Vietnam Defence Forum

[Soryu]

Why? Because Viet Nam is stupid enough to consider Russia as a "friend" while Russia treats Viet Nam like a beggar whenever Viet Nam buys weapons from them. The Russian are notorious for their dishonesty when it's come to delivering warship on time. They always drag the project out while demanding more money from their customers. Even the Indian taste that bitterness, what makes you think Viet Nam is immuned from it?

Buying the first 2 Gepard is already a mistake but continue buying 2 more from the Russian is beyond stupid. Viet Nam has no one to blame for except herself. Only stupid and naive Vietnamese would consider the Russian as a "friend". Viet Nam is not a beggar, we paid a total of $800 millions including armaments for these 4 Gepards; the corrupted leaders of Viet Nam need act like Viet Nam is a customer and not a beggar infront of the Russian. As a Vietnamese nationalist, I would rather see the military spend $800 millions for Viettel R&D Institute then buying these 4 Gepard craps.

I think you misunderstand in here.

First, look at Submarine, fighter, and Air-defense deals. The keel of fisrt Sub laid down in 2010, and we will receive two Subs in end of 2013. And in 2013, they laid down the keel of 6th Submarine for Vietnam . Is it slow or late!?

Second, look at Russian Navy and ship-building industry. They have delay Admiral Gorshkov-class (22350 project), a 4000 tons frigate for so long, they have to buy Mistral class from France, but they also produce new weapon like Borei class Submarine, S-400, S-500 AAW system, Sukoi T-50 Gen 5 fighter....

So, it's clear, their surface-combatant ship-bulding section has problem. Because after SU collapsed, there was no big deal or required about surface-combatant ship for Russian Navy. It's so clear, in their condition, they must protect their land before strong enough to expansive in open sea. So, they were lagged behind in this section. I think this is main reason.

Third, Viettel R&D Institute is a part of Viettel corporation, a Government's company, so their investments also came from Government.

 

[Viet]

Why? Because Viet Nam is stupid enough to consider Russia as a "friend" while Russia treats Viet Nam like a beggar whenever Viet Nam buys weapons from them...

keep a cool head bro, I think one reason is we lack of money (as usual), the other is lack of long term thinking.

 

[Soryu]

The last plane (8983) of total 3 CASA C212-400 for Vietnam Marine Police came Gia Lam Air-base in this morning, 16-07-2013.

 

[Viet]

I think Vietnam Navy needs more toys urgently in the next 5 years at sea: 6 more attack submarines, 4 more frigates, and last but not least 4 destroyers. Additional $5 bn should be mobilised for this.

 

[Nike]

I think Vietnam Navy needs more toys urgently in the next 5 years at sea: 6 more attack submarines, 4 more frigates, and last but not least 4 destroyers. Additional $5 bn should be mobilised for this.

I think 5 billion US dollar only enough to bough 4 to five modern Fregate like De Zeven Provincien Class, including their hardware and logistic supports. If thats your wish list, at least you must prepare some 10 to 11 billion US dollar IMHO.

 

[cnleio]

I think 5 billion US dollar only enough to bough 4 to five modern Fregate like De Zeven Provincien Class, including their hardware and logistic supports. If thats your wish list, at least you must prepare some 10 to 11 billion US dollar IMHO.

Agree, 5 billion U.S dollar at most for 5x modern Frigates and logistic supports.

Today any phased array radar air-defense DDG at least each cost 1-1.5billion U.S dollar (for example 1996 China bought 4x Sovremenny class DDG from Russia,of course today not advanced each cost 0.7 U.S dollar. China 052C DDG 0.9billion and 052D over 1 billion U.S dollar, West air-defense DDGs higher price). They need prepare another 5billion U.S dollar to at most purchase 4x modern destroyers. Last time Vietnam signed with Russia 2.1billion U.S dollar to purchase 6x Kilo submarines.

