Vietnam government presents high-speed rail plan next year

[Viet]

Nguyễn Ngọc Đông, Vice Minister of Transport, speaks to Tiền Phong (Vanguard) newspaper about his Ministry’s plan to develop a fast, yet safe railway service

"In our plan, in 2018 we will present a plan on a high speed rail line to the National Assembly for consideration. We hope that the proposal will be adopted by law makers during the 14th National Assembly which will end in 2021.

The high speed rail line will run parallel with the present rail line. But the latter will be used for cargo trains only. We expect that the construction of the new high speed rail line will take about five years." — VNS


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[shjliu]

Is Vietnam going to develop it own high-speed railway system?

 

[Viet]

Is Vietnam going to develop it own high-speed railway system?

since the government presents the plan next year so not sure. Based on that are announced previously that will be a dual track 1,435mm gauge north-south at least 2,000 km, top speed 350kmh. The distance between Hanoi-Saigon is about 1,500km, so HSR can reach top speed over a long period of time.

I assume the HSR technology will come from South Korea, with modifications to better suit Vietnamese needs. The Koreans are willing to provide money and expertise. Feasibility studies with the Koreans are being carried out.

In short, no we don't develop a complete new HSR but buy it from other and devevop and make it to our version.

 

[shjliu]

since the government presents the plan next year so not sure. Based on that are announced previously that will be a dual track 1,435mm gauge north-south at least 2,000 km, top speed 350kmh. The distance between Hanoi-Saigon is about 1,500km, so HSR can reach top speed over a long period of time.

I assume the HSR technology will come from South Korea, with modifications to better suit Vietnamese needs. The Koreans are willing to provide money and expertise. Feasibility studies with the Koreans are being carried out.

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In short, no we don't develop a complete new HSR but buy it from other and devevop and make it to our version.

Yes, Don't develop it, but buy it ! it is cheaper that way! But why South Korea? Best bet will be Japan, China, France, Canada (bombardier) those countries have actually built HSR before; I can not remember where South Korea built HSR before !

 

[Viet]

Yes, Don't develop it, but buy it ! it is cheaper that way! But why South Korea? Best bet will be Japan, China, France, Canada (bombardier) those countries have actually built HSR before; I can not remember where South Korea built HSR before !

The Japanese demanded $60b for HSR, unknown if they are ready for technology transfer. The Chinese will be the last who offers a piece of technology to Vietnam. France may be an option but there is nothing on the table to be discussed. Canada?

The choice for Korea is easy to understand. Our relationship to the Koreans is on the rise. There is a deep understanding that all will win if we both increase cooperation. We have FTA with S Korea. Vietnam is the main manufacturing production base for korean companies. There is huge korean population in Vietnam and vice versa. I read Vietnam has surpassed Japan as trade partner for Korea. The Koreans are number 1 investor in VN. They are willing to provide money and expertise without hesitation.

Korea HSR

 

[GS Zhou]

High speed rail (HSR) lines in operation by country, in km, by 1st Feb. 2017
- China: 23,914
- Japan: 3,041
- Spain: 2,871
- France: 2,142
- Germany: 1,475
- Korea: 657
- World Total: 37,343

BTW, Korea doesn't not have experience in 350km/h line it, it also has no plan to build 350km/h line in the long term. So, good luck with the 350km/h train from Korea.

 

[Viet]

High speed rail (HSR) lines in operation by country, in km, by 1st Feb. 2017
- China: 23,914
- Japan: 3,041
- Spain: 2,871
- France: 2,142
- Germany: 1,475
- Korea: 657
- World Total: 37,343

BTW, Korea doesn't not have experience in 350km/h line it, it also has no plan to build 350km/h line in the long term. So, good luck with the 350km/h train from Korea.

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How did China gain the first ever experience in operating train at 350kmh? Trial and error, isn't it?

Korea HSR can run at 350kmh. I am pretty sure the Koreans will give everything they can to get the baby safely runs at that speed.

 

[GS Zhou]

How did China gain the first ever experience in operating train at 350kmh? Trial and error, isn't it?

Korea HSR can run at 350kmh. I am pretty sure the Koreans will give everything they can to get the baby safely runs at that speed.

I feel envy to Korea, to be honest. Because they will get a free test ground to test the technologies that they don't dare to test in their own country.

Actually, the speed limitation is just one obstacle to Korea. Other than that, the high temperature in Vietnam, the high humidity, such factors are all critical to the safety of the high speed train. Yes, Korea would solve all these problems, with sufficient time, and also the financial support from customer country.

Good luck.

 

[AndrewJin]

I feel envy to Korea, to be honest. Because they will get a free test ground to test the technologies that they don't dare to test in their own country.

Actually, the speed limitation is just one obstacle to Korea. Other than that, the high temperature in Vietnam, the high humidity, such factors are all critical to the safety of the high speed train. Yes, Korea would solve all these problems, with sufficient time, and also the financial support from customer country.

Good luck.

