin.If there is an all out trade war ,yes china would still lose - just see what a single us law did to one of your big phone makers -put it out of business casually.But such a war would be very costly on both sides.And don't think that India supports USA in trade protectionism issue,we are largely neutral and to an extent also support chinese views on economic globalization rather than mad dog trump.Either way we are moving away from naval warfare to other subjects.

 

[terranMarine]

No because japan is incapable of invading china militarily and also forbidden constitutionally from waging war of aggression.Its not my problem you don't understand such a simple thing.And watch your tongue,i don't wish to respond with racist derogatory remarks about the chinese people and their heritage.

Russian oil supply is not enough to sustain china,only delays the inevitable.USA hasn't even started trade war,they are just probing for a deal.If the deal fails then real trade war would probably begin.If there is an all out trade war ,yes china would still lose - just see what a single us law did to one of your big phone makers -put it out of business casually.But such a war would be very costly on both sides.And don't think that India supports USA in trade protectionism issue,we are largely neutral and to an extent also support chinese views on economic globalization rather than mad dog trump.Either way we are moving away from naval warfare to other subjects.

Then why did you question Japanese land force could be capable of defeating the PLA in the first place? Nobody here is even claiming of invading Japan, if such a simple logic is too difficult for you low IQ slumdogs to understand then i rest my case. But don't compare the pathetic Japanese land force with the PLA, it's a joke. The Americans call the Korean War a FORGOTTEN WAR for a reason after their pathetic retreat to the South.

Lets see if USA dares to wage a trade war against China first before opening that smelly mouth of yours and deciding that China would be the one losing. So far nothing much has happened, if US could win it so easily it would have launched the trade war without a second thought. As for US Navy well we can see how things could change in 30-40 years from now. Right now USN has the capability to cut off oil supply in the ME or Indian Ocean that is something we all are aware of you think i don't know? This does not change the fact the Japanese Navy is still no match for PLAN.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Slumdog are you insinuating Japanese land force could stand a chance against the PLA (the world's biggest army and rapidly modernizing) ? Even American soldiers are scared of the thought of fighting the PLA on the ground. I don't have to remind you how the Korean War ended when Chinese troops were fighting 19 countries that scared the sh!t out of them so much they had to retreat back to the South. Even your pathetic Indian army would stand no chance fighting our ground troops FACT.

Japanese Navy is good, but against our number of warships and subs it's already a lost cause. By 2049 China would have at least 10 AC and who knows how many number of helicopter carriers + vast amount of modern destroyers. Keep envying our 055 because China industrial capability is unmatched. Our newest destroyers shall be equipped with state of the art weaponry that's making the region crapping in their pants. Stealth bombers, J-20, J-10C, destroyers with railguns and more to come. Keep underestimating the PLA

The JDMSF right now is nobody in front of the PLAN.

They don't have a real functional aircraft carrier, they don't have any nuclear sub, and they don't have anti-ship missile with a range over 200 km.

Japan in the eyes of China right now is just an improved Vietnam, that's it.

 

[terranMarine]

The JDMSF right now is nobody in front of the PLAN.

They don't have a real functional aircraft carrier, they don't have any nuclear sub, and they don't have anti-ship missile with a range over 200 km.

Japan in the eyes of China right now is just an improved Vietnam, that's it.

What he seems to forget is China has DF-21, DF-26 as well. If a war occurs, the base in Okinawa would be in flames. Our ballistic missiles will wreak havoc on Japanese mainland. To compare Japan with China militarily speaking is an insult.

 

[HannibalBarca]

What he seems to forget is China has DF-21, DF-26 as well. If a war occurs, the base in Okinawa would be in flames. Our ballistic missiles will wreak havoc on Japanese mainland. To compare Japan with China militarily speaking is an insult.

"The first condition for losing... is Underestimating your opponent..."

 

[terranMarine]

"The first condition for losing... is Underestimating your opponent..."

that's why Japan lost the war and is being occupied to this day

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Countries like

• Philipines
• Japan
• Tiwan
• Korea (South / North)
• Vietnam
• Thailand

They sorta don't realize the closest friend they can have in Asia is China due to it's historic presense in Asia
Can you imagine Asia with out China ? No but can you visualize Asia with out USA yes you can because they are
foreign to region they don't belong in that region

If anything they are there to disturb the natural Peace of Asia continent

Asia as whole can replace USA with Russia and their economy will still be same

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

"The first condition for losing... is Underestimating your opponent..."

Today's Japan is hardly China's opponent.

Just like the US doesn't need to take Iran or Syria as a serious opponent.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

The scene is similar to 1938 Europe, when one country was making (territorial) demands that others were accommodating to the extent possible. Then the others had enough.They joined together & put Hitler in his place, to shoot his head off. In the present SCS case, only an alliance could do the job. Same should be dome on the border that is shared by a dozen others.

Are you trying to say that why Kurdish freedom fighters join US to form a 30000 army near your border?

 

[terranMarine]

Today's Japan is hardly China's opponent.

Just like the US doesn't need to take Iran or Syria as a serious opponent.

I have asked the Japs opinion, they said China is scary . This mentality is worth something