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What pissing contest?

The viets brought up how they annihilated 1 million mongols over 3 wars to show how badass they are. No source to back it up btw. Lol

I reminded them how 3million viets got annihilated by the us and its allies in just 1 war along with hundreds of thousands of more suffering from agent orange till this day. Plenty of sources if you want to dig further.
How about you read the wiki link which was posted here by a other Chinese clown? According to the article, the Mongol sets for the third and final assault on Vietnam everything on one card, with simultaneous attacks on land and at sea, with 500,000 men in infantry and in 500 warships.

End of the day not many of the Mongolian army returned home alive. Including the supreme commander Muslim Omar. He surrendered was captured alive. Too bad we don't have any record whether he was stripped naked and thrown to the South China Sea as delicious dish for hungry sharks. He could have told us how many Mongolian men and Chinese mercenaries paid their lives.

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Join Area Defense between the Army and the Mobile Police. Funny thing is that while the Army still use the venerable BTR-152, the Mobile Police has got their hands on a lot of good stuff. First is the Israeli RAM-200 then the Korean Shinjeong S-5 and the most recently is the IAG Guadrian armored carrier of UAE.

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Vietnam Kidnaps Corruption Suspect in Berlin
Domestic politics flared up into an international dispute between Vietnam and Germany.

By Anton Tsvetov
August 03, 2017

http://thediplomat.com/2017/08/vietnam-kidnaps-corruption-suspect-in-berlin/

A scene from a Cold War spy drama apparently played out in late June in Berlin.

Armed men, allegedly Vietnamese intelligence operatives, kidnapped a certain Trinh Xuan Thanh right in the well-known Tiergarten park in Germany’s capital city. Then, with the help of the Vietnamese Embassy, the man was transferred back to Vietnam, where he was put into the custody of the Ministry of Public Security. Official media later reported that Trinh Xuan Thanh surrendered himself to the police voluntarily.

The brazen operation is what the German foreign ministry publicized on August 2 as its version of what happened, while Vietnamese Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson Le Thi Thu Hang denied the story and claimed that all of this simply did not happen. Thanh himself appeared on Vietnamese state TV later on August 3, saying he turned himself in. Still, the official German statement uses very strong diplomatic language — it proclaims the the Vietnamese intelligence attaché persona non grata and promises serious repercussions to Vietnam-Germany relations if Thanh is not allowed to return back to Germany.

According to German statements and media reports, Thanh’s extradition was discussed on the sidelines of the G20 Summit in Hamburg in early July 2017. Hanoi has posted an international search order for Thanh, who is accused of causing damage of around $145 million to the construction branch of the state-owned oil giant PetroVietnam. However, Berlin was unlikely to heed the Vietnamese call not only because Thanh’s application for asylum was still being processed but also because Germany does not extradite anyone facing the death penalty back at home. That could well be on the table for Thanh.

The fact that the Vietnamese went as far as to conduct a coercive operation on German soil speaks volumes as to how important Trinh Xuan Thanh is for the political situation back at home. The corruption scandal with Thanh at the center started more than a year ago and was used by the Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV) leadership and personally by General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong to launch a massive anti-corruption campaign. Politically, it resulted in the removal of Dinh La Thang, Ho Chi Minh city Party chief, from the Politburo – an important win for Trong over the remnants of former Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung’s patronage networks.

Trong, who retained his post after the 12th CPV Congress in January 2016, is expected to leave mid-term, i.e. in 2018. Many seem to expect his choice for a successor to be Dinh The Huynh, an old-school ideologue, but as Zach Abuza discussed in The Diplomat, there seems to be some opposition to that, at least on behalf of President Tran Dai Quang. Interestingly enough, just last week Vietnamese social media was abuzz discussing Huynh’s alleged absence from important Party meetings due to health issues – rumors certain to have damaged the Trong-Huynh tandem in their bid for power.

Perhaps more damaging to the incumbent leadership in Hanoi was how the latest China-Vietnam clash in the South China Sea played out. Vietnam backed down under Chinese pressure and stopped drilling on Block 136-03, within China’s nine-dash-line. As Bill Hayton reported, one version of the decision-making process in Hanoi claims that the whole Politburo was ready to call China’s bluff, but Trong and Defense Minister Ngo Xuan Lich opted to back down.

