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I believe media have been talking too high about Israel (the Jews control Western, especially Anglo-Saxon media). It has some so-called "high-tech" things, but far behind that of Taiwan, Korea, or even Singapore. Most of these techs are about software, which Israel has an advantage, thank to its close connection with the US. Regarding hardware, never heard about anything significant. Its UAV is very likely just an assembly work, with material and parts imported from many real high-tech countries, including China.

And Israel does not have any proven missile technology, while North Korea can send the satellite to orbit by its own rocket, which even South Korea (with Russian support) and Brazil failed after many tests.

Obviously you never heard about the Israeli Jericho missiles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_(missile)

http://www.military-today.com/missiles/jericho_3.htm Jericho III Intercontinental ballistic missile

To be clear, the Jericho I was developed with foreign cooperation, but the Jericho II and III are totally domestic and the Jericho III is an intercontinental missile. I'd like to see any South Korean ballistic missile program that gets remotely close to that.

By the way, it is the South Koreans that ALWAYS rely on foreign assistance for all their main military programs.

Israeli UAVs are likely an assembly work? No kidding, Israel is one of the leaders in UAV technology and the number 1 exporter of UAVs.

As usual, you talk first and check the facts later.

@DavidSling care to comment?
 
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Vietnam looks to buy Delilah standoff-range missiles from Israel



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Vietnam is looking to increase the capabilities of its fighter fleet at the expense of an Israeli-made standoff multi-role cruise