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[Carlosa]

aqsuperman may have left when you joined with a few others to attack/criticize VN government.



Maybe it would be a good idea for you to rescind your fierce criticism and apologize to aqsuperman and the fellow Vietnamese countrymen who might be offended.

I guess a lot of people support or are involved in the government corruption then. Too bad the truth hurts. Apologies are given when someone is wrong. Feel free to show me that I was wrong.

Can continue tomorrow, have a plane to catch........

 

[Nike]

Russia Proposed Upgrade Package for Vietnamese PT-76B

09 Juli 2016


PT-76 of the Vietnamese Navy (photos : kienthuc, baodatviet)

The Group of specialized machinery production and metallurgy Russia has released proposed upgrade package PT-76 amphibious vehicles to customers, including Vietnam.

The service of armored forces in Vietnam has a large number (around 450) of amphibious tanks of the Soviet Union and other countries of the socialist block development in the years 1949 to 1951, PT-76 is later with generation 2 is PT-76B 1958.

3-person crew, including artillery fire the 76.2 mm, 7.62 mm coaxial machine gun. Can enhance 12.7 mm anti-aircraft guns. Relatively thin armor vehicles, about 20 mm hood and turret so weak protection against armor piercing ammunition or antitank.

PT-76 is secreted primarily designed to support infantry in the muddy terrain where many tropical rivers. PT-76 car is payroll for the hit naval forces participated in the campaign the amphibious landing ship from the coast and islands, perform tasks and assist in support and firepower, destroy the car armored enemy.





Therefore amphibious vehicle capable of good, but only thin armor (ensuring the pool), weighing 14 tons. With 240 hp engine, the car has a top speed of 44km dirt road is / h, speed amphibious 10.2 km / h. In Vietnam, the PT-76 tanks were involved in many campaigns as Route 9 South Laos campaign, campaign synergistic An Loc and arms for several major campaigns.

Although there have been in service for a long time, PT-76 tanks remains a disruptive force defensive line hit the coast of the naval amphibious operations in the sea, crossing the coastal complex terrain shore and open corridors for infantry attacks.

In modern warfare, PT-76 has important weaknesses to overcome. That's weak firepower, artillery slow speeds (6-8 player / min), no air defense capability, no gun stabilization system - the viewfinder to shoot precisely so cars had to stop watching. Slow speed maneuverability both on water and on land.




Group special machinery production and metallurgy Russia has launched proposals designed to modernize amphibious tanks PT-76. Increase installed high rate of fire artillery, missile control systems and anti-sniper sight, fire control system of the new. This proposal could enhance the service life of the PT-76 for several more years. PT-76 car bodywork retains only, chassis and motion systems.

PT modernization plans - 76 to maximize firepower of tanks. Designers have proposed to completely replace the turret and armament.


The turret is designed according to the new model, mounted 57 mm automatic cannon, rocket launchers 4 anti-tank guided Cornet; Kord heavy machine guns of 12.7 mm; automatic grenade launcher AG-30; fire control system highly automated range and opto-electronic devices searched target detection.

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some of Indonesian PT-76 had been modernized, using caterpillar engines, newest and robust suspension system, some of the cannon being replaced with Cockerill 90 mm low pressurized gun

 

[Viet]

@madokafc

do you want to say Indonesia can upgrade our light tanks with a competitive price?

 

[xiao qi]

aqsuperman may have left when you joined with a few others to attack/criticize VN government.



Maybe it would be a good idea for you to rescind your fierce criticism and apologize to aqsuperman and the fellow Vietnamese countrymen who might be offended.

he was banned by wrong actions in somewhere. Something wrong when i and some fellows blame for vietnamese government? I live and grow in Vietnam too, im also a patriot man and want vietnam becoming a developed country..So i hate our government's corruption, Isnt it right?

 

[Bennedict]

@madokafc

do you want to say Indonesia can upgrade our light tanks with a competitive price?

We're upgrading them during 90's with help from NIMDA Israel, they're already bankrupt though, better replace them with better armoured vehicles, like BMP-3.

