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[xiao qi]

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I don't know what the Qianlong Emperor said, so if you have some proof he was lying you should post it.

Pls read the part of the Myanmar and Qing war. "The Qing forces maintained a heavy military presence in the border areas of Yunnan for about a decade in an attempt to wage another war while imposing a ban on inter-border trade for two decades. The Burmese were also preoccupied with another impending invasion by the Qing Empire, and kept a series of garrisons along the border. After twenty years, Burma and the Qing Empire resumed a diplomatic relationship in 1790. To the Burmese, the resumption was on equal terms. However, the Qianlong Emperor unilaterally interpreted the act as Burmese submission, and claimed victory"

 

[Viet]

@xiao qi

If possible, can you post parts concerning Dai Viet in Mingshi and Yuanshi?

 

[terranMarine]

Pls read the part of the Myanmar and Qing war. "The Qing forces maintained a heavy military presence in the border areas of Yunnan for about a decade in an attempt to wage another war while imposing a ban on inter-border trade for two decades. The Burmese were also preoccupied with another impending invasion by the Qing Empire, and kept a series of garrisons along the border. After twenty years, Burma and the Qing Empire resumed a diplomatic relationship in 1790. To the Burmese, the resumption was on equal terms. However, the Qianlong Emperor unilaterally interpreted the act as Burmese submission, and claimed victory"[5]

https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...qing-dynasty/63CA69CE98806A12469BA642B1306CF7

After checking the source, victory was added on wikipage not from the source.

 

[Carlosa]

AUGUST 2, 2017 / 11:21 PM
Repsol says drilling suspended on Vietnam oil block disputed by China

Jose Elías Rodríguez

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-vietnam-idUSKBN1AI27D

MADRID (Reuters) - Spain's Repsol said it had suspended oil drilling in a block off Vietnam, where the prospecting in South China Sea waters claimed by China had infuriated Beijing and brought Chinese pressure on Vietnam to stop.

Tension has been growing between Vietnam and China over energy development in the waterway, where extensive Chinese claims are challenged by five Southeast Asian countries and disputed by the United States.

Repsol's chief financial officer, Miguel Martinez, said work had been suspended off Vietnam, according to the transcript of a conference call with analysts last week.

"We are working with the PetroVietnam and with the Vietnamese authorities and the only comment is that right now, operations have been suspended," he said.

"We will have to see what the output is, but as mentioned $27 million is what we have spent till now in this well."

A Repsol official confirmed the suspension on Wednesday, but declined to give further details.

Drilling began in mid-June in Vietnam's Block 136/3, which is licensed to Vietnam's state oil firm, Spain's Repsol and Mubadala Development Co [MUDEV.UL] of the United Arab Emirates.

The block lies inside the U-shaped "nine-dash line" that marks the vast area that China claims in the sea and overlaps what it says are its own oil concessions.

China had urged a halt to the exploration work and a diplomatic source with direct knowledge of the situation said that the decision to suspend drilling was taken after a Vietnamese delegation visited Beijing.

"Vietnam decided it didn't want to pick a fight with China over this," the source said.

Foreign Policy magazine said this week that China had threatened military action against Vietnam if it did not stop the drilling. It said that a decision to stop was made following acrimonious meetings of a divided politburo.

Vietnam has not confirmed the suspension of drilling but last week defended its right to explore in the area.

"Vietnam's petroleum-related activities take place in the sea entirely under the sovereignty and jurisdiction of Vietnam established in accordance with international law," Vietnamese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Le Thi Thu Hang said.

"Vietnam proposes all concerned parties to respect the legitimate rights and interests of Vietnam." China claims most of the energy-rich South China Sea through which about $5 trillion in ship-borne trade passes every year. Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam also have claims.

David Shear, a former U.S. ambassador to Vietnam and a former assistant secretary of defense for Asia and Pacific under President Barack Obama, said that he believed that as a result of the spat Vietnam had lost two oil drilling sites.

He blamed it in part on "inattention" by President Donald Trump's administration in the region.

"This is a setback for the rules-based order and for our interests," he said.

Thomson Reuters data showed the drilling ship Deepsea Metro I was in the same position on Sunday as it had been since drilling began on the block in the middle of June.

