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[Viet]

The army sells stakes in Hà Đô 756 Sài Gòn, a property company. Probably in line of government policy to reduce stakes in private companies and concentrate on the primary role of defense.

 

[TenLua]

Bro, I just feel funny when someone think VN system is corrupted like cancer while they dont know that US,EU system are far corrupted than VN. The different is that corruption in VN is illegal while in EU,US its Legal and they call it by flowery words like "lobby money".

Of course VN will try hard to clean corruption and we can do it. But capitalist system can not.

U think German system look good ?? Just bcs daddy US make German system look good, not bcs German ppl is smart enough to create good system. German and JP only good at making mess to their countries like in WW2 and finnaly die in this mess.

Without daddy US, Soviet union will come and annex their lands, and their "transparent system" will be not powerful enough to stop Soviet/Russia invasion while VN surely will deafeat any invaders again and again.

Viet loves VN as much as the next guy, but tey not to invest too much emotion into this conversation. All he is saying is this: In order to fix a problem, we have to admit that there is a problem. And this goes for individual and state level. You’re not going to fix s flat tire on your car until you know and admit that the tire is flat.

I understand your patriotism. But patriotism in its purest form is simply wanting the best for your countrymen and not blindly believing that your country is the best.

It is a given that the west is also corrupted. Our corruption is legalized. This is true. We call it lobbying. But like someone above me said, this cannot be used a justification for VN’s corruption.

 

[Viet]

Viet loves VN as much as the next guy, but tey not to invest too much emotion into this conversation. All he is saying is this: In order to fix a problem, we have to admit that there is a problem. And this goes for individual and state level. You’re not going to fix s flat tire on your car until you know and admit that the tire is flat.

I understand your patriotism. But patriotism in its purest form is simply wanting the best for your countrymen and not blindly believing that your country is the best.

It is a given that the west is also corrupted. Our corruption is legalized. This is true. We call it lobbying. But like someone above me said, this cannot be used a justification for VN’s corruption.

I want to see our country moving forward, corruption exists everywhere for sure including here in Germany, yes in some forms in the form of lobby groups. But it's not comparable as corruption in Germany is not as annoying as in Vietnam because in VN it is like day light robbery. VN needs reforms needs tools needs to learn from the best to move forward. The world is moving why should we stand still? Germany is a great country but if compared to Switzerland, the Germans feel inferior to the Swiss. The people living behind the great Alpen mountain do better. Much better.

Back to the thread. The key in defeating Chinese army lies in the ability if our intelligent people in the army can crack chinese military communications code. If we know their intention, their movement, we will win the war. They appear to invest huge sum in securing military code, believing quantum secret communications is secure and uncrackable. The thing is the code is created by human and human usually makes mistakes so I am pretty sure human can decrypt the code.

 

[Carlosa]

Viet loves VN as much as the next guy, but tey not to invest too much emotion into this conversation. All he is saying is this: In order to fix a problem, we have to admit that there is a problem. And this goes for individual and state level. You’re not going to fix s flat tire on your car until you know and admit that the tire is flat.

I understand your patriotism. But patriotism in its purest form is simply wanting the best for your countrymen and not blindly believing that your country is the best.

It is a given that the west is also corrupted. Our corruption is legalized. This is true. We call it lobbying. But like someone above me said, this cannot be used a justification for VN’s corruption.

"In order to fix a problem, we have to admit that there is a problem." Very true. That's how 12 step programs work (to treat addictions such as alcohol, drugs, etc). First have to recognize and accept that you have a problem. Only then can work on fixing the problem.

If you really love your country, you'll try to make it better and you'll be tough with it, not try to overlook or deny the problems in order to "feel good" about it or in order to feed a false sense of nationalistic pride.