Though we still don’t know the whole story, it does look like the Hanoi authorities were in dire need of a quick and big win. The Trinh Xuan Thanh affair had to be brought to an end since he shouldn’t have been able to leave Vietnam in the first place.

What is really surprising is that Vietnam was ready to take this blow to its relations with Germany. The air was electrified even before Thanh’s alleged kidnapping – in late July Germany, along with several other Western states, issued a statement condemning a sentence from a Vietnamese court to opposition blogger Tran Thi Nga. Criticism like this is rarely welcome in Vietnam and remains one of the key obstacles to Hanoi’s strategy of counterbalancing China and its ambitions in the South China Sea.

It seems that this week Vietnam chose domestic power consolidation over keeping up appearances with European partners.

Anton Tsvetov is an expert at the Center for Strategic Research, a Moscow-based think tank. He tweets on Southeast Asian affairs and Russian foreign policy at @antsvetov. The views expressed here are the author’s own and do not reflect those of CSR.
 
Japan, Vietnam protest against China's gasfield activity, cinema in disputed seas

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Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga said that it is "extremely regrettable" that China is continuing its development activity in the area.PHOTO: REUTERS
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TOKYO/HANOI (AFP, REUTERS) - Japan has lodged a protest with China over what it described as suspicious activity in a maritime area rich in gas deposits in the East China Sea, officials said Tuesday (Aug 1), while Vietnam condemned China’s construction and operation of a movie theatre on the Paracel islands in the disputed South China Sea.

China and Japan have a longstanding dispute over islands in the East China Sea controlled by Japan, which knows them as Senkaku, and claimed by China, which calls them Diaoyu.

Tokyo and Beijing agreed in June 2008 to cooperate over oil and gas resources in the area, but negotiations stopped two years later amid rising tensions and have not resumed.

"We confirmed that China is engaged in some kind of activity by stopping mobile drilling ships" near the median line separating the two countries' exclusive economic zones (EEZ) in the area, said Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga.

"It is extremely regrettable that China is unilaterally continuing its development activity," Suga, the government's top spokesman, told a press conference. Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida made similar comments.

Suga added that Japan lodged the protest late last month after noticing the activity but did not specify what exactly the Chinese ships were doing. Chinese drilling ships were last spotted near the median line in October 2016, Kyodo News and the Sankei Shimbun daily reported.

So far, China has built 16 drilling platforms on its side near the median line, the Asahi Shimbun reported.

Suga urged Beijing to resume stalled negotiations to jointly develop resources in the region, as discussed by Chinese President Xi Jinping and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe in September last year.

The gas field under the joint development agreement lies in an area where both countries' EEZs overlap.

Japan says the median line between the two nations should mark the limits of their respective EEZs, but China insists the border should be drawn closer to Japan, taking into account the continental shelf and other features of the ocean.

Meanwhile in Hanoi, Vietnam's foreign ministry slammed China's cinema on the Woody Island in the Paracels, which are also claimed by Taiwan and Vietnam, as infringing Vietnam's sovereignty.

“That action by China has infringed Vietnam’s sovereignty over Hoang Sa Archipelago, violated international law and cannot alter Vietnam’s sovereignty over this archipelago,” foreign ministry spokeswoman Le Thi Thu Hang said, using the Vietnamese name for the islands. “Vietnam opposes it and demands that China not repeat similar actions.”

Telephone calls to the Chinese embassy in Vietnam to seek comment went unanswered. Officials of China’s foreign ministry were not immediately available for comment.

Tension between the neighbours revived in mid-June when oil drilling began in Vietnam’s Block 136/3, which is licensed to Vietnam’s state oil firm, Spain’s Repsol and Mubadala Development Co of the United Arab Emirates. The block lies inside the U-shaped “nine-dash line” that marks the vast area China claims in the sea and overlaps what it says are its own oil concessions.

China has urged Vietnam to stop the drilling while Vietnam has said countries should respect its right to drill in its waters.

China claims most of the energy-rich South China Sea through which about US$5 trillion in ship-borne trade passes every year. Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam also have claims. China took full control of the Paracels in 1974 after a naval showdown with Vietnam.

Woody Island is the seat of what China calls Sansha city, its administrative centre for the South China Sea. Though China calls it a city, Sansha’s permanent population is no more than a few thousand, and many of the disputed islets and reefs in the sea are uninhabited.

The cinema on Sansha is equipped with the most advanced projection equipment, China’s state news agency Xinhua has said.


