Vietnam Defence Forum

[Carlosa]

stop wasting your energy, no muslim and Chinese want to hear how great Israel is.

Indeed a waste of time and energy.

 

[Viet]

The only sector where South Korea is superior to Israel is shipbuilding, they are behind in ALL other sectors and no, South Korea is not capable of designing and constructing their own submarine all by themselves, they are doing their very first sub project right now but they rely on Germany for the heavy tech. The South Korean destroyer is a fully licensed AEGIS project. They still have way, way to go.

The Black Panther MBT, first South Korean tank, started production in 2013, the Israelis have been doing tanks for decades and lets not even talk about APS systems where the Israelis are the world leaders. The Merkava is considered one of the best tanks and is combat proven.

Ballistic missiles, South Korea has one with a 300 km range, another one with a 500 km range and are now testing one with a 800 km range. The Israelis have the whole spread including ICBMs, Arrow 2 and 3 (mid course interceptors, extremely high tech rocket technology), etc, they are way, way ahead.

Lets not even talk about air defense, South Korea relies on foreign assistance and is also considering to buy Iron Dome. The Israelis have the whole spread. Barak 8 is probably the best air defense missile in its range and by the way, Israel makes everything, active seeker, propulsion, etc. Arrow 2 and 3 again. Iron Dome, an unique system whose type is only made by Israel.

There is no contest when it comes to missiles, Israel makes lots of different missiles of all types.
Air to air missiles= Python and Derby, South Korea only uses US missiles
Anti tank missiles: Spyke, one of the very best anti tank missiles in the world (bought by India), Lahat, Nimrod, MAPATS.

Combat aircraft: Israel made an advance combat aircraft all by themselves, the Lavi (equivalent to the F-16) and before that one, the Kfir. The Lavi was already made many years ago. The Israelis were forced to give up the Lavi by USA since the Americans were worried that the Lavi was going to take a lot of export orders from the F-16. USA bankrolls much of the Israeli defense budget so Israel had to cave in. The Israelis do full advance aircraft upgrades using their own technology and actually use a lot of their own avionics in their F-16s and F-15s. They are leaders in aircraft electronic warfare. They've been making advance AESA radars for fighter jets for quite a few years now (exporting to India now). There is no such thing as South Korean AESA radars. South Korea wants to upgrade their F-16s but it will be the full American upgrade. What aircraft has South Korea developed? The T-50, a crapy glorified trainer and still, they needed American assistance. Their current project relies on American tech transfer for the crucial tech and they are very worried that USA will not agree to transfer the tech.

There is not such a thing as a South Korean helicopter, only a development project which is a very different thing. Lets give them credit when they actually do one.

UAVs, South Korea is still developing their first UAV, the Israelis created the whole concept and are one of the world leaders in that category and are the number 1 worldwide exporter.

AWACS aircraft which is a very advance tech, South Korea is not developing anything, they bought Boing. Israel on the other hand is one of the leaders in the field, they use foreign aircraft, the Falcon and ALL the AWACS tech is 100% Israeli and very advanced. The C-295 AWACS is also using a full Israeli AWACS system.

Satellites and Space program: Israel have very advanced military satellites and have been launching them since 1988. The South Korean space program depends on Russian assistance and is still struggling. They finally achieved their first rocket into Earth orbit only in 2013 (Naro 1 rocket) and placed a satellite into orbit. This is all way, way behind Israel.

I'm giving specific facts here, not general statements and the facts show that Israel is ahead in all sectors other than shipbuilding and usually way ahead. Feel free to show me otherwise.

There is no doubt that South Korea is progressing a lot and is developing a nice level of military tech, but they are not up there yet, they still have way to go, the Israelis are up there and have been there for a long time.



Superior to Japan in many aspects? Where did you get that bro? Japan is extremely advanced in defense tech, way superior to South Korea in all sectors.

it is my assumption. I may be wrong. Take destroyer, the backbone of Japanese navy. The Japanese warships are more numerous but they are designed to defend the homeland. The destroyers possesses limited offensive capabilities, in contrast the Korean destroyers are on full mode configuration including land attack missiles.

