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Donald Trump removes Steve Bannon from NSC before her proposed legislation becomes law forcing him to do so.


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Stephanie Murphy calls Steve Bannon ouster from NSC “Huge Victory for Democracy”

APRIL 5, 2017 BY FRANK TORRES

Congresswoman Stephanie Murphy is praising a White House Decision to remove Donald Trump Chief Advisor Steve Bannon from the National Security Council. Murphy filed legislation to remove Bannon from the NSC citing an unprecedented conflict between political campaigning and national security.

“Today’s decision to remove Steve Bannon from the National Security Council is a huge victory for democracy and a strong step toward depoliticizing our national security,” said Murphy. “This is proof that democracy works and that the American people, when they make their voices heard, can affect change.”

The White House quietly removed Bannon from the NSC to put a more traditional framework in place that will grant National Security Advisor H.R McMaster more control over how the council will operate.

Murphy, a former Government National Security Specialist says she’ll continue to push her existing legislation to keep political advisors off of the board in the future.

“My bill is about fidelity to a deeply American principle—the principle that the service members in our all-volunteer military, the quiet professionals in our intelligence community, and the men and women who protect our homeland should never have their lives disrupted or placed at risk because of a national security policymaking process that is contaminated by partisan politics.” said Murphy in conclusion.


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A symbol of Russia militarily power: typhoon class nuclear submarine. This week Russia deploys one of the typhoon's on patrol, with nuclear weapons onboard that can entirely destroy a continent. Also this week, a crimea government delegation is on a visit to Vietnam. Good to know: Vladimir Putin warns, Russia will defend the Crimea with all means. The man means serious.


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China Tolerating Vietnam’s South China Sea Activities, For Now

Publication: China Brief Volume: 17 Issue: 3
By: Derek Grossman
The Jamestown Foundation




China’s expanding military presence in the South China Sea has prompted Vietnam to enhance its ability to protect its own holdings in the region. In late November, for example, commercially available imagery revealed that Vietnam was dredging a new channel at Ladd Reef on the southwestern edge of the Spratly Islands, perhaps as a precursor to land reclamation or to improve access to other features (ChinaTimes, December 9, 2016). In the same month, Hanoi extended its sole runway and added new hangars on Spratly Island. Vietnam also reportedly fortified several of its holdings with what appear to be Israeli-built Extended Range Artillery (EXTRA) precision-guided rocket artillery launchers over the summer (Global Times, August 11, 2016).

Curiously, Chinese leaders have not punished Vietnam for any of these activities or even so much as complained about them. Instead, Beijing continues to maintain cordial and cooperative bilateral ties, with Chinese President Xi Jinping on January 12 hosting Vietnamese Secretary-General Nguyen Phu Trong in Beijing for bilateral talks. China has probably tolerated Vietnam’s South China Sea activities because it feels increasingly confident in its improving military position throughout the region.


Indirect Condemnations

Chinese leaders have issued only indirect condemnations of recent Vietnamese activities in the South China Sea. For example, Beijing’s foreign ministry officially responded to the reported deployment of EXTRA by stating that “China has indisputable sovereignty over the Nansha Islands [the Chinese name for the Spratly Islands] and their surrounding waters.” The ministry further noted that “China has always firmly opposed the illegal occupation of parts of China’s Nansha Islands and reefs by certain countries and their illegal construction and military deployments on these islands and reefs” (China Daily, August 11, 2016). It is noteworthy that Beijing issued such measured and generic statements given the provocative nature of the PRC media report. Indeed, even the often-strident state-run media outlet Global Times gave Vietnam the benefit of the doubt, stating that it hoped the report was “only speculation from Western media” and the two sides should practice restraint to avoid a crisis (Global Times, August 11, 2016).

China’s reaction to other Vietnamese actions has been similarly circumspect. The foreign ministry, for instance, responded to reports that Vietnam had expanded its runway by urging the “relevant country”—Vietnam was not specifically named—to “truly respect China’s sovereignty and legitimate rights and interests” and to “immediately stop its illegal occupation and construction and withdraw their personnel and facilities” (FMPRC, November 18, 2016). Beijing’s defense ministry also declined to identify Vietnam regarding the runway issue (China Military Online, November 30th, 2016). Both ministries instead left it up to Xinhua to later identify Vietnam as the country in question (Xinhua, November 18th, 2016). Separately, Hanoi’s dredging activities at Ladd Reef prompted the foreign ministry to make similarly indirect statements (FMPRC, December 15, 2016; FMPRC, December 9, 2016).