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Vietnam objects to China’s construction and opening of a cinema on Phu Lam island in Vietnam’s Hoang Sa (Paracel) archipelago violate Vietnam’s sovereignty over the archipelago, said Vietnamese Foreign Ministry’s Spokesperson.



The army needs more hardware. The current equipment is apparently not enough to deter aggression.

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End of the day not many of the Mongolian army returned home alive. Including the supreme commander Muslim Omar. He surrendered was captured alive. Too bad we don't have any record whether he was stripped naked and thrown to the South China Sea as delicious dish for hungry sharks. He could have told us how many Mongolian men and Chinese mercenaries paid their lives.

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There we go. Just making lies to suit the narrative. Not only are you a clown, a very retarded one too.
 
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What's new about that? Everybody already knew that is suspended for a number of days and there had been official declarations about that.
Oh really?

Only a few days ago, your closest friend on this forum still says there is no direct evidence that the drilling work has been stopped. And you are the only one that marks "LIKE" to this post. So I assume this is a new pieces of news that some frequent posters on this thread still don't know yet.
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Oh really?

Only a few days ago, your closest friend on this forum still says there is no direct evidence that the drilling work has been stopped. And you are the only one that marks "LIKE" to this post. So I assume this is a new pieces of news that some frequent posters on this thread still don't know yet.
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You keep repeating old news
 
Go see my post number 10849

You keep repeating old news
You call an analyst call one week ago as "old news"? Ok, if this is the criteria that you make, then you better follow it in your posts on this thread in the future.
 
There we go. Just making lies to suit the narrative. Not only are you a clown, a very retarded one too.
what lies?

at the moment I hold a book in the hand: "Vietnam Borderless Histories" by Tuyet Tran & Anthony Reid. the book includes a chapter "Constructing Viet against the Han World" by Yu Insun. the author mentions two most well-known historians of Vietnamese history: Le van Huu and Ngo Si Lien. the first author Le compiled the book "Dai Viet su ky" in year 1272 (History of Dai Viet), while Ngo "Dai Viet su ky toan thu" (the comprehensive history of Dai Viet) in year 1479. ok I am too lazy, haven´t read the original version (Chinese) nor the translated version (Vietnamese) yet.


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From What I read about Vietnam under the Mongol, No evidence to prove the Mongol soldier number exceed 1 million. The number I think is 200k to 500k in all 3 wars. And the number 1 million only published by Vietnamese historian and I think It is the fake number like the Chinese number in the battle between Vietnamese and Qing regime. In the battle from Vietnamese source, You can search It is 290000 Chinese soldier, but the real number is 70.000- 150.000. No doubt, the number Mongol soldier is too big and giant but the number 1million,uhm I don't believe and any historian doesn't believe on that. In Vietnam, until the day people always compare the "Crowd" with the Mongol soldiers. You know Chinese and Vietnamese usually love number 9th or 10th, so don't be surprised. The reason, It is simple like in Vietnamese - Sino War, Chinese publication would decrease their number casualties and increased Vietnamese casualties. Vietnamese too. Noone knows the exact number. So the debate never ends
 
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Why Vietnam Must Fight the Islamic State Terror Threat
The threat presents both challenges and opportunities that Hanoi cannot ignore.

By Zachary Abuza
August 03, 2017

http://thediplomat.com/2017/08/why-...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

On 5 July, the Abu Sayyaf Group beheaded 2 Vietnamese seamen. Days later, another Vietnamese hostage was killed in a skirmish.

This is certainly a shock for Vietnam, but it is not unexpected. Though the kidnapping and beheading of Western hostages in front of the black flag of the Islamic State tends to garner international media attention, regional mariners have been the Abu Sayyaf’s main target since early 2016. This has important implications for Vietnam and it could also be an important opening should they decide to play a greater role in regional security.

To date, the Abu Sayyaf have executed three Vietnamese sailors and killed one more during shipboarding. They boarded two Vietnamese vessels, the first on 11 November 2016 and the second on 20 February 2017. 12 Vietnamese nationals have been taken hostage. One escaped his captors. 10 additional Vietnamese sailors were not taken hostage, but very well could have been had the Abu Sayyaf had more or larger speed boats.