 

[Carlosa]

it is my assumption. I may be wrong. Take destroyer, the backbone of Japanese navy. The Japanese warships are more numerous but they are designed to defend the homeland. The destroyers possesses limited offensive capabilities, in contrast the Korean destroyers are on full mode configuration including land attack missiles.

Military tech level is one thing and how its applied is another thing. The Japanese have superior tech across all the sectors of defense tech, but they constrained themselves to defensive systems because of political reasons, but thats changing now, they just announced that they are going to developed offensive weapons to target North Korea and they'll be able to do it fast and easy because they have the tech already.

If we want to wonder about their capabilities we only need to think about a few things such as the fact that they are codeveloping the SM-6 missile together with US (AEGIS missile), stealth fighter jet already flying that is all 100% Japanese tech including the engines (only USA and Russia are ahead), AESA radars for their F-16s, Mach 5 anti ship missiles, been making top tanks for decades, Soryu subs (considered by many to be the best diesel sub today), very sophisticated military satellites, etc, etc, unlike South Korea where they usually rely on tech transfer, the Japanese have their own tech, big difference.

Another example, they don't have nuclear weapons because of political reasons but its well known that they can develop a nuclear arsenal in a matter of months if they want to because they already have the tech.

 

[Carlosa]

Delilah could be Equipped for Vietnamese Su-30

03 April 2017

http://defense-studies.blogspot.com/2017/04/the-drive-delilah-could-be-equipped-for.html


Delilah Air-Launched advanced standoff missile (all photos/images : IMI)

This information comes from The Drive comes in an article that Vietnam is on negotiating with Israel on providing Delilah multitasking missile to equip the Su-30 fighter.

Based on data from Israeli manufacturer IMI, the Delilah missile is designed with a GPS navigation system, along with an automatic steering for navigation, which can then be converted to a pink image. foreign or CCD image in the late stages.




The Delilah missile performs these features through data links that allow people to control missiles targeting the target. This means that people controlled weapons systems in an aircraft 150 miles away can still navigate rocket flexible, making accurate Delilah attack target.

With this feature, the Delilah missile can alter an attack target even if it is launched by a rider who can let the missile fly over the vent or window of the building instead of attacking from the missile. Forward or a predetermined direction.




It is the world's first multitasking missile, so in addition to its fixed target attack, Delilah can also accurately strike targets in motion. Therefore, Israel also uses this type of missile on anti-ship missions.

According to The Drive, Delilah's biggest difference is that it can reduce the engine speed to save fuel and fly around the target area to pinpoint accuracy. Also, Delilah has self destruction if the controller does not find the target.

 

[Carlosa]

I am under impression of Japanese decline and the rise of South Korea by a recent purchase of mine, in an item that has nothing to do with military tech: rice cooker.

I went to a Vietnamese supermarket nearby to look for a nice rice cooking machine. To my surprise I found neither Vietnamese nor Japanese brand. No Japanese incredible. There are Chinese and Korean rice cookers available. They look similar, have identical functionality. Interestingly the Korean cooker costs 4 times more than Chinese competitor. I unboxed them curiously to find out what makes Korean brand much more expensive. Bingo. The Chinese rice cooker is thin, not made for tough time, while the Korean brother is massive, designed to withstand even a nuclear blast

I bought the Korean. In the unlikely event of nuclear war my rice cooker will survive, when Chinese will melt to liquid

Ok putting joke aside, you are right. Japan is a country nobody should not underestimate. the military buildup of Japan is a good thing, keeping the Chinese in check. It is interesting the Chinese copy the idea of "the sea is mine" from a British theorist, John Selden, who created Mare Clausum, or “closed seas". This theory was exercised and enforced by the British empire. Now the Chinese follow it. How ironic.

Might is right.

The Chinese are not different to other hooligans with their aggression.