Bilateral Relations Remain Positive

Despite their mutual suspicion, Chinese and Vietnamese leaders have remained remarkably cordial and cooperative in multiple dimensions of the bilateral relationship. In late December, for example, Vietnam hosted a two-day conference on enhancing economic cooperation with China (Xinhua, December 28, 2016). On defense, both sides routinely hail their cooperation. In February 2009, Vietnam and China finalized the demarcation of their border. Since then, Hanoi and Beijing have engaged in a series of confidence-building measures that have included defense minister discussions and joint exercises along the border, the most recent of which was a “joint anti-terror” border exercise in July 2016 (VietnamNet Bridge, November 2, 2016; The Diplomat, July 30, 2016; Xinhua, August 30, 2016).

Even in the most contentious of domains, the maritime domain, China and Vietnam tend to look past their differences. In mid-January, after meeting with counterparts in Beijing, Vietnamese Secretary-General Nguyen issued a joint “communiqué” stating that the two sides planned to “manage well their maritime difference, avoid actions that complicate the situation and escalate tensions, and safeguard the peace and stability of the South China Sea.”

To be sure, maritime differences are assiduously avoided in favor of cooperation. In November, for instance, the Chinese and Vietnamese coast guards took part in a joint patrol to monitor fishing areas of the Gulf of Tonkin (People’s Army Newspaper [Vietnam], November 9, 2016). Moreover, in a symbolic step, the Chinese navy in October made a first-ever port call to the international port within Vietnam’s Cam Ranh Bay (The Diplomat, October 23, 2016). Indeed, Xi Jinping in November called for China and Vietnam to work together to maintain stability in the South China Sea—well after reports that Hanoi had deployed EXTRA on disputed features (Xinhua, November 20, 2016).


Confidence Born of Military Superiority

Beijing probably keeps bilateral relations cordial and productive in spite of Vietnamese actions because it maintains overwhelming military superiority in the region. China’s “Southern Theater Command” fields diverse capabilities at multiple locations to keep the balance of power well in Beijing’s favor. These include guided missile destroyers, nuclear-missile equipped submarine forces, long-range supply vessels, coast guard and other maritime enforcement ships, marine forces with dedicated amphibious capabilities, multiple launch brigades for land-based missiles, and air assets ranging from bombers to multi-role fighter aircraft (China Brief, July 22, 2016).

Beijing’s considerable arsenal has enhanced its confidence to the point that China has decided only to quietly bolster its military defenses on disputed features. In November, for example, the Center for Strategic and International Studies’ Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative assessed that China over the summer had deployed close-in weapon systems (CIWS) and anti-aircraft artillery on all of its holdings in the Spratly Islands. According to expert analysis, CIWS could be effective against sea-skimming cruise missiles, while anti-aircraft artillery could provide point defense for airfields and radar installations (AMTI, December 14, 2016).

Vietnam has been actively acquiring cruise missiles that can be launched from a range of surface ships, such as Gepard-class frigates or Molniya-class corvettes, and from one of its six acquired Kilo-class submarines. In addition, Vietnam’s air force continues to modernize its fixed-wing aircraft, which now features 36 Sukhoi Su-30s, in the hopes of providing Hanoi with maritime strike capabilities throughout the region.

China has deployed more high-profile defenses on Woody Island, the main island in the disputed Paracel Island chain within closer proximity to Vietnam. Beijing in mid-February 2016 deployed two batteries of eight Hongqi-9 (HQ-9) surface-to-air missile (SAM) launchers to Woody Island that enabled highly capable targeting of aircraft and missiles out to 120 nautical miles (Guancha, February 17, 2016). The deployment of this system—derived from the Russian-built S-300—is a permanent fixture and not tied to exercises like the previous two deployments (China Brief, March 28, 2016). Beijing may also seek to use recently constructed facilities throughout the Spratlys to house additional SAMs, though this remains unclear for the moment.