 

[AViet]

I want to see our country moving forward, corruption exists everywhere for sure including here in Germany, yes in some forms in the form of lobby groups. But it's not comparable as corruption in Germany is not as annoying as in Vietnam because in VN it is like day light robbery. VN needs reforms needs tools needs to learn from the best to move forward. The world is moving why should we stand still? Germany is a great country but if compared to Switzerland, the Germans feel inferior to the Swiss. The people living behind the great Alpen mountain do better. Much better.

Back to the thread. The key in defeating Chinese army lies in the ability if our intelligent people in the army can crack chinese military communications code. If we know their intention, their movement, we will win the war. They appear to invest huge sum in securing military code, believing quantum secret communications is secure and uncrackable. The thing is the code is created by human and human usually makes mistakes so I am pretty sure human can decrypt the code.

In order to fix the problem, we need to recognize the problem, that is very true. But VN need to recognize the problem by ourselves, from our perspective and with our own means. Never listen to outsiders.

Regardless to whether the advice given with good purposes or bad hidden agendas (generally bad, if from the West), the outsiders will always give us the wrong way to tackle the problems, because they never understand the problem as we do and what we have to tackle the problem. They just says what they think and what they believe, sometimes what they are made to believe. Stupid belief, e.g. democratic institutions will reduce corruption can only cheat the poor third world countries (poodles of the West), not mature people like Vietnamese.

 

[Carlosa]

In order to fix the problem, we need to recognize the problem, that is very true. But VN need to recognize the problem by ourselves, from our perspective and with our own means. Never listen to outsiders.

Regardless to whether the advice given with good purposes or bad hidden agendas (generally bad, if from the West), the outsiders will always give us the wrong way to tackle the problems, because they never understand the problem as we do and what we have to tackle the problem. They just says what they think and what they believe, sometimes what they are made to believe. Stupid belief, e.g. democratic institutions will reduce corruption can only cheat the poor third world countries (poodles of the West), not mature people like Vietnamese.

But of course, foreigners living in Vietnam are not capable of understanding the problems, have agendas and also don't get input from the vietnamese people that are close to them, they are simply incapable of understanding because they are foreigners.

Never mind that Vietnam is very often asking for foreign help from governments and institutions to help them do things in a better way in so many fields, oh no, no need for that. Lets do things just the vietnamese way, which is always better, never mind the habits of peeing in the streets, littering everywhere, the beaches always dirty because most vietnamese people don't have much of a consciousness about the environment, etc, etc. How many times did I read articles about groups of foreigners cleaning a beach by themselves because they are shocked of what many vietnamese people do and want to help? Many times, but its probably because those foreigners have some kind of agenda, yes, sure. Vietnam its the way it is because of vietnamese, not because of foreigners, vietnamese are in control of Vietnam, not the other way around and vietnamese people like you and that other one are the type of people that keep it that way.

I'm done, tired of dealing and talking to useless people here.

 

[Viet]

In order to fix the problem, we need to recognize the problem, that is very true. But VN need to recognize the problem by ourselves, from our perspective and with our own means. Never listen to outsiders.

Regardless to whether the advice given with good purposes or bad hidden agendas (generally bad, if from the West), the outsiders will always give us the wrong way to tackle the problems, because they never understand the problem as we do and what we have to tackle the problem. They just says what they think and what they believe, sometimes what they are made to believe. Stupid belief, e.g. democratic institutions will reduce corruption can only cheat the poor third world countries (poodles of the West), not mature people like Vietnamese.

Bro there is a thin line between greatness and stupidity, and sometimes the line is thinner when one walks along an abyss, believing he can fly if falling. Not the West nor democracy are our enemy but incompetence and ignorance.

 

[AViet]

My English is not so good and cannot say all in one post, but I think everyone understand what I mean to say.

 

[Aqsuperman]

Well, I guess we out of luck, boys. The CSB 8020 has been striped down to the bare 76mm turret. On the bright side, now our Coast Guard got the biggest gun in the region and as strong as the Philippine Navy.