PT-76's armor so thin that HMG fire might penetrate them with ease from sides. Ours were replaced with the better BMP-3F, although many still in service as an infantry support and training role.

 

[Carlosa]

aqsuperman may have left when you joined with a few others to attack/criticize VN government.

Maybe it would be a good idea for you to rescind your fierce criticism and apologize to aqsuperman and the fellow Vietnamese countrymen who might be offended.

Lets get some basic things clear here. A couple of weeks ago or so, the Vietnamese prime minister, Mr. Phuc said that government corruption is the biggest problem in Vietnam.

So, are you saying that the Vietnamese prime minister was wrong?
Who are you to say that I should apologize for saying the same type of things that the Vietnamese prime minister said?
Did you ask PM Phuc to apologize because of his statements?
Did he offend you because of those statements? Hearing the truth is offensive to you?

Some Vietnamese people prefer to look the other way and not mind the corruption in Vietnam. I say that they are the ones that should apologize because by looking the other way and criticizing those who bring it up, they have become accessories to the corruption, so they should apologize to the majority of the Vietnamese people who is constantly been victimized by government corruption.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

aqsuperman may have left when you joined with a few others to attack/criticize VN government.



Maybe it would be a good idea for you to rescind your fierce criticism and apologize to aqsuperman and the fellow Vietnamese countrymen who might be offended.

Let me clear something, maybe those would be harsh.

In 21st century, Millennium + 16, there is no hope for single party rule in anywhere in world.

I m not lecturing on democracy, but those are hard realities.

Communism & single party rule concept was dead on 25th Dec 1991. There is no hope for them.

And without scrutiny, and single party rule, it obviously invite corruption and coverups. And no questions asked. Just check the China, how much fukd up they are.

The Communist Party of Vietnam can delay this inevitable that there citizens won't demand democracy. But not for long.

 

[vtnsx]

aqsuperman may have left when you joined with a few others to attack/criticize VN government.



Maybe it would be a good idea for you to rescind your fierce criticism and apologize to aqsuperman and the fellow Vietnamese countrymen who might be offended.

William Hung, I guess I was wrong about you too. AQSuperman is nothing but a troll in this forum. There is nothing wrong with his pride regarding VN government.. but too much pride is never healthy. Please don't take your pride to fuel your emotion with anger and impaired your judgement. VN Government has the good and the bad. In this case, the bad outweighs the good. People are not dumb and they recognize the imbalance of power so they voiced out. Everyone is free to think and express themselves freely. You shouldn't tell people how to think or behave without knowing why, and judge them based on their criticism without knowing how they came to that opinion.

If Vietnamese cannot understand the word "transparency" then obviously, they aren't ready for a better country and government. Thank god, not every Vietnamese are that ignorant. Nobody is perfect but that doesn't mean people/government cannot improve its self/structure and strive to be better. I do see that VN government is improving, there's no doubt about that. Having the right people running for VN government is always a better start. The struggle is real. But, there's always that but. VN government used to lie to people to get what they want and this is where I cannot trust them, yet.

 

[Carlosa]

William Hung, I guess I was wrong about you too. AQSuperman is nothing but a troll in this forum. There is nothing wrong with his pride regarding VN government.. but too much pride is never healthy. Please don't take your pride to fuel your emotion with anger and impaired your judgement. VN Government has the good and the bad. In this case, the bad outweighs the good. People are not dumb and they recognize the imbalance of power so they voiced out. Everyone is free to think and express themselves freely. You shouldn't tell people how to think or behave without knowing why, and judge them based on their criticism without knowing how they came to that opinion.

If Vietnamese cannot understand the word "transparency" then obviously, they aren't ready for a better country and government. Thank god, not every Vietnamese are that ignorant. Nobody is perfect but that doesn't mean people/government cannot improve its self/structure and strive to be better. I do see that VN government is improving, there's no doubt about that. Having the right people running for VN government is always a better start. The struggle is real. But, there's always that but. VN government used to lie to people to get what they want and this is where I cannot trust them, yet.

The type of pride that these people have is called "false pride".