Separately, in October, Beijing opened its first desalination plant in the South China Sea on Woody Island, providing an important source of fresh water to grow and sustain the present population there of approximately 1,500 residents—most of whom are Chinese military personnel. In late December, Beijing initiated regular charter flights between Woody Island and Hainan to “improve the work and living conditions of the city’s public servants and stationed soldiers” (Xinhua, December 22, 2016). With the desalination plant in place, Beijing will also have more fresh water available to help reduce the negative effects of operating weaponry in a high salt environment (The Diplomat, October 4, 2016).

China might eventually decide to permanently station its fighter aircraft like the J-11B—which rotated through the island in 2015— on Woody Island, though sufficient fuel storage and hangar space would still be required (Defense News, November 8, 2015).


Limits to Chinese Tolerance?

Judging from China’s response thus far, it is fair to say that Beijing has chosen to tolerate recent Vietnamese construction activities in the South China Sea. However, China has a range of options to express its displeasure with Hanoi, such as emplacing a new structure in disputed waters, conducting military exercises, or stepping up sovereignty patrols in the region.

Any of these responses is possible, especially as tensions predictably rise in the South China Sea during the spring. In May 2014, for example, Beijing decided to emplace the Haiyang Shiyou oil rig in disputed waters, resulting in a months-long standoff between Chinese and Vietnamese coast guards until Beijing finally decided to remove the rig. It is unclear what motivated China to move the rig into the area in the first place, but the tactic was clearly designed to put pressure on Vietnam’s sovereignty claims.

Chinese leaders might change their calculus if they believe Vietnam is trying to enlist the support of the U.S. or other partners to settle bilateral disputes. Hanoi’s burgeoning security relationships with Japan, India, and the U.S. will be particularly sensitive to China. Beijing might also decide to more assertively and overtly challenge Vietnam if it assesses that Hanoi has acquired capabilities that can more effectively challenge China’s military assets in the region. For example, for years Vietnam has been trying to procure from India the Brahmos sea-skimming supersonic anti-ship cruise missile, which could significantly endanger Chinese surface combatants. Recent reports also indicate that New Delhi might sell Hanoi the medium-range Akash SAM that might threaten China’s fighter aircraft operations if acquired (Asia Times, January 11).

Finally, seasonal frictions over access to fishing and natural resources in the South China Sea could prompt increasingly aggressive Chinese tactics against Vietnamese vessels that might trigger an overtly military response. This week Vietnam slammed the imposition of a Chinese fishing ban from May to August in waters near the Paracel Islands—a tactic Beijing has employed annually since 1999. In this regard, the next few months should be instructive as to the future trajectory of the relationship.


Derek Grossman is a senior defense analyst at the nonprofit, nonpartisan RAND Corporation. He formerly served at the Defense Intelligence Agency as the daily intelligence briefer to the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Asian and Pacific Security Affairs at the Pentagon. The views expressed in this article are those of the author and do not reflect the official policy or position of the Defense Intelligence Agency, Department of Defense, or the U.S. government.
 
Your problem is that you have a "reality distortion field", you believe what you want to believe and ignore what you don't want to believe. When it comes to military technology, South Korea is a dummy compared to Israel.

The same can be said about you, or virtually everyone on this forum. I never said military tech of South Korea is better than Israel. I am talking about technology in general.

Too much have been talked about Israel "high-tech", but most of world people have never seen anything high-tech from Israel. Is it not correct?

You say that Israel is high-tech just because Western media say so. is it not correct?.

Sure Israel is capable in some nich technologies. I do not say it is at same level like Iran or India. Much higher than that, but not at level of Korea.

Top 20 PCT patents 2015, 6 from Japan, 4 from China, 4 from US, 2 from Korea, 2 from Germany. None from Israel. (Huawei No.1; Qualcomm No.2; ZTE No.3; Samsung No.4 and LG No.7)
PCT international 2015 (by origin): Korea 14,564; Israel: 1,685. For comparison, the US: 57,000; Japan: 43,000; China: 29,000; Germany: 18,000 (Germany alone is half of all European countries combined).