 

[xiao qi]

Well, I guess we out of luck, boys. The CSB 8020 has been striped down to the bare 76mm turret. On the bright side, now our Coast Guard got the biggest gun in the region and as strong as the Philippine Navy.

Not bad, But You should not drag Philippine in our thread.

 

[Viet]

New campus building for VietTel academy in the outskirts of Hanoi. The military run company is the army's greatest asset with some $12 billion in revenue in 2016. Should Viettel go public it can be valued $50 billion in market cap. Great stuff: the company can soon replace all foreign telecom devices by domestically developed ones.

 

[Viva_Viet]

But of course, foreigners living in Vietnam are not capable of understanding the problems, have agendas and also don't get input from the vietnamese people that are close to them, they are simply incapable of understanding because they are foreigners.

Never mind that Vietnam is very often asking for foreign help from governments and institutions to help them do things in a better way in so many fields, oh no, no need for that. Lets do things just the vietnamese way, which is always better, never mind the habits of peeing in the streets, littering everywhere, the beaches always dirty because most vietnamese people don't have much of a consciousness about the environment, etc, etc. How many times did I read articles about groups of foreigners cleaning a beach by themselves because they are shocked of what many vietnamese people do and want to help? Many times, but its probably because those foreigners have some kind of agenda, yes, sure. Vietnam its the way it is because of vietnamese, not because of foreigners, vietnamese are in control of Vietnam, not the other way around and vietnamese people like you and that other one are the type of people that keep it that way.

I'm done, tired of dealing and talking to useless people here.

Communism is Not VN theory. We learn good things from foreigners but seem like some foreigners feel unhappy when we can prove that communism is better then capitalism.

Dont lie abt communism and dont spread that lie to the others, bro. Its true that our govt will try hard to clean corruption cos the govt working for the benefit of Vnese while Govt in EU,US can not do the same, cos they will legalize corruption to protect diry white tycoons who do Nothing good but robbing Tax (cos they are too big to fall ???? ) and selling guns to spychos to kill ppl.

 

[TaiShang]

Chinese Consulate General in Vietnam's Da Nang inaugurated
Xinhua, October 14, 2017

HANOI, Oct. 13 (Xinhua) -- The Chinese Consulate General in Vietnam's central Da Nang city was inaugurated on Friday.

The inauguration was witnessed by more than 400 representatives from various Chinese and Vietnamese institutions.

The new Chinese Consulate General, the second in Vietnam after that in Ho Chi Minh, covers consular works in the six central localities of Thua Thien-Hue, Da Nang, Quang Nam, Quang Ngai, Binh Dinh and Phu Yen.

Addressing the inaugural ceremony, Chinese Ambassador to Vietnam Hong Xiaoyong said the establishment of the Chinese Consulate General in Da Nang is a necessity for the in-depth development of the friendly and cooperative relations between the two countries and is the common aspiration of the two sides to further expand their cooperation sphere.

The Chinese ambassador hoped the Consulate General will, as always, support the development of the motherland, promote the development of friendly relations between China and Vietnam, contribute to the local socioeconomic development and act as a bridge for the friendship between the two peoples.

In an interview with Xinhua, Consul General of the Chinese Consulate General in Da Nang Xi Hui said the establishment of the Chinese Consulate General in the city conforms to the growing need for mutually beneficial cooperation and deepening exchanges between the two sides, which will provide new opportunities for further strengthening their friendly exchanges and comprehensive cooperation.

She said the future work of the Consulate General will focus on three major areas, namely promoting exchanges and cooperation between Chinese cities, provinces and the Vietnamese ones that falls within the coverage of the consulate, acting as a bridge for better understanding and closer friendship between the two sides, and adopting a people-oriented diplomacy approach to safeguarding the legitimate rights and interests of the Chinese citizens and institutions.