The Vietnamese are not alone. Since March of 2016, the Abu Sayyaf have shifted the majority of their kidnap for ransom operations to the high seas. Between March 2016 and July 2017, the Abu Sayyaf boarded 17 ships and taken some 65 hostages from six countries, including Vietnam. In all 30 have been released, usually after a ransom was paid, seven escaped their captors, three were rescued by Philippine security forces, and four were executed. Two others were killed during the attacks, while eight seamen escaped during the shipjackings. An additional 40 seamen were not taken hostage.

The Abu Sayyaf have shifted their hostage taking to sailors and fishermen for several reasons. First, trawlers and tug-boats pulling coal barges through the waters between Malaysia, Indonesia, and the Philippines, are slow moving and easy to board. But even still, the ASG, on their fast patrol craft, have now boarded three larger ocean going vessels, including two Vietnamese-flagged ships, and unsuccessfully attempted to board two Japanese-flaggedvessels.

Second, the shipping and large fishing concerns have tended to pay the ransoms. Governments of course deny this, saying that they do not “negotiate with terrorists”, for fear that this would only incentivize hostage taking. But families, corporations, insurance companies, do not have to think about those implications. Their responsibility is to save loved ones or personnel.

Third, the waters that the Abu Sayyaf hunt in are large and contested. While Indonesia and the Philippines recently demarcated their maritime boundary, there is no agreed upon maritime boundary between the Philippines and Malaysia (owing to the dispute over Sabah), and between Malaysia and Indonesia.

Fourth, the maritime policing capabilities of Indonesia and the Philippines are weak; though stronger in Malaysia. In early July, the three states began coordinated maritime patrols. That was followed by a Malaysian Minister of Defense announcement that coordinated aerial surveillance patrols would soon be underway. With the siege of Marawi City by pro-Islamic State militants, including foreign fighters, now in its third month, controlling the maritime domain is all the more important.

What does this mean for Vietnam? The Philippine government is beset by a number of complex and interconnected insurgencies that it is not going to defeat militarily. It has neither the resources nor the will to resolve the situation in Mindanao. As such, the kidnappings will continue. The number of Vietnamese-flagged ocean-going vessels is growing rapidly. So is the number of nationals serving as seamen on foreign flagged ships. While Vietnam focuses its attention on trade with major partners, such as the United States, the European Union, and Japan, it cannot afford to neglect intra-ASEAN trade. Together, these mean that Vietnamese sailors will increasingly be at risk.

So what should the Vietnamese government do? Immediately after such killings, there is pressure on the government to pay the ransom to secure the release of the remaining eight sailors. The government has banned Vietnamese state media from covering the issue, an indication of the sensitivity of the issue, and citing ongoing negotiations. The government should resist the temptation to pay the ransom, though I would understand if the families or shipping companies did. Hanoi’s diplomats should work with the Philippine government and security forces to secure their release.

But the attack has also created an opportunity should Vietnam want to play a greater role in regional security.

Vietnam has made impressive investments in its Navy and Coast Guard. The country has plenty of water to defend and outstanding territorial disputes in the Spratly and Parcel Islands. Defending its maritime claims is their primary responsibility.

But the Vietnamese Navy and Coast Guard should now consider sending a vessel on a routine basis to help its Philippine, Malaysian, and Indonesian partners patrol the waters in the Sulu Sea. Singapore has already shown an interest in assisting. This would help in developing interoperability, confidence, and experience in working besides their counterparts. Whereas maritime cooperation is harder in the South China Sea, where territorial disputes with Malaysia and the Philippines remain, sovereignty is not at stake with counter-piracy and counter-terrorism operations. And such an operation is unlikely to incur China’s wrath.

Yes, there is a cost to this. Vietnam has limited resources. But whether it admits it or not, Vietnam has an interest in Philippine security. And even the small multilateral presence seems to have had an effect: ship-boardings are down.

More importantly, if Vietnam wants to help build up a rules-based order and contribute to maritime and regional security, this is a great and low cost way to do it. Helping to secure sea lanes of communication is important to Vietnam’s economic prosperity. A more robust maritime presence in the Sulu Sea has helped slow the number of attacks. Gaining multilateral experience will improve the professionalism of its Navy and Coast Guard. And it will sow the seeds of future multilateral maritime security cooperation that Vietnamese security ultimately depends on.

Zachary Abuza, PhD, is a Professor at the National War College. The views expressed here are his own, and not the views of the Department of Defense or National War College.
 
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