Last year, on a Viettel magazine, there was a story about how Viettel was going to buy a warning system from Israel. At first, they asked for $100M. Too expensive, then Viettel decided to do R&D by themselves. Then they asked for $50M, and when they came to Vietttel office, seeing what Viettel could do, they asked for $20M. But at that time, it was too late for them, as Viettel had mastered the tech and decided NOT to buy.

The merit of the story that if Israel can do, Vietnam can.
 
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@AViet Last year, on a Viettel magazine, there was a story about how Viettel was going to buy a warning system from Israel. At first, they asked for $100M. Too expensive, then Viettel decided to do R&D by themselves. Then they asked for $50M, and when they came to Vietttel office, seeing what Viettel could do, they asked for $20M. But at that time, it was too late for them, as Viettel had mastered the tech and decided NOT to buy.

Can you give the link of the story like you said?
 
Can you give the link of the story like you said?

He is actually mixing up stories, its not a warning system as he said, but portable communication equipment, I used to read that story years ago.

The same can be said about you, or virtually everyone on this forum. I never said military tech of South Korea is better than Israel. I am talking about technology in general.

Too much have been talked about Israel "high-tech", but most of world people have never seen anything high-tech from Israel. Is it not correct?

You say that Israel is high-tech just because Western media say so. is it not correct?.

Sure Israel is capable in some nich technologies. I do not say it is at same level like Iran or India. Much higher than that, but not at level of Korea.

Top 20 PCT patents 2015, 6 from Japan, 4 from China, 4 from US, 2 from Korea, 2 from Germany. None from Israel. (Huawei No.1; Qualcomm No.2; ZTE No.3; Samsung No.4 and LG No.7)
PCT international 2015 (by origin): Korea 14,564; Israel: 1,685. For comparison, the US: 57,000; Japan: 43,000; China: 29,000; Germany: 18,000 (Germany alone is half of all European countries combined).

Last year, on a Viettel magazine, there was a story about how Viettel was going to buy a warning system from Israel. At first, they asked for $100M. Too expensive, then Viettel decided to do R&D by themselves. Then they asked for $50M, and when they came to Vietttel office, seeing what Viettel could do, they asked for $20M. But at that time, it was too late for them, as Viettel had mastered the tech and decided NOT to buy.

The merit of the story that if Israel can do, Vietnam can.

I'm not talking about consumer tech, I'm talking about military tech which is how this subject started.

Feel free to post reliable links about the superiority of South Korea military tech, particularly in the areas of nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, UAV's, Tanks (Merkava), air defense systems, electronic warfare equipment, radars, missile tech (such as Barack 8, Iron Dome, David's sling, Arrow 3, Dalila, Python, Derby, Spyder anti tank missiles, etc), Trophy APS systems for tanks, AWACs planes, etc which are all areas where Israel excels.
 
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South Korean military industries focusing much on platform centric and engineering feats, especially at Naval and land based platform and they tend not to over engineering their products as they were trying to play number too to match North Korean massive military hardware. Starting from K9 SPH Thunder, K2 Black Panther MBT, Samsung tecwin KIFV, K21 IFV, Doosan DST Black Fox 8X8 APC, KDX programme in which resulting series of highly capable frigates and destroyer. South Korean even capable to designing and constructing their own submarine, LHD, helicopter and other platform. South Korean too have their own indigenous SAM System starting from Chiron Manpads to KM SAM and Cheolmae CH4 anti ballistic missiles system though they are borrowing Russian Almaz Antey tech. South Korean even capable to playing catch up in artillery, ballistic missiles and radar system.

With broad range of products and backing up with several world renown companies such as Samsung, Hyundai, Doosan, Hanhwa, LIG1 and other i would dare to say South Korean military industries today is much stronger, complex, highly innovative and technological advanced in some sector compared to Israel.
 
Tanks (Merkava), air defense systems, electronic warfare equipment, radars, missile tech (such as Barack 8, Iron Dome, David's sling, Arrow 3, Dalila, Python, Derby, Spyder anti tank missiles, etc), Trophy APS systems for tanks, AWACs planes, etc which are all areas where Israel excels.

