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[Carlosa]

Yes imagine, you invite your Chinese business partners to your home. Next day, when returning to China, they will claim they were the first who discover your garden, your kitchen, your home, worse, Danang is Chinese, everything they see it is Chinese since ancient time. It must be Chinese humour.

In Danang this week, 6 illegal chinese tour guides were fined and deported because of working illegally and "distorting vietnamese historical facts" such as telling people that the waters and beaches of Danang should be chinese territory, etc, etc.

 

[Viet]

The coast guard possesses a fleet of 6 x DHC-6 airplanes. 3 are used as transport aircraft, 3 as surveillance patrol aircraft with system ELM-2022A onboard, capable to track and monitor 256 targets on water surface at any given time.

Text and Images courtesy to tintuc.vn and Vietnam People's Army.





Ngoài Ka-28, hiện Việt Nam là một trong 3 quốc gia ở khu vực sở hữu thủy phi cơ tuần thám biển DHC-6. Ảnh: DHC-6 chạy đà cất cánh trên mặt nước. Nguồn: Kênh QPVN

Cất cánh từ mặt nước Biển Đông. Nguồn: Kênh QPVN




Việt Nam đã mua chiếc 6 chiếc thủy phi cơ DHC-6 để trang bị cho hải quân, trong đó 3 chiếc được cấu hình vận chuyển khách, hàng hóa còn ba chiếc trang bị hệ thống radar hiện đại để giám sát biển. Nguồn: Kênh QPVN


Các phi công Việt Nam nay đã làm chủ hoàn toàn việc vận hành DHC-6 mà không cần các phi công nước ngoài kèm. Nguồn: Kênh QPVN





Hệ thống hiển thị thông số từ radar giám sát hàng hải ELM-2022A và hệ thống cảm biến quang - điện - hồng ngoni MiniPOP trên DHC-6. Trong đó, ELM-2022A có khả năng quét và theo dõi đồng thời lên tới 256 mục tiêu trên biển với hiệu suất đã được đánh giá là "tuyệt vời". Nguồn: Kênh QPVN





Đặc biệt, DHC-6 ngoài khả năng cất hạ cánh trên mặt nước còn có thể cất hạ cánh đường bằng ngắn chỉ vài trăm mét. Cho nên, vài năm gần đây, DHC-6 đã được KQHQ Việt Nam sử dụng nhiều cho các chuyến bay ra đảo Trường Sa Lớn. Nguồn: Kênh QPVN




Ảnh: Máy bay DHC-6 tháo bộ phao, hạ cánh trine đảo Trường Sa Lớn. Nguồn: Kênh QPVN

 

[Nilgiri]

Yes imagine, you invite your Chinese business partners to your home. Next day, when returning to China, they will claim they were the first who discover your garden, your kitchen, your home, worse, Danang is Chinese, everything they see it is Chinese since ancient time. It must be Chinese humour.

The south west coast line of India is in trouble since Zheng He visited there . There are still plaques he left stating his visit....and Chinese style fishing nets are used there still.

The precedent must not be allowed to be set by the Chinese! So thats why every civilised thinking country in the world must get behind Vietnam in this SCS issue.

 

[Viet]

The south west coast line of India is in trouble since Zheng He visited there . There are still plaques he left stating his visit....and Chinese style fishing nets are used there still.

The precedent must not be allowed to be set by the Chinese! So thats why every civilised thinking country in the world must get behind Vietnam in this SCS issue.

yes everybody now knows the Ming eunuch, thanks to chinese propaganda.

but the propaganda always hides the funny part: soon after the many vogages, the emperor ordered to burn down the entire highsee fleet, closing china border, forbidding foreign trades. I wonder how the chinese claim controlling the sea, exercising sovereinty over the islands, over the south china sea for a very long period without ships?

 

[Nilgiri]

I wonder how the chinese claim controlling the sea, exercising sovereinty over the islands, over the south china sea for a very long period without ships?

Its the same logic by which an African country in the great rift valley can claim the sovereignty of the whole humanity....because a theory (whether true or not) is there that establishes all humans originate from there.