The definition of false pride: False pride is presenting yourself to others (and yourself) as something you are not - a man without flaws. In this particular case, a country without flaws. False pride has to do with claiming that you are more than you believe you are, and that you know more than you believe you know. This kind of pride almost always requires outside confirmation or approval to cover up an inner feeling of inadequacy.

True pride has to do with acknowledging and respecting who you are and what you can do, without any outside confirmation or approval. In this particular case, acknowledging the negative elements of your country.

Actually, I like PM Phuc a lot. I think he truly cares and wants to fix things, but he has an uphill struggle. Best of luck to him.

 

[3Kingdoms]

Guy's been watching video of 'Normandy Invasion'

Basically allies sent planes for recon, then sent bombers to destroy high value assets. That makes me think, Vietnam needs those S400s' to protect the mainland. But small island in spratly is out of mainlands defence umbrella. China H6K can knock out Extra missiles with cruise missiles (forget about Orbiter UAVs).
We can try camouflage the Extra missiles, but with satellite and modern recon cameras things are looking rubbish. How do we defend against H6K? Are weaponizing these small island a waste of money?

 

[Nike]

We're upgrading them during 90's with help from NIMDA Israel, they're already bankrupt though, better replace them with better armoured vehicles, like BMP-3.

PT-76's armor so thin that HMG fire might penetrate them with ease from sides. Ours were replaced with the better BMP-3F, although many still in service as an infantry support and training role.

well local company like Pindad still offering upgrade package though, as what they did with good ol man amx13

 

[Carlosa]

well local company like Pindad still offering upgrade package though, as what they did with good ol man amx13

Depending on how its going to be used, it can make good sense to upgrade the PT-76.

A PT-76 upgraded with a new turret with a 76mm gun makes a lot of sense, that gun has a high rate of fire, which is very important if the PT-76 will be used for infantry support. A 57mm trumps the typical 30mm found in most IFVs.

The armor needs to have extra plates added so that it can became closer to what is standard for an IFV.
Most IFV vehicles can't handle more than 30mm incoming fire and some can't even handle that. Very few can handle more than 30mm.

Vietnam has 450 PT-76s, so it makes sense to upgrade them and use them for the army as infantry support. Once with added armor, it might not be amphibious any more, but that's ok for the army. I'm not sure if the water jets can be upgraded to handle more weight. Some amphibious vehicles are 22 plus tons.

If they are going to be used for the marines as front line amphibious armor on the other hand, they would definitely need to be replaced in that role.

For the marines, Vietnam is replacing them with BMP-3 F and the BTR-60 is getting replaced with the BTR-82.

Guy's been watching video of 'Normandy Invasion'

Basically allies sent planes for recon, then sent bombers to destroy high value assets. That makes me think, Vietnam needs those S400s' to protect the mainland. But small island in spratly is out of mainlands defence umbrella. China H6K can knock out Extra missiles with cruise missiles (forget about Orbiter UAVs).
We can try camouflage the Extra missiles, but with satellite and modern recon cameras things are looking rubbish. How do we defend against H6K? Are weaponizing these small island a waste of money?

Correct, that's the whole point. Those islands are outside the mainland protective umbrella, so there isn't much that can be done at the moment. Can't go head to head with the chinese in that area. Those islands are actually inside the chinese defensive umbrella, so there is no point in weaponizing the islands beyond a certain point, just enough to make it clear that there will be a real fight, that's all. After that, just heavy retaliation against the chinese islands as a deterrent.

 

[Aqsuperman]

Uh.........actually im still around though. Just not really like the tone of some people claim the need to "wipe out" the entire goverment and cause political instability just to fix the ongoing problem including corruption so i just browns for news and stuffs. I have NO need for an apologize or anything resemble it so please dont put words into my mouth, its very disgusting and retard...............Still, for someone to say that i just a troll, maybe someone need to go and take few looks around the world and see how "democracy" works.