It is highly likely that all are just assemble work. As Israel cannot manufacture aircraft, where AWACs planes platform come from? Merkava tank: where diesel engine come from, the armor come from? (much like Singaporean Bronco). About the missile, I am not sure, but Taiwan developed their own missiles since 1970s (check the armament of IDF fighter aircraft, which they also manufactured by themselves)

Again, my logic is that with a tiny workforce, most of them are not Askenazi Jews and a limited manufacturing facilities, Israel cannot actually manufacture anything significant by themselves. Their strength is in R&D and design, then procure the parts/components from the US, Europe, Japan, China, Korea, assemble and give them Jewish names.

These are still good jobs done by Israel and I respect them for that. But not like Korea or Taiwan. They actually manufacture things.
 
South Korean military industries focusing much on platform centric and engineering feats, especially at Naval and land based platform and they tend not to over engineering their products as they were trying to play number too to match North Korean massive military hardware. Starting from K9 SPH Thunder, K2 Black Panther MBT, Samsung tecwin KIFV, K21 IFV, Doosan DST Black Fox 8X8 APC, KDX programme in which resulting series of highly capable frigates and destroyer. South Korean even capable to designing and constructing their own submarine, LHD, helicopter and other platform. South Korean too have their own indigenous SAM System starting from Chiron Manpads to KM SAM and Cheolmae CH4 anti ballistic missiles system though they are borrowing Russian Almaz Antey tech. South Korean even capable to playing catch up in artillery, ballistic missiles and radar system.

With broad range of products and backing up with several world renown companies such as Samsung, Hyundai, Doosan, Hanhwa, LIG1 and other i would dare to say South Korean military industries today is much stronger, complex, highly innovative and technological advanced in some sector compared to Israel.
No doubt, the south korean industrial military complex is very impressive, in many aspects even superior to that of Japan. In general the people of Asia are very smart. They are not good inventors but good at copying things from the West and make them better.

Nevertheless without massive US military aid and technology transfer neither the Koreans nor the Japanese won't come too far. Same can be said for Israel. The US provides en masse money, technology and everything to the Israeli army, making it to one of the most powerful armies of the world.

I am jealous of them.

People should not forget Israel has a tinny landmass with a tinny population but plays a role like a superpower. Not good for your country indonesia. You dump Israel for the sake of Palestine cause, sacrificing your own interest.

Just google: "công nghệ: người Israel bất ngờ với các kỹ sư Việt Nam".
Ok that is VietTel central aerial surveillance system VQ2. I believe the company develops both variants civil and military radar surveillance complex.

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Russia Far East

Did Putin's special envoy to Russia Far East Yuri Trutnev visit to Vietnam recently, inviting Vietnamese companies to invest in the region, as counterbalance to overwhelming Chinese dominance?

Seems his visit begins to pay off. Vietnamese dairy group TH True Milk says will invest $1.7 billion in establishing a dairy operation in Russia Far East. Not a huge sum if comparing to the Chinese, but it is a good start.

http://www.foodbev.com/news/vietnamese-dairy-th-true-milk-to-invest-further-1-7bn-in-russia/

Thai Huong, chairwoman of TH group
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No doubt, the south korean industrial military complex is very impressive, in many aspects even superior to that of Japan. In general the people of Asia are very smart. They are not good inventors but good at copying things from the West and make them better.

Nevertheless without massive US military aid and technology transfer neither the Koreans nor the Japanese won't come too far. Same can be said for Israel. The US provides en masse money, technology and everything to the Israeli army, making it to one of the most powerful armies of the world.

I am jealous of them.

People should not forget Israel has a tinny landmass with a tinny population but plays a role like a superpower. Not good for your country indonesia. You dump Israel for the sake of Palestine cause, sacrificing your own interest.


Ok that is VietTel central aerial surveillance system VQ2. I believe the company develops both variants civil and military radar surveillance complex.

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Indonesia had close but unrecognized relationship with Israel. As example Indonesian made MPA Aircraft got Israeli Elta tech, so with our comm system, patrol boats, UAV, small arms, mortar and so on. In economic sphere, several Indonesian tycoon got excellent business partnership with their Israeli counterpart.

As long as Indonesia is close with USA we can get close with Israel by other means.
 