Well, the simple truth is that Japan's economy has been stagnated for many years now and South Korea is the new upstart. Sony has a hard time competing with Samsung and LG. Samsung is the new Sony. In consumer goods South Korea is already up there, but it will take a while until they can reach that level in the defense sector.

On a positive note, the current Japanese administration is determined to break the old taboos in the defense sector such as the 1% of GDP spending and offensive weapons, maybe even nuclear weapons, Trump is definitely making that whole process easier.

On a consumer note, I have a South Korean blender, Buono brand, its a hell of a machine, both in performance and durability, has a powerful motor, that thing has been built to last for many years, it grinds the ice to a powder form, I bought in Thailand a few years ago. Every time friends come to the house and we make Vietnamese style smoothies with it, everybody goes "wow" great machine, it was expensive, but worth every penny. I guess its a sign of where South Korea is at this time.

 

[Viet]

Well, the simple truth is that Japan's economy has been stagnated for many years now and South Korea is the new upstart. Sony has a hard time competing with Samsung and LG. Samsung is the new Sony. In consumer goods South Korea is already up there, but it will take a while until they can reach that level in the defense sector.

On a positive note, the current Japanese administration is determined to break the old taboos in the defense sector such as the 1% of GDP spending and offensive weapons, maybe even nuclear weapons, Trump is definitely making that whole process easier.

On a consumer note, I have a South Korean blender, Buono brand, its a hell of a machine, both in performance and durability, has a powerful motor, that thing has been built to last for many years, it grinds the ice to a powder form, I bought in Thailand a few years ago. Every time friends come to the house and we make Vietnamese style smoothies with it, everybody goes "wow" great machine, it was expensive, but worth every penny. I guess its a sign of where South Korea is at this time.

Japan's biggest enemy is demography: rapidly declining and fast aging population. I once here promoted the idea of state union between Japan and Vietnam, maybe we will see it becoming reality in this century.

Yes Japan should lift all restrictions and do more for balance of power.

The Koreans are in many aspects like a man, who wanders between genius and madness.

 

[Carlosa]

Japan's biggest enemy is demography: rapidly declining and fast aging population. I once here promoted the idea of state union between Japan and Vietnam, maybe we will see it becoming reality in this century.

Yes Japan should lift all restrictions and do more for balance of power.

The Koreans are in many aspects like a man, who wanders between genius and madness.

Yeah, a significant percentage of the Japanese male population are afraid or too shy to date a woman, they prefer to have a manga girlfriend. Some Japanese women are now looking for South Korean boyfriends.

 

[Viet]

Yeah, a significant percentage of the Japanese male population are afraid or too shy to date a woman, they prefer to have a manga girlfriend. Some Japanese women are now looking for South Korean boyfriends.

Ha ha ha manga ...not my taste.

One note on Korean men: the ancestors from the Koreans are said coming from the North as far as Finnland, from the South as far as Vietnam. Knowing that fact helps one understand the madness of the Kim dynasty.

 

[Viet]

The last Emperor of Vietnam

this Rolex 6062 once belonged to the last Emperor of Vietnam: Bao Dai, now on auction in Switzerland, which will take place on May 13 and 14 in Geneva under the hammer at Phillips. Maybe a patriot from Vietnam with little money could buy this historic piece and lend to a museum for everyone to see. a pre-sale estimate of more than $1.5 million. expected to be sold at $2.5 million. the most expensive Rolex ever in history.

http://watchesbysjx.com/2017/03/han...nce-owned-by-the-last-emperor-of-vietnam.html

 

[AViet]

Ok putting joke aside, you are right. Japan is a country nobody should not underestimate. the military buildup of Japan is a good thing, keeping the Chinese in check. It is interesting the Chinese copy the idea of "the sea is mine" from a British theorist, John Selden, who created Mare Clausum, or “closed seas". This theory was exercised and enforced by the British empire. Now the Chinese follow it. How ironic.

If this is called "copy" then the West copied almost all structure of a modern societies from China and East Asia. A government ruled by Prime Minister, divided into ministry, a meritocracy system which select people based on their talent, not their ancestor, ... and thousands others. European Union is merely a copy of Spring-Autumn period 2000+ years ago.