Greg Poling, director of the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative at the Center for Strategic and International Studies said the suspension of drilling did not mean the contract had been canceled.

"Hanoi could greenlight Repsol drilling another well nearby, but it's certainly an expensive delay," he said.

Additional reporting by Ben Blanchard in Beijing and David Brunnstrom in Washington; Writing by Matthew Tostevin, editing by David Evans

 

[SEAISI]

Much less than the Japanese chopped off chinese men, raped chinese women, not to mention the numbers of casualties you killed yourselves during the glorious revolutions. But hey I give the PLA credit for burning our northern provinces to the ground and killed the last animal when withdrawing.

You staged aggression against Vietnam for nothing.

I guess the ultimate humiliation would be the thousand year domination of vietnam by China. Try to beat that record.

Btw, have you settled the score with US yet? After all they did kill 3million of you.

Again not trying to brag here. Just pointing out a fact

 

[SEAISI]

Sucks, this is fast becoming a China vs Vietnam pissing contest.
.

What pissing contest?

The viets brought up how they annihilated 1 million mongols over 3 wars to show how badass they are. No source to back it up btw. Lol

I reminded them how 3million viets got annihilated by the us and its allies in just 1 war along with hundreds of thousands of more suffering from agent orange till this day. Plenty of sources if you want to dig further.

 

[sinait]

What pissing contest?

The viets brought up how they annihilated 1 million mongols over 3 wars to show how badass they are. No source to back it up btw. Lol

I reminded them how 3million viets got annihilated by the us and its allies in just 1 war along with hundreds of thousands of more suffering from agent orange till this day. Plenty of sources if you want to dig further.

I agree with your observations, but this is their thread after all.
I say leave them alone unless they say it in some other thread.
Viet may be sarcastic at times but generally a nice guy, not like those Indians.
xiao qi even more so.

We can butt them in threads like "If Vietnam can beat China ..." or other threads.
I see no need to antagonize each other further in Vietnamese Defence Forum.
I rather you save your powder for those pesky Indians.

China and Vietnam are both friends of Singapore.
Very sad this animosity between China and Vietnam.
Chinese members also disparaged Singapore at times, but I would let it pass, not wanting to argue over minor issues that the anti China block will watch with glee.
Anyway just a friendly suggestion.
Hope I offend nobody.
.

 

[Carlosa]

@The Eagle Can the moderators once and for all do their job and stop these chinese trolls from disrupting the thread?

 

[GS Zhou]

What happens to the oil drilling, I don't understand so much about the incident. This is Spanish company?

This is a Norway company, who got a drilling contract in South East Asia in May this year. But this company just announced that it has to retreat its drilling ship in the region, because of "Force Majeure". And the latest location of the company's drilling ship confirms that this ship has started the journey leaving South East Asia.

 

[Carlosa]

By calling the bully’s bluff in #Doklam, India has set an example for other Asian states to emulate. As usual, China barks and threatens and then backs down (as it is doing now) when confronted.

By refusing to buckle under China’s threats on Doklam, India has called the bully’s bluff
August 3, 2017, 2:00 AM IST Brahma Chellaney in TOI Edit Page | Edit Page, India, World | TOI

Standing on the Himalayan crest with well-developed infrastructure, China is in a militarily advantageous position along much of the border with India. The tri-border overlooking the Chinese-held Chumbi valley is one of the few areas where India still holds a distinct advantage, with Chinese forces within Indian observation cum artillery range. If China were to capture Bhutan’s high-altitude Doklam plateau, it would not only mitigate that vulnerability but also hold a knife to India’s jugular vein – the Siliguri Corridor, through which Bhutan’s communications and transportation arteries also pass.

While existential stakes drove India to halt China’s construction of a strategic highway through Doklam, Beijing made a serious strategic miscalculation by intruding there: It anticipated Bhutan’s diplomatic protest but not India’s swift, stealthy military intervention. The Indian army had long geared up to respond to such a contingency.

No Indian government can countenance the construction of a road through Doklam that allows China to bring main battle tanks to the tri-border and implement, in the event of a war, its military plan to decapitate India. In such a corridor-bisecting scenario, while China gobbles up Arunachal Pradesh, the other northeast Indian states, as a Chinese state mouthpiece warned recently, could become “independent”.