South Korean military industries focusing much on platform centric and engineering feats, especially at Naval and land based platform and they tend not to over engineering their products as they were trying to play number too to match North Korean massive military hardware. Starting from K9 SPH Thunder, K2 Black Panther MBT, Samsung tecwin KIFV, K21 IFV, Doosan DST Black Fox 8X8 APC, KDX programme in which resulting series of highly capable frigates and destroyer. South Korean even capable to designing and constructing their own submarine, LHD, helicopter and other platform. South Korean too have their own indigenous SAM System starting from Chiron Manpads to KM SAM and Cheolmae CH4 anti ballistic missiles system though they are borrowing Russian Almaz Antey tech. South Korean even capable to playing catch up in artillery, ballistic missiles and radar system.

With broad range of products and backing up with several world renown companies such as Samsung, Hyundai, Doosan, Hanhwa, LIG1 and other i would dare to say South Korean military industries today is much stronger, complex, highly innovative and technological advanced in some sector compared to Israel.

The only sector where South Korea is superior to Israel is shipbuilding, they are behind in ALL other sectors and no, South Korea is not capable of designing and constructing their own submarine all by themselves, they are doing their very first sub project right now but they rely on Germany for the heavy tech. The South Korean destroyer is a fully licensed AEGIS project. They still have way, way to go.

The Black Panther MBT, first South Korean tank, started production in 2013, the Israelis have been doing tanks for decades and lets not even talk about APS systems where the Israelis are the world leaders. The Merkava is considered one of the best tanks and is combat proven.

Ballistic missiles, South Korea has one with a 300 km range, another one with a 500 km range and are now testing one with a 800 km range. The Israelis have the whole spread including ICBMs, Arrow 2 and 3 (mid course interceptors, extremely high tech rocket technology), etc, they are way, way ahead.

Lets not even talk about air defense, South Korea relies on foreign assistance and is also considering to buy Iron Dome. The Israelis have the whole spread. Barak 8 is probably the best air defense missile in its range and by the way, Israel makes everything, active seeker, propulsion, etc. Arrow 2 and 3 again. Iron Dome, an unique system whose type is only made by Israel.

There is no contest when it comes to missiles, Israel makes lots of different missiles of all types.
Air to air missiles= Python and Derby, South Korea only uses US missiles
Anti tank missiles: Spyke, one of the very best anti tank missiles in the world (bought by India), Lahat, Nimrod, MAPATS.

Combat aircraft: Israel made an advance combat aircraft all by themselves, the Lavi (equivalent to the F-16) and before that one, the Kfir. The Lavi was already made many years ago. The Israelis were forced to give up the Lavi by USA since the Americans were worried that the Lavi was going to take a lot of export orders from the F-16. USA bankrolls much of the Israeli defense budget so Israel had to cave in. The Israelis do full advance aircraft upgrades using their own technology and actually use a lot of their own avionics in their F-16s and F-15s. They are leaders in aircraft electronic warfare. They've been making advance AESA radars for fighter jets for quite a few years now (exporting to India now). There is no such thing as South Korean AESA radars. South Korea wants to upgrade their F-16s but it will be the full American upgrade. What aircraft has South Korea developed? The T-50, a crapy glorified trainer and still, they needed American assistance. Their current project relies on American tech transfer for the crucial tech and they are very worried that USA will not agree to transfer the tech.

There is not such a thing as a South Korean helicopter, only a development project which is a very different thing. Lets give them credit when they actually do one.

UAVs, South Korea is still developing their first UAV, the Israelis created the whole concept and are one of the world leaders in that category and are the number 1 worldwide exporter.

AWACS aircraft which is a very advance tech, South Korea is not developing anything, they bought Boeing. Israel on the other hand is one of the leaders in the field, they use foreign aircraft, the Falcon and ALL the AWACS tech is 100% Israeli and very advanced. The C-295 AWACS is also using a full Israeli AWACS system.

Satellites and Space program: Israel have very advanced military satellites and have been launching them since 1988. The South Korean space program depends on Russian assistance and is still struggling. They finally achieved their first rocket into Earth orbit only in 2013 (Naro 1 rocket) and placed a satellite into orbit. This is all way, way behind Israel.

I'm giving specific facts here, not general statements and the facts show that Israel is ahead in all sectors other than shipbuilding and usually way ahead. Feel free to show me otherwise.

