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[Viet]

Probably before 2014, as the rumor about tons of Su-27 document has been circulating since 2000s.


We have to buy technical documents directly from the Russian, as Ukraine doesn't have the Su-30. There are several specialists from KnAAZ who are living semi-permanently in Su-30MK2V bases.

We currently can self-maintain the Su-30 fleet and perform some parts of the overhaul, but the deep overhauling is still handled by the Russians with observation from our technicians.

Ok understood. Should we take rumours of Su-35 for the airforce seriously?

 

[Viet]

Some nice pictures during the sea trails of Kilo attack submarine Bà Rịa-Vũng Tàu

 

[Viet]

Only seen in Vietnam

 

[Silent Knight]

Ok understood. Should we take rumours of Su-35 for the airforce seriously?

I don't really have solid evidence to either support or deny that rumor. However, given the publicized information, the Su-30SM is a more likely candidate.

But some inside sources do mention the Su-35S.

 

[Carlosa]

I don't really have solid evidence to either support or deny that rumor. However, given the publicized information, the Su-30SM is a more likely candidate.

But some inside sources do mention the Su-35S.

@Viet People from the Russian forum told me that companies that make equipment for the SU-35 were told that Vietnam will order 12 planes. This is reliable insider information.

 

[Viet]

@Viet People from the Russian forum told me that companies that make equipment for the SU-35 were told that Vietnam will order 12 planes. This is reliable insider information.

a squadron of Su-35 costs $1 billion. That's a lot of money and needs to be considered seriously. Oh man I would wish we don't need to pursue such arms race. Money would be better spent elsewhere, from building roads to hospital to kindergarten.

Su-30 on patrol in the spratly

 

[TenLua]

How do you embed pictures? Where it's part of your post...

 

[Carlosa]

Thanks a lot Russian Tovarish....

Russian Navy Helps Chinese Train to Seize Islands in South China Sea
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/pat...s-chinese-train-seize-islands-south-china-sea

(CNSNews.com) – Chinese and Russian warships, aircraft and troops begin eight days of joint maneuvers in the South China Sea on Monday, including “joint island seizing” in an area where China and the U.S. repeatedly have sparred over freedom of navigation amid multiple territorial disputes.

It will be the sixth Russia-China naval exercise since 2012, but the first to be held in the South China Sea, among the most strategically important and hotly-contested waters on the planet.

People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) spokesman Liang Yang said the wargames would include “joint island seizing,” anti-submarine operations, as well as defense and rescue missions.

Missile and artillery live-fire drills, island landing, island defense and island offense exercises would be carried out, he said.

Eighteen Russian and Chinese ships and submarines, 21 aircraft, hundreds of marines and amphibious armored equipment are involved in the exercises. Chinese ships are from its South China Sea fleet while participating Russian vessels include two anti-submarine destroyers serving with the Russian Pacific Fleet, the Admiral Tributs and Admiral Vinogradov.

Liang said the exercises would improve coordination between the two navies and advance the Russia-China strategic partnership.

“Holding the drills in the conditions maximally close to combat, is aimed at increasing the potential in the sphere of our common security,” PLAN deputy commander Vice Admiral Wang Hai said at a ceremony welcoming the visitors to Zhangjiang in southern China’s Guangdong province.

Moscow’s Sputnik news agency quoted Wang’s Russian counterpart, Vice Admiral Alexander Fedotenkov, as saying the aim of the partnership was to ensure “the security of peaceful activities across the world’s seas and oceans and in the prevention of dangerous challenges.”

It said the drills would conclude with a simultaneous amphibious and air operation on an island held by a simulated enemy.

Earlier, a Russian Navy spokesman insisted that the exercises were not directed against any “third party” or linked to the region’s geopolitics.

The U.S. is not a claimant in any of the South China Sea territorial disputes, but several of its allies and friends in the region are, including Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan and the Philippines, a treaty ally.

China claims sovereignty over virtually the entire South China Sea, including resource-rich areas that fall within the exclusive economic zones (EEZs) of surrounding nations. It has alarmed those countries and the U.S., by building and militarizing artificial islands in support of its claims.

The U.S. Navy continues to carry out what it calls “freedom of navigation” patrols in those waters, to Beijing’s publicly-expressed annoyance.