Like India's "super powah" obsession, the West love to claim they are "the first" in everything and others copies them, denying the facts that before 1500, they were primitive and had to copy everything from China (especially after Mongolian invasion, which brought a lot of China civilization elements to the West, hence the Renaissance) and Middle East countries. Even from 1945 until now, much of advancement in technological/management arenas are rooted and flourished in Japan, then propagating to the Western countries, but the West shamelessly claims that Japanese learnt from them. East Asian people, on the other hand, does not have this obsession, and in many cases, just neglects and let the West says what they want.

 

[Carlosa]

If this is called "copy" then the West copied almost all structure of a modern societies from China and East Asia. A government ruled by Prime Minister, divided into ministry, a meritocracy system which select people based on their talent, not their ancestor, ... and thousands others. European Union is merely a copy of Spring-Autumn period 2000+ years ago.

Like India's "super powah" obsession, the West love to claim they are "the first" in everything and others copies them, denying the facts that before 1500, they were primitive and had to copy everything from China (especially after Mongolian invasion, which brought a lot of China civilization elements to the West, hence the Renaissance) and Middle East countries. Even from 1945 until now, much of advancement in technological/management arenas are rooted and flourished in Japan, then propagating to the Western countries, but the West shamelessly claims that Japanese learnt from them. East Asian people, on the other hand, does not have this obsession, and in many cases, just neglects and let the West says what they want.

Italian renaissance was because of Chinese influence, wow, that's a good one.

The more I read what he writes, the more I think he is a Vietnamese of chinese origin living in some kind of dream state most of the time.

 

[Viet]

Italian renaissance was because of Chinese influence, wow, that's a good one.

The more I read what he writes, the more I think he is a Vietnamese of chinese origin living in some kind of dream state most of the time.

he is indeed of chinese descent. but I am pretty sure, he is a viet patriot, always ready to take the seat in a fighter jet to fight against all aggressors

 

[AViet]

Italian renaissance was because of Chinese influence, wow, that's a good one.

The more I read what he writes, the more I think he is a Vietnamese of chinese origin living in some kind of dream state most of the time.

Boy, my mother used to be a Greco-Roman history teacher at one of the most prestigious university in Vietnam (she published many books about Western history herself). In my parent house, there are a lot of documents which never be published. I had chances to question even the most well-known Vietnamese historians and I was still not satisfied with their replies.

Surely I have different view of history than an average Vietnamese

 

[AViet]

Italian renaissance was because of Chinese influence, wow, that's a good one.

The more I read what he writes, the more I think he is a Vietnamese of chinese origin living in some kind of dream state most of the time.

Carlosa, Viet, should we continue the game of guessing who descended from whom?. Since you both started it long time ago, I want to upgrade it to a new level.

Viet, I guess you were born in Nha Trang from a family with mother of North Vietnamese origin and father of Chamic origin.

Carlosa, now I know you are a Vietnamese disguised as a Spaniard, I guess you were born into a family of both parents, despite Viet-speaking, of Chamic origin.

 

[Carlosa]

Carlosa, Viet, should we continue the game of guessing who descended from whom?. Since you both started it long time ago, I want to upgrade it to a new level.

Viet, I guess you were born in Nha Trang from a family with mother of North Vietnamese origin and father of Chamic origin.

Carlosa, now I know you are a Vietnamese disguised as a Spaniard, I guess you were born into a family of both parents, despite Viet-speaking, of Chamic origin.

Not man, I'm from Mars pretending to be a human.

Boy, my mother used to be a Greco-Roman history teacher at one of the most prestigious university in Vietnam (she published many books about Western history herself). In my parent house, there are a lot of documents which never be published. I had chances to question even the most well-known Vietnamese historians and I was still not satisfied with their replies.

Surely I have different view of history than an average Vietnamese

Greco Roman history teacher teaching a fringe chinese version of history of course.