Speaking at the ceremony, Nguyen Minh Vu, assistant to the Vietnamese Minister of Foreign Affairs, said the establishment of the Chinese Consulate General in Da Nang, an economic hub in Vietnam's central region, fully demonstrates that there are good opportunities for better cooperation between the central localities and China, and the Vietnamese Ministry of Foreign Affairs is willing to assist the work of the Chinese Consulate General in Da Nang.

http://www.china.org.cn/world/Off_the_Wire/2017-10/14/content_41729210.htm

 

[Viva_Viet]

Chinese Consulate General in Vietnam's Da Nang inaugurated
Xinhua, October 14, 2017

HANOI, Oct. 13 (Xinhua) -- The Chinese Consulate General in Vietnam's central Da Nang city was inaugurated on Friday.

The inauguration was witnessed by more than 400 representatives from various Chinese and Vietnamese institutions.

The new Chinese Consulate General, the second in Vietnam after that in Ho Chi Minh, covers consular works in the six central localities of Thua Thien-Hue, Da Nang, Quang Nam, Quang Ngai, Binh Dinh and Phu Yen.

Addressing the inaugural ceremony, Chinese Ambassador to Vietnam Hong Xiaoyong said the establishment of the Chinese Consulate General in Da Nang is a necessity for the in-depth development of the friendly and cooperative relations between the two countries and is the common aspiration of the two sides to further expand their cooperation sphere.

The Chinese ambassador hoped the Consulate General will, as always, support the development of the motherland, promote the development of friendly relations between China and Vietnam, contribute to the local socioeconomic development and act as a bridge for the friendship between the two peoples.

In an interview with Xinhua, Consul General of the Chinese Consulate General in Da Nang Xi Hui said the establishment of the Chinese Consulate General in the city conforms to the growing need for mutually beneficial cooperation and deepening exchanges between the two sides, which will provide new opportunities for further strengthening their friendly exchanges and comprehensive cooperation.

She said the future work of the Consulate General will focus on three major areas, namely promoting exchanges and cooperation between Chinese cities, provinces and the Vietnamese ones that falls within the coverage of the consulate, acting as a bridge for better understanding and closer friendship between the two sides, and adopting a people-oriented diplomacy approach to safeguarding the legitimate rights and interests of the Chinese citizens and institutions.

Speaking at the ceremony, Nguyen Minh Vu, assistant to the Vietnamese Minister of Foreign Affairs, said the establishment of the Chinese Consulate General in Da Nang, an economic hub in Vietnam's central region, fully demonstrates that there are good opportunities for better cooperation between the central localities and China, and the Vietnamese Ministry of Foreign Affairs is willing to assist the work of the Chinese Consulate General in Da Nang.

http://www.china.org.cn/world/Off_the_Wire/2017-10/14/content_41729210.htm

Good, CN start realize that supporting Vn is better than fighting against VN. Everytime u guys think abt doing bad thing to VN, u guys should ask yourselves why chairman Mao supported VN to defeat dirty capitalist nations (France, US)

 

[Viva_Viet]

No, VN will NOT try hard to clean corruption. Corrupted people can't clean up corruption. What they are doing now is using corruption charges to eliminate the political opposition. Same as Xi has been doing in China.



Exactly. That's the type of thinking that allows the corruption to continue and thrive.
Hey, don't do anything about the corruption, its not so bad, others have too. Never mind.



Yes, corruption in VN is a cancer. Every time they ask businesses what is their number 1 problem, its always the same: corruption, and is getting worse every year.

In what European country or in USA businesses say something like that?



Yes, things changed, corruption is getting worse every year, all the polls say that.



That oligarchy is called the government bureaucrats oligarchy. They are a class in itself and they are above everything and everybody.

In your eyes, even a Vnese like Ho Chi Minh could be a corrupted guy cos he got lots of 'gifts' from CN, Soviet to eliminate the political opposition and did some wrong things like land reforming. But in the end, "gift" from CN,Soviet helped VN to defeat France, US.

Same thing Mr.Trong is doing in VN now, u can keep lying that Corrupted man like him can't clean up corruption, but most of Vnese can see that corruption will be reduce in the future.