So i think today the reasonable price for 6 attack submarines + 4x more frigate + 4x destroyers = 12 to 13billion U.S dollar

 

[hurt]

I think Vietnam Navy needs more toys urgently in the next 5 years at sea: 6 more attack submarines, 4 more frigates, and last but not least 4 destroyers. Additional $5 bn should be mobilised for this.

6 attack submarines -->$3 bn（only kilo，214 and Scorpène-class more expensive ）
4 frigates -->$2 bn（3000t,4000t need $3 bn）
4 destroyers -->$4 bn（6000t)
$5 bn

 

[Viet]

6 attack submarines -->$3 bn（only kilo，214 and Scorpène-class more expensive ）
4 frigates -->$2 bn（3000t,4000t need $3 bn）
4 destroyers -->$4 bn（6000t)
$5 bn

what I am thinking of is Russia to transfer shipbuilding technology to Vietnam, and we build naval vessels by ourselves. I remember that they promised to do that at the last Russia-Vietnam summit. Otherwise $5bn is not enough.

Vietnam latest news - Thanh Nien Daily | Russia seeks closer naval ties with Vietnam

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu (2nd, L) and his Vietnamese counterpart Phung Quang Thanh after talks at the Ministry of Defense in Hanoi on March 5 2013

 

[hurt]

what I am thinking of is Russia to transfer shipbuilding technology to Vietnam, and we build naval vessels by ourselves. I remember that they promised to do that at the last Russia-Vietnam summit. Otherwise $5bn is not enough.

Vietnam latest news - Thanh Nien Daily | Russia seeks closer naval ties with Vietnam

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu (2nd, L) and his Vietnamese counterpart Phung Quang Thanh after talks at the Ministry of Defense in Hanoi on March 5 2013

next 5 years　Vietnamese build submarines ,frigates and destroyers
They are not missile boat.

 

[Viet]

next 5 years　Vietnamese build submarines ,frigates and destroyers
They are not missile boat.

I know that is too ambitious. Can China help? We are friends

Vietnamese General Vinh visits PLA's Peacekeeping Centre in Beijing, June 5th 2013

 

[Nike]

what I am thinking of is Russia to transfer shipbuilding technology to Vietnam, and we build naval vessels by ourselves. I remember that they promised to do that at the last Russia-Vietnam summit. Otherwise $5bn is not enough.

Vietnam latest news - Thanh Nien Daily | Russia seeks closer naval ties with Vietnam

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu (2nd, L) and his Vietnamese counterpart Phung Quang Thanh after talks at the Ministry of Defense in Hanoi on March 5 2013

even your government must taking inflation rates seriously because Naval ship programs is multi years program which cannot be completed just in 4 to 7 years, to build a modern ship from scratch including building Naval Shipyard for local production will add enormous additional cost and times besides an already enormous technological and manpower you need to run those naval shipyard. And then your government must thinking to keeps the production line stay alive, if its not your Naval shipyard will became burden for your government and your skilled workers just will run away because they had no job to do. PT PAL from Indonesia had experienced that, and we had lost almost 4000 skilled workers because we cannot maintain the production line keep running during 98 Asian Monetary Crisis.

 

[Viet]

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I got it. It makes everything much easier if we can print Dollars

 

[Nike]

I got it. It makes everything much easier if we can print Dollars

Only determination, commitment, good planning, good friend and allies and surely the availability a lot of money can overcame all obstacle while building a decent Naval Forces, and i think your gov. had the gut and all of what i mention above, albeit the issue about money (budgetary) is very crucial for your Country.

 

[Tanja]

It is very interesting and inspiring reading through and seeing photos here, I thought Vietnam is still using bad equipment and old tanks and military stuffs remaining after the US invasion time . Now I know that I was wrong

 

[hurt]

I know that is too ambitious. Can China help? We are friends

Vietnamese General Vinh visits PLA's Peacekeeping Centre in Beijing, June 5th 2013

If you said it before 1977,we must help you.but now