There is no doubt that South Korea is progressing a lot and is developing a nice level of military tech, but they are not up there yet, they still have way to go, the Israelis are up there and have been there for a long time.

No doubt, the south korean industrial military complex is very impressive, in many aspects even superior to that of Japan.

Superior to Japan in many aspects? Where did you get that bro? Japan is extremely advanced in defense tech, way superior to South Korea in all sectors.
 
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The only sector where South Korea is superior to Israel is shipbuilding, they are behind in ALL other sectors and no, South Korea is not capable of designing and constructing their own submarine all by themselves, they are doing their very first sub project right now but they rely on Germany for the heavy tech. The South Korean destroyer is a fully licensed AEGIS project. They still have way, way to go.

The Black Panther MBT, first South Korean tank, started production in 2013, the Israelis have been doing tanks for decades and lets not even talk about APS systems where the Israelis are the world leaders. The Merkava is considered one of the best tanks and is combat proven.

Ballistic missiles, South Korea has one with a 300 km range, another one with a 500 km range and are now testing one with a 800 km range. The Israelis have the whole spread including ICBMs, Arrow 2 and 3 (mid course interceptors, extremely high tech rocket technology), etc, they are way, way ahead.

Lets not even talk about air defense, South Korea relies on foreign assistance and is also considering to buy Iron Dome. The Israelis have the whole spread. Barak 8 is probably the best air defense missile in its range and by the way, Israel makes everything, active seeker, propulsion, etc. Arrow 2 and 3 again. Iron Dome, an unique system whose type is only made by Israel.

There is no contest when it comes to missiles, Israel makes lots of different missiles of all types.
Air to air missiles= Python and Derby, South Korea only uses US missiles
Anti tank missiles: Spyke, one of the very best anti tank missiles in the world (bought by India), Lahat, Nimrod, MAPATS.

Combat aircraft: Israel made an advance combat aircraft all by themselves, the Lavi (equivalent to the F-16) and before that one, the Kfir. The Lavi was already made many years ago. The Israelis were forced to give up the Lavi by USA since the Americans were worried that the Lavi was going to take a lot of export orders from the F-16. USA bankrolls much of the Israeli defense budget so Israel had to cave in. The Israelis do full advance aircraft upgrades using their own technology and actually use a lot of their own avionics in their F-16s and F-15s. They are leaders in aircraft electronic warfare. They've been making advance AESA radars for fighter jets for quite a few years now (exporting to India now). There is no such thing as South Korean AESA radars. South Korea wants to upgrade their F-16s but it will be the full American upgrade. What aircraft has South Korea developed? The T-50, a crapy glorified trainer and still, they needed American assistance. Their current project relies on American tech transfer for the crucial tech and they are very worried that USA will not agree to transfer the tech.

There is not such a thing as a South Korean helicopter, only a development project which is a very different thing. Lets give them credit when they actually do one.

UAVs, South Korea is still developing their first UAV, the Israelis created the whole concept and are one of the world leaders in that category and are the number 1 worldwide exporter.

AWACS aircraft which is a very advance tech, South Korea is not developing anything, they bought Boing. Israel on the other hand is one of the leaders in the field, they use foreign aircraft, the Falcon and ALL the AWACS tech is 100% Israeli and very advanced. The C-295 AWACS is also using a full Israeli AWACS system.

Satellites and Space program: Israel have very advanced military satellites and have been launching them since 1988. The South Korean space program depends on Russian assistance and is still struggling. They finally achieved their first rocket into Earth orbit only in 2013 (Naro 1 rocket) and placed a satellite into orbit. This is all way, way behind Israel.

I'm giving specific facts here, not general statements and the facts show that Israel is ahead in all sectors other than shipbuilding and usually way ahead. Feel free to show me otherwise.

There is no doubt that South Korea is progressing a lot and is developing a nice level of military tech, but they are not up there yet, they still have way to go, the Israelis are up there and have been there for a long time.



Superior to Japan in many aspects? Where did you get that bro? Japan is extremely advanced in defense tech, way superior to South Korea in all sectors.
stop wasting your energy, no muslim and Chinese want to hear how great Israel is.
 

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