There are admirable success and of course catastrophic failures as well. With the current level of Vietnam citizen cultural standard, its will be just another south vietnam with endless coups and election frauds if democracy to be implanted. Feel free to believe that citizen of a country that cant even throw trash into the can that are 5 steps away can make wonderful and miracle advances by democracy. Your call, i have no arguments otherwise.

Due to several job training requirement, i have little time for anything else. But you do realize that #ATSM and #JK stand for at the end of the post right ?

 

[vtnsx]

Uh.........actually im still around though. Just not really like the tone of some people claim the need to "wipe out" the entire goverment and cause political instability just to fix the ongoing problem including corruption so i just browns for news and stuffs. I have NO need for an apologize or anything resemble it so please dont put words into my mouth, its very disgusting and retard...............Still, for someone to say that i just a troll, maybe someone need to go and take few looks around the world and see how "democracy" works.

There are admirable success and of course catastrophic failures as well. With the current level of Vietnam citizen cultural standard, its will be just another south vietnam with endless coups and election frauds if democracy to be implanted. Feel free to believe that citizen of a country that cant even throw trash into the can that are 5 steps away can make wonderful and miracle advances by democracy. Your call, i have no arguments otherwise.

Due to several job training requirement, i have little time for anything else. But you do realize that #ATSM and #JK stand for at the end of the post right ?

"Still, for someone to say that i just a troll, maybe someone need to go and take few looks around the world and see how "democracy" works. "

That is a good advice for yourself, AQ.

Your knowledge about Democracy is very limited. But your judgement is very strong; however, it is baseless. I can understand where you came from, but Democracy is not what you think it is.. Democracy has orders and structures. Same with Communist, however, Democracy is more well structured and much more organized and complicated. Democracy is not the same for every country. Some countries has different rules and regulations. Those rules and regulations are usually created because of a previous incident such as terrorist attack. Not every Democratic countries face the same problem.

The big difference between a Communist country vs a Democratic country is that people are protected by rules of laws and regulations. Those laws are protected by the Constitution. Those who challenge the Constitution are punished, this include government officials. They are not immune to it. Another difference is that the Media are allowed to say what they want and how they feel. The government are not allowed to interfere with the media. Why? because less government control of the media means more "TRANSPARENCY" for the country. Of course, the Media are not that dumb to spew garbage about its Government because they will be criticize rightful-fully by the people. This is why you got things like "Youtube" with rating system.

It is so obvious that Democracy is much more refined than Communism of Vietnam/China. Refinement is a process of taking in CRITICISM and analyze and acknowledge those criticism to see if power is balanced/fair for the people. There's a reason why it is hard for the US government to ban the sales of weapon to its citizens. That is because the US has what is called The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

This is to prevent the US Government from turning to Communist/Dictatorship.
Simply put it, the US and A hates COMMUNIST!!!!

 

[Carlosa]

Uh.........actually im still around though. Just not really like the tone of some people claim the need to "wipe out" the entire goverment and cause political instability just to fix the ongoing problem including corruption so i just browns for news and stuffs. I have NO need for an apologize or anything resemble it so please dont put words into my mouth, its very disgusting and retard...............Still, for someone to say that i just a troll, maybe someone need to go and take few looks around the world and see how "democracy" works.

There are admirable success and of course catastrophic failures as well. With the current level of Vietnam citizen cultural standard, its will be just another south vietnam with endless coups and election frauds if democracy to be implanted. Feel free to believe that citizen of a country that cant even throw trash into the can that are 5 steps away can make wonderful and miracle advances by democracy. Your call, i have no arguments otherwise.

Due to several job training requirement, i have little time for anything else. But you do realize that #ATSM and #JK stand for at the end of the post right ?

Its good to see that you are still around and its good to know that someone else was just putting words in your mouth.

Myself, I support Vietnam, that means that I support Vietnam as a country and as a people. I try to avoid getting into politics, but I do have a very thin patience for corruption. Corruption is an issue that is widely mentioned and talked about in Vietnam by the public, the press and the government itself, so I see no issues because of talking about that. If some people don't like to see discussion on that issue, well, its their problem. Nobody is forcing them to come to PDF if they don't like the subject.