Today, thanks to its miscalculation, China finds itself in an unenviable position: It must extricate itself from a militarily wretched situation in Doklam, where its intruding soldiers are caught in a pincer movement. If China were to initiate hostilities at the tri-border, it will likely be left, as in 1967, with a bloodied nose, given the Indian army’s terrain and tactical advantages.

Politically Beijing has boxed itself in a corner, with its intense psychological warfare (“psywar”) and disinformation operations failing to yield continuing gains, after the success in initially dominating the narrative. If anything, its psychological operations (“psy-ops”) and manipulation of legal arguments (“lawfare”), as by selectively quoting an 1890 colonial-era accord, offer India important lessons. It is standard Chinese strategy to play the victim in any conflict or dispute, as China brazenly did even in 1962.

Mounting frustration has sharpened Beijing’s war rhetoric. To compound matters, the standoff is imposing reputational costs on a power that supposedly brooks no challenge and is ever willing to wreak punishment. India, in the face of vitriolic warmongering, has defiantly stood up to China and refused to budge. By calling the bully’s bluff, India has set an example for other Asian states to emulate.

Beijing’s story that Indian troops “trespassed” into Chinese territory was designed to disguise its intrusion into tiny Bhutan. But this tale, along with President Xi Jinping’s vow not to permit the loss of “any piece” of Chinese land, deepens China’s discomfiture by undermining the image it has sought to project at home and abroad – Asia’s pre-eminent power that no neighbour will mess with.

In sum China, if it is to save face, needs India’s help to extricate itself from a mess of its own making. Beijing’s coarse statements and threats, while integral to its psywar, are also part of a negotiating ploy to secure a compromise on largely its terms.

There is no reason, however, why India should let China off the hook easily. With Xi looking ahead to this autumn’s Communist Party congress to cement his status as China’s most powerful leader since Mao Zedong, India should play psychological hardball because Chinese incursions have become increasingly recurrent.

India should allow the Doklam military stalemate to drag on until the arrival of the harsh winter forces the rival troops to retreat, thus restoring the status quo ante, including frustrating China’s road-building plan. If an earlier negotiated mutual retreat from Doklam becomes possible, it should be based on an unequivocal assurance that China henceforth will refrain from unilaterally disturbing the territorial status quo anywhere in the Himalayan borderlands.

Implicitly, if not explicitly, China must come out a significant loser in order to help rein in its creeping, covert encroachments. There should be no more Depsangs, Chumars and Doklams or the quiet chipping away at Indian and Bhutanese lands.

This is a Norway company, who got a drilling contract in South East Asia in May this year. But this company just announced that it has to retreat its drilling ship in the region, because of "Force Majeure". And the latest location of the company's drilling ship confirms that this ship has started the journey leaving South East Asia.

Repsol is an Spanish company.

 

[GS Zhou]

Repsol is an Spanish company.

Repsol gives the drilling contract to Odfjell Drilling, who is a Norway company.

 

[Carlosa]

Repsol gives the drilling contract to Odfjell Drilling, who is a Norway company.

That doesn't matter, they are just a subcontractor, they make no decisions on anything. Repsol makes all the decisions, they are the owners of the concession. Repsol and the Vietnamese government are the decision makers in this case.

 

[GS Zhou]

That doesn't matter, they are just a subcontractor, they make no decisions on anything. Repsol makes all the decisions, they are the owners of the concession. Repsol and the Vietnamese government are the decision makers in this case.

No worries. I'm just sharing a piece of news which I feel very interesting.

 

[Carlosa]

In Vietnam, it's harder for college hopefuls to become a military officer than a doctor
http://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/in-vietnam-it-s-harder-for-college-hopefuls-to-become-a-military-officer-than-a-doctor-3621917.html

Vietnamese female commissioned officers march during a parade marking the country's National Day in Hanoi. Photo by Reuters/Kham

The results are in from this year's university entrance exams, and nearly 150 institutions across Vietnam have set their benchmark scores for admission, with some surprising results.

Forget medical, economics or engineering schools, it is the armed forces that are demanding the highest grades.

Vietnamese 12th graders took the national exam in June with separate tests in math, literature, English and sciences. Their total scores in three of these subjects are used to determine what school, if any, they will be accepted by.