It is basically a logic that has no understanding of what a modern political entity is. When you mix it with fuzzy historical based ego, combine it with episodes of humiliation in between and mix it all together with general nationalistic fervour....you get this rubber band phenomenon where China thinks it has a RIGHT over what it claims on such a loose basis simply because it feels it has demonstrated the MIGHT.

Therefore we have to keep proving to them (and ourselves) that they have not demonstrated their might sufficiently, nor will we allow any future demo to be easy or successful (without grievous consequences for them)....and that this does not establish any right anyway....and that right by itself is based on a theory with way too many holes.

Its the nature of the middle kingdom ego, it has to be deflated in equal measure by the reality to what they stoke it up with each passing year...so that a status quo is at least maintained. Because if that equilibrium is not enforced, bad unnecessary things happen. But so far at their highest levels, they seem to realise the reality of their predicament....but it suits them to keep their people believing otherwise (it distracts negative attention away from the CPC after all).

 

[Carlosa]

@Viet @Aqsuperman I saw this in comcom, not sure if its a joke or for real. What do you think? We were just talking about Aster the other day. Aster and Mica missiles for Sigma 10514 ships? Not clear if both missiles are for ships or only the Mica. The Aster contract that was talked about before was for the land based version.

Damn, I want Indian ships with Barak 8, not this overpriced European stuff. Barak 8 is $1 million, Aster 30 is $2.5-3 million. European ships will come with Exocet, I'd like to see Brahmos or Kalibr.

Điểm tin trưa

Sau thất bại của đội tuyển Pháp trước Bồ Đào Nha tại chung kết Euro 2016, Bộ Quốc phòng Đông Lào tuyên bố đã hoàn tất việc ký hợp đồng đặt mua 200 quả tên lửa phòng không Aster-30 (tầm bắn 120 km, ước tính 2,5-3 triệu USD/quả) và 240 quả VL MICA (tầm bắn 20 km, giá 1,5 triệu USD/quả) từ tập đoàn MBDA. Các tên lửa này dự kiến sẽ được trang bị trên loạt tàu hộ vệ tên lửa và khu trục đang được phía Hà Lan đóng cho Đông Lào.

Phía Đông Lào cũng tỏ ý hài lòng với việc Pháp để thua trong trận đấu vừa rồi, cho biết nước này đang rất trông đợi vào các hợp đồng sắp tới, dự kiến sẽ được ký kết vào năm 2018. Quán bia ‪#‎ComCom‬ sẽ đưa tin thêm về các thương vụ này trong thời gian tới.

- Quán bia tổng hợp -

The lunch
After the failure of the National Team France before Portugal at the euro 2016 final, the department of defense east laos declare complete and sign the contract to purchase 200 rmissiles Aster-30 (Shooting range for 120 miles, an estimate 2,5-3 million USD per missile) and 240 VL Mica missiles (range, 20 miles, price $ 1,5 million per missile) from Reece Mbda. The fire will be equipment on a series of missile escort ships and the shaft is in the Netherlands, close to the east.

East Laos (Vietnam) also deliberately happy to France to lose in the game right now, know the water is very expected in the upcoming contract, will be signed in year 2018. The bar beer ‪#‎comcom‬ Trust will get you more information about this deal in time for me.
- Bar Beer Total -
‪#‎Atsm‬. ‪#‎JK‬

 

[Nilgiri]

@Carlosa are you fluent in Vietnamese?

 

[Carlosa]

@Carlosa are you fluent in Vietnamese?

Not really, know basic stuff only.

 

[Viet]

@Viet @Aqsuperman I saw this in comcom, nut sure if its a joke or for real. What do you think? We were just talking about Aster the other day. Aster and Mica missiles for Sigma 10514 ships? Not clear if both missiles are for ships or only the Mica. The Aster contract that was talked about before was for the land based version.

Damn, I want Indian ships with Barak 8, not this overpriced European stuff. Barak 8 is $1 million, Aster 30 is $2.5-3 million.