On the sidelines of the recent G20 summit in Hangzhou, Russian President Vladimir Putin raised eyebrows by voicing support for Beijing’s stance on the South China Sea.

After meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping on September 4, Putin said Russia believes “that any intervention of a non-regional power goes only to the detriment of settling these issues.”

“The intervention of third-party non-regional powers, in my opinion, is harmful and counterproductive,” he told reporters, clearly referring to the United States, and echoing a position China has repeatedly declared.

Going further, Putin backed China’s rejection of a ruling over the summer by an international tribunal denying Beijing’s claims to waters within the Philippines’ EEZ.

The Philippines brought the case before the permanent court of arbitration in The Hague, but China boycotted the proceedings.

Putin said Russia joined China in not recognizing the July 12 ruling.

“This is not a political position, but purely legal,” he said. “It lies in the fact that any arbitration proceedings should be initiated by the disputing parties, while the arbitration court should hear the arguments and positions of the disputing parties.”

“As you know, China did not address the Hague arbitration and no one listened to its position there,” Putin added. “How can you recognize these decisions as fair? We support China’s position on this issue.”

Previous joint naval exercises between the two Asian giants were held in the Yellow Sea in 2012, in Russian waters near Vladivostok in 2013, in the East China Sea in 2014, and twice in 2015 – in the Mediterranean Sea and the Sea of Japan.

 

[hoangsa74]

Thanks a lot Russian Tovarish....

Russian Navy Helps Chinese Train to Seize Islands in South China Sea
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/pat...s-chinese-train-seize-islands-south-china-sea

(CNSNews.com) – Chinese and Russian warships, aircraft and troops begin eight days of joint maneuvers in the South China Sea on Monday, including “joint island seizing” in an area where China and the U.S. repeatedly have sparred over freedom of navigation amid multiple territorial disputes.

It will be the sixth Russia-China naval exercise since 2012, but the first to be held in the South China Sea, among the most strategically important and hotly-contested waters on the planet.

People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) spokesman Liang Yang said the wargames would include “joint island seizing,” anti-submarine operations, as well as defense and rescue missions.

Missile and artillery live-fire drills, island landing, island defense and island offense exercises would be carried out, he said.

Eighteen Russian and Chinese ships and submarines, 21 aircraft, hundreds of marines and amphibious armored equipment are involved in the exercises. Chinese ships are from its South China Sea fleet while participating Russian vessels include two anti-submarine destroyers serving with the Russian Pacific Fleet, the Admiral Tributs and Admiral Vinogradov.

Liang said the exercises would improve coordination between the two navies and advance the Russia-China strategic partnership.

“Holding the drills in the conditions maximally close to combat, is aimed at increasing the potential in the sphere of our common security,” PLAN deputy commander Vice Admiral Wang Hai said at a ceremony welcoming the visitors to Zhangjiang in southern China’s Guangdong province.

Moscow’s Sputnik news agency quoted Wang’s Russian counterpart, Vice Admiral Alexander Fedotenkov, as saying the aim of the partnership was to ensure “the security of peaceful activities across the world’s seas and oceans and in the prevention of dangerous challenges.”

It said the drills would conclude with a simultaneous amphibious and air operation on an island held by a simulated enemy.

Earlier, a Russian Navy spokesman insisted that the exercises were not directed against any “third party” or linked to the region’s geopolitics.

The U.S. is not a claimant in any of the South China Sea territorial disputes, but several of its allies and friends in the region are, including Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan and the Philippines, a treaty ally.

China claims sovereignty over virtually the entire South China Sea, including resource-rich areas that fall within the exclusive economic zones (EEZs) of surrounding nations. It has alarmed those countries and the U.S., by building and militarizing artificial islands in support of its claims.

The U.S. Navy continues to carry out what it calls “freedom of navigation” patrols in those waters, to Beijing’s publicly-expressed annoyance.

On the sidelines of the recent G20 summit in Hangzhou, Russian President Vladimir Putin raised eyebrows by voicing support for Beijing’s stance on the South China Sea.

After meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping on September 4, Putin said Russia believes “that any intervention of a non-regional power goes only to the detriment of settling these issues.”

“The intervention of third-party non-regional powers, in my opinion, is harmful and counterproductive,” he told reporters, clearly referring to the United States, and echoing a position China has repeatedly declared.