Yes, the only HSR in the tropical environment is on Hainan Island.
Humility, typhoon, sea water, are huge deals.

 

[Viet]

I feel envy to Korea, to be honest. Because they will get a free test ground to test the technologies that they don't dare to test in their own country.

Actually, the speed limitation is just one obstacle to Korea. Other than that, the high temperature in Vietnam, the high humidity, such factors are all critical to the safety of the high speed train. Yes, Korea would solve all these problems, with sufficient time, and also the financial support from customer country.

Good luck.

of course there are huge challenges. collecting enough money for HSR is probably the most obstacle. but we are ready for everything, because we have nothing to lose. at the moment, Vietnam railway is in a VERY bad shape.

 

[TaiShang]

of course there are huge challenges. collecting enough money for HSR is probably the most obstacle. but we are ready for everything, because we have nothing to lose. at the moment, Vietnam railway is in a VERY bad shape.

From a "very bad shape" to 300+ km/h HSR is a huge leap (of faith).

China also did feasibility study in Vietnam couple of years back. But, for an expensive, challenging HSR network, you need more than faith although dreaming is the first step.

Koreans would basically have to develop a tropical HSR standard exclusively for Vietnam (because they will never need that in Korea). Of course, the R&D and related costs would all be born by Vietnam.

 

[GS Zhou]

From a "very bad shape" to 300+ km/h HSR is a huge leap (of faith).

In another words, it is wishful thinking. China also did feasibility study in Vietnam couple of years back. But, for an expensive, challenging HSR network, you need more than faith although dreaming is the first step.

Koreans would basically have to develop a topical HSR standard exclusively for Vietnam (because they will never use that in Korea). Of course, the R&D and related costs would all be born by Vietnam.

I think Japan offers a very nice price quote to Vietnam. $60 billion for 2,000km HSR line, or $30million per km. That's close to the per km cost of China's Beijing-Shanghai line. Considering the additional cost caused by the tropical conditions, $30 million per km is actually very "CHEAP".

But not sure if Japan could really complete such a 2,000 km project within the $ 60 bn limitation. Or may be it is Japan's trick of "fishing"?

 

[Viet]

I think Japan offers a very nice price quote to Vietnam. $60 billion for 2,000km HSR line, or $30million per km. That's close to the per km cost of China's Beijing-Shanghai line. Considering the additional cost caused by the tropical conditions, $30 million per km is actually very "CHEAP".

But not sure if Japan could really complete such a 2,000 km project within the $ 60 bn limitation. Or may be it is Japan's trick of "fishing"?

Come on Japanese are the most honest people in earth. They will NEVER do dirty tricks to Vietnam. $60b sounds very cheap to you, but the amount is more than our forex reserves, so thing must be careful considered.

From a "very bad shape" to 300+ km/h HSR is a huge leap (of faith).

China also did feasibility study in Vietnam couple of years back. But, for an expensive, challenging HSR network, you need more than faith although dreaming is the first step.

Koreans would basically have to develop a tropical HSR standard exclusively for Vietnam (because they will never need that in Korea). Of course, the R&D and related costs would all be born by Vietnam.

can you share the HSR feasibility study China did in Vietnam?

 

[TaiShang]

Come on Japanese are the most honest people in earth.

LOL. So much faith. Ask Taipei MRT if you want to know about Japanese business practice, which is ruthless. They are indeed swindlers no less than any other economically rational actor. What do you think the Japanese think of you? Mujahedeen of SCS?

But it is all fair in business, I cannot complain.

can you share the HSR feasibility study China did in Vietnam?

I just remember the news, never had an idea about the feasibility report itself. It would never be shared, I guess.

 

[GS Zhou]

Come on Japanese are the most honest people in earth. They will NEVER do dirty tricks to Vietnam. $60b sounds very cheap to you, but the amount is more than our forex reserves, so thing must be careful considered.

"Japanese are the most honest people in earth, so they will NEVER do dirty tricks to Vietnam" ??? haha, are you sure?

Not surprise, that's because you are not living in Vietnam. Take a read on the posts from one of your beloved countryman, to see how he complains Toyota's trick in Vietnam.

In fact, if required, Japanese won't be hesitated to do even the dirtiest trick to their own people, needless to foreign country.

How about the following news, which just happened just one month before.

In early Feb. 2017, Hitachi said on its website that it received a compensation request from Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Ltd. (“MHI”) . MHI requested Hitachi to pay her 763.4 billion JPY, to compensate for MHI's loss on thermal power plant project in South Africa.
http://www.hitachi.com/New/cnews/month/2017/02/170208.html

But do you know what is the initial contract amount of this power plant in South Africa? Hitachi's Investor Presentation 2010 mentions the number to us: 570 billion JPY

Could you imagine all this? A 570 billion JPY contract leads to a 763.4 billion JPY loss. Don't you think that's ridiculous? Could you imagine how black the reality could be, behind the short piece of news article?

Here is also a link for this news in Japanese.
http://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXLASDZ08HZB_Y7A200C1TI1000/