Điểm tin trưa

Sau thất bại của đội tuyển Pháp trước Bồ Đào Nha tại chung kết Euro 2016, Bộ Quốc phòng Đông Lào tuyên bố đã hoàn tất việc ký hợp đồng đặt mua 200 quả tên lửa phòng không Aster-30 (tầm bắn 120 km, ước tính 2,5-3 triệu USD/quả) và 240 quả VL MICA (tầm bắn 20 km, giá 1,5 triệu USD/quả) từ tập đoàn MBDA. Các tên lửa này dự kiến sẽ được trang bị trên loạt tàu hộ vệ tên lửa và khu trục đang được phía Hà Lan đóng cho Đông Lào.

Phía Đông Lào cũng tỏ ý hài lòng với việc Pháp để thua trong trận đấu vừa rồi, cho biết nước này đang rất trông đợi vào các hợp đồng sắp tới, dự kiến sẽ được ký kết vào năm 2018. Quán bia ‪#‎ComCom‬ sẽ đưa tin thêm về các thương vụ này trong thời gian tới.

- Quán bia tổng hợp -

The lunch
After the failure of the National Team France before Portugal at the euro 2016 final, the department of defense east laos declare complete and sign the contract to purchase 200 rmissiles Aster-30 (Shooting range for 120 miles, an estimate 2,5-3 million USD per missile) and 240 VL Mica missiles (range, 20 miles, price $ 1,5 million per missile) from Reece Mbda. The fire will be equipment on a series of missile escort ships and the shaft is in the Netherlands, close to the east.

East Laos (Vietnam) also deliberately happy to France to lose in the game right now, know the water is very expected in the upcoming contract, will be signed in year 2018. The bar beer ‪#‎comcom‬ Trust will get you more information about this deal in time for me.
- Bar Beer Total -
‪#‎Atsm‬. ‪#‎JK‬

the people of comcom have a weird humour. it is better if they speak clear text.

google translator does a good job, but it can´t translate what the writer wants to say.

basically it says, as of today Vietnam signs a contract with MBDA defence company of buying 200 x Aster-30 and 240 x VL MICA. it adds, the missiles will install on surface warships, currently under construction in the Netherland, we can safely assume, the missiles are designed for aerial fleet defence on Sigma frigates. Probably type Sigma 10514, yes we talked on in another day.

further, it says, we negotiate with the French on undisclosed military items. a contract could be signed in 2018.

undisclosed items?

well, it can range from Scorpène submarine to frigate to destroyer.

 

[Carlosa]

the people of comcom have a weird humour. it is better if they speak clear text.

google translator does a good job, but it can´t translate what the writer wants to say.

basically it says, as of today Vietnam signs a contract with MBDA defence company of buying 200 x Aster-30 and 240 x VL MICA. it adds, the missiles will install on surface warships, currently under construction in the Netherland, we can safely assume, the missiles are designed for aerial fleet defence on Sigma frigates. Probably type Sigma 10514, yes we talked on in another day.

further, it says, we negotiate with the French on undisclosed military items. a contract could be signed in 2018.

undisclosed items?

well, it can range from Scorpène submarine to frigate to destroyer.

Sigma ships come with Exocet, I don't like that. The chinese will laugh at Exocet. I'd like to see Brahmos or Kalibr. I did improve the Google translation a bit, it was worse.

 

[Viet]

Sigma ships come with Exocet, I don't like that. The chinese will laugh at Exocet. I'd like to see Brahmos or Kalibr. I did improve the Google translation a bit, it was worse.

here is my bet.

our next Gepard and Molynia will carry Kalibr. there is a GO from Russia.

Brahmos, not yet, negotiation still ongoing, a deal could be concluded with India end of this year. if there will be a GO, our ships with brahmos antiship missiles can be on-board of new type of 2,000 ton frigates built by the new Ba Son shipyard.

Exocet, Aster, Mica are very expensive. the Navy wants to signal to the Russians, we can buy from European defence companies, reducing our dependency on a large single provider, a better price, more technology transfer. second, the high price of such missiles (if $3 millions a piece, then it is a crazy overpriced price) only makes sense if we get access to the technology.

 

[Carlosa]

here is my bet.

our next Gepard and Molynia will carry Kalibr. there is a GO from Russia.

Brahmos, not yet, negotiation still ongoing, a deal could be concluded with India end of this year. if there will be a GO, our ships with brahmos antiship missiles can be on-board of new type of 2,000 ton frigates built by the new Ba Son shipyard.