Going further, Putin backed China’s rejection of a ruling over the summer by an international tribunal denying Beijing’s claims to waters within the Philippines’ EEZ.

The Philippines brought the case before the permanent court of arbitration in The Hague, but China boycotted the proceedings.

Putin said Russia joined China in not recognizing the July 12 ruling.

“This is not a political position, but purely legal,” he said. “It lies in the fact that any arbitration proceedings should be initiated by the disputing parties, while the arbitration court should hear the arguments and positions of the disputing parties.”

“As you know, China did not address the Hague arbitration and no one listened to its position there,” Putin added. “How can you recognize these decisions as fair? We support China’s position on this issue.”

Previous joint naval exercises between the two Asian giants were held in the Yellow Sea in 2012, in Russian waters near Vladivostok in 2013, in the East China Sea in 2014, and twice in 2015 – in the Mediterranean Sea and the Sea of Japan.

Lol. Vladimir does not give a damn about charlie. Vlad will reveal the location of those kilo subs to the chinese in a snap. Better look to japan, south korea, sweden or germany for future subs, ..boyz

 

[TenLua]

a squadron of Su-35 costs $1 billion. That's a lot of money and needs to be considered seriously. Oh man I would wish we don't need to pursue such arms race. Money would be better spent elsewhere, from building roads to hospital to kindergarten.

Su-30 on patrol in the spratly

Only seen in Vietnam

That's pretty good. Some still use ladders.

Lol. Vladimir does not give a damn about charlie. Vlad will reveal the location of those kilo subs to the chinese in a snap. Better look to japan, south korea, sweden or germany for future subs, ..boyz

And destroy the credibility of Russian arms permanently? Where are the senses you see being made here?

 

[Silent Knight]

@Viet People from the Russian forum told me that companies that make equipment for the SU-35 were told that Vietnam will order 12 planes. This is reliable insider information.

Problem is that the Su-35S is an entirely different weapon system, while the Su-30MK2V and Su-30SM still have some similarity. So if we do choose the Su-35S, training would have been started by now in Russian facilities.

However, we only sent pilots and technicians to India to learn about the Su-30MKI. So that's the clue to point to Su-30SM procurement.

HOWEVER (again), since Su-30MK2V (and Su-30M2) can be used for Su-35 pilot training, plus the appearance of top test Sukhoi test pilots (old Sergey, young Sergey, Sasha, etc.), one can theoretically assume that we've done some training for the future Su-35S and 5th gen aircraft.

** Rumor alert:
Some inside sources claim that several Su-30MK2V are more capable than the rest of the fleet, using more advance avionics and weapon control systems from 4++ gen projects (Su-30MKI, Su-35S). This rumor has yet to be debunked or confirmed.

 

[William Hung]

** Rumor alert:
Some inside sources claim that several Su-30MK2V are more capable than the rest of the fleet, using more advance avionics and weapon control systems from 4++ gen projects (Su-30MKI, Su-35S). This rumor has yet to be debunked or confirmed.

Years ago on an Indian defence forum, an Israeli who was supposedly an employee in an Israeli defense firm claimed his team won a contract to upgrade the avionics of VN’s Su-30.

 

[Silent Knight]

Years ago on an Indian defence forum, an Israeli who was supposedly an employee in an Israeli defense firm claimed his team won a contract to upgrade the avionics of VN’s Su-30.

I have direct access to these supposedly "upgraded" aircraft. However, I was not allowed to take a look at the cockpit, only a walk around.

Maybe next time I will check it out too see then.

 

[Viet]

Here is a cheaper way to fly: Flight simulator for Vietnam airlines pilots. I think we would save a lot of money if we put Su-30 fighter pilots into such simulator. Well, I mean Su-30 flight simulator

How do you embed pictures? Where it's part of your post...

You can copy picture and paste it. Or you can copy the url of picture and paste it by using image icon on the top bar.

 

[Silent Knight]

Here is a cheaper way to fly: Flight simulator for Vietnam airlines pilots. I think we would save a lot of money if we put Su-30 fighter pilots into such simulator. Well, I mean Su-30 flight simulator

We do have Su-27 and Su-30 flight simulators. However, they are fixed on the ground and don't have hydraulics actuators.