Most schools are demanding higher scores than they did last year, which education experts blame on easier tests. Though military, medical or economics hopefuls took different batches of subjects, at least technically speaking, police and military schools are proving harder to get into.

Officials from the education ministry said that many majors at these schools are asking for a minimum total score of 29 out of 30.

The People’s Security Academy in Hanoi, which trains forces such as police officers, security agents and inspectors, is asking for up to 30.5 points (students from remote areas or who come from revolutionary families can receive up to 3.5 bonus points.)

The University of Fire Fighting and Prevention in the southern province of Dong Nai is also asking for a total score of up to 30.25.

Students vying for the Military Technical Academy and the Vietnam Military Medical University, both in Hanoi, need a score of up to 30 to secure a place.

Medical schools, usually the hardest to get into, are asking for a score of up to 29.25 this year, while economics and science institutions have set their levels between 27 and 28.5.

So why is it so appealing to get into police and military schools?

First of all, they do not charge tuition fees, and they provide meals and accommodation. This certainly makes them more attractive compared to other public schools, where a four-year course costs thousands of dollars. (The average annual income in Vietnam was $2,200 last year.)

But teacher training schools and philosophy courses are also free.

Then there’s the second reason, and possibly the more important one: Police and military students are guaranteed a job when they graduate.

All graduates will be assigned jobs at units under the Ministry of National Defense and the Ministry of Public Security when they finish their majors, receiving salaries and bonuses that add up to an average of VND5.4 million ($237.5) a month, according to a report released by the labor ministry in June.

Labor ministry figures for the first quarter of this year showed that 138,800 people with at least a university degree in Vietnam did not have a job, accounting for nearly 13 percent of the country's unemployment rate.

So while there are safety risks that come with their future jobs, students at police and military schools can study hard safe in the knowledge that they will be debt free.

Now for the dark side.

The perks of being a police or military student have led to illegal services popping up that offer places for low-scoring students - for a fee.

The providers claim to have contacts in these schools and charge desperate families tens of thousands of dollars.

In late March, a man from the southern province of Dong Thap was arrested on fraud charges after a family accused him of failing to fulfill his promise of getting their son into a police school despite paying him VND870 million ($38,300).

Another man from the central city of Da Nang was arrested in February for conning another family out of VND440 million.

In January, the Ministry of Public Security also busted an organization that had been cheating families across 26 cities and provinces, including Hanoi and Saigon, from 2014.

There are no official figures on how many students get into these schools through the back door.

 

[Carlosa]

Rosneft plans to drill three more wells in Vietnam in 2018
http://tass.com/economy/958683

MOSCOW, August 2. /TASS/. Rosneft's subsidiary Rosneft Vietnam plans to drill another 3 wells as part of development of Vietnam offshore projects in 2018, the oil company said.

"Two production wells will be drilled at Block 06.1 aiming at development of prospective areas of Phong Lan Dai and Lan Do fields. One exploration well will also be drilled at the adjacent Block 05-3/11 also located in Nam Kon Son basin," Rosneft said.

According to the company, combining two wells into one drilling program will cut back the duration of drilling works and allow maximizing the efficiency of exploration projects in Rosneft's Vietnamese assets.

Rosneft and PetroVietnam cooperate in Vietnamese offshore gas and condensate production and exploration project (Block 06.1) which is operated by Rosneft Vietnam B.V. (Rosneft's subsidiary). The project implementation is based on Project Sharing Contract (PSC). The PSA area comprises two gas condensate fields - Lantai and Lan Do. The fields are located at the distance of 370 km from the shore in Nam Kon Son basin, water depth in the field area is up to 190 m. Initial gas reserves of the fields amount to ca. 66 bcm.

On March 9, 2016, Rosneft Vietnam B.V. started drilling exploration well PLDD-1X in Vietnamese offshore Block 06.1. For the first time Rosneft acted as an international offshore drilling project operator, a role that confirms the Company's level of competences in complex technical programs of offshore drilling.

Rosneft and PetroVietnam also have a stake in the Nam Con Son pipeline, which transports gas and condensate from the Nam Con Son offshore basin blocks to an onshore power generation facility.