Exocet, Aster, Mica are very expensive. the Navy wants to signal to the Russians, we can buy from European defence companies, reducing our dependency on a large single provider, a better price, more technology transfer. second, the high price of such missiles (if $3 millions a piece, then it is a crazy overpriced price) only makes sense if we get access to the technology.

It makes sense. I hope you are right about Exocet, Aster and Mica.

I'd like to see a improved Talwar class from India with a good load of Barak 8 and at least 8 Brahmos, but prefer 16.

This is the improved Russian version of the Talwar, Admiral Gregorovich. 4000 tons.

 

[Viet]

Helis

Ka-28 can operate both day and night, also in conditions up to sea state 5 and at ranges up to 200 km from the take-off pads. we can expect the number of Ka-28 (currently seven configured as submarine hunter) to increase with time to come, as new Gepard frigates come on the scene. the helis are equipped with radar, sonar, sound buoys, able to detect enemy submerged submarines at a depth of 500 m, fighting them with a variety of weapons including 400 mm torpedoes.

 

[William Hung]

@Viet @Aqsuperman I saw this in comcom, not sure if its a joke or for real. What do you think? We were just talking about Aster the other day. Aster and Mica missiles for Sigma 10514 ships? Not clear if both missiles are for ships or only the Mica. The Aster contract that was talked about before was for the land based version.

Damn, I want Indian ships with Barak 8, not this overpriced European stuff. Barak 8 is $1 million, Aster 30 is $2.5-3 million. European ships will come with Exocet, I'd like to see Brahmos or Kalibr.

Điểm tin trưa

Sau thất bại của đội tuyển Pháp trước Bồ Đào Nha tại chung kết Euro 2016, Bộ Quốc phòng Đông Lào tuyên bố đã hoàn tất việc ký hợp đồng đặt mua 200 quả tên lửa phòng không Aster-30 (tầm bắn 120 km, ước tính 2,5-3 triệu USD/quả) và 240 quả VL MICA (tầm bắn 20 km, giá 1,5 triệu USD/quả) từ tập đoàn MBDA. Các tên lửa này dự kiến sẽ được trang bị trên loạt tàu hộ vệ tên lửa và khu trục đang được phía Hà Lan đóng cho Đông Lào.

Phía Đông Lào cũng tỏ ý hài lòng với việc Pháp để thua trong trận đấu vừa rồi, cho biết nước này đang rất trông đợi vào các hợp đồng sắp tới, dự kiến sẽ được ký kết vào năm 2018. Quán bia ‪#‎ComCom‬ sẽ đưa tin thêm về các thương vụ này trong thời gian tới.

- Quán bia tổng hợp -

The lunch
After the failure of the National Team France before Portugal at the euro 2016 final, the department of defense east laos declare complete and sign the contract to purchase 200 rmissiles Aster-30 (Shooting range for 120 miles, an estimate 2,5-3 million USD per missile) and 240 VL Mica missiles (range, 20 miles, price $ 1,5 million per missile) from Reece Mbda. The fire will be equipment on a series of missile escort ships and the shaft is in the Netherlands, close to the east.

East Laos (Vietnam) also deliberately happy to France to lose in the game right now, know the water is very expected in the upcoming contract, will be signed in year 2018. The bar beer ‪#‎comcom‬ Trust will get you more information about this deal in time for me.
- Bar Beer Total -
‪#‎Atsm‬. ‪#‎JK‬

aqsuperman may have left when you joined with a few others to attack/criticize VN government.

aqsuperman may have left when you joined with a few others to attack/criticize VN government.

Maybe it would be a good idea for you to rescind your fierce criticism and apologize to aqsuperman and the fellow Vietnamese countrymen who might be offended.

 

[Viet]

this thread is not a place for political correctness. it is all about updating, discussing unlimited topics on vietnamese army history, its activities and the people, it is about exchanging opinions, regardless if right or wrong in the first place. also it is about expressing critics and thanks. it is not the right place to glorify a party. other places are better suitable. so what do I want to say?

@Carlosa
unless it is about racism, personal attack or insult, I see no need to anyone to apology to any individual posters who may have felt offended. demanding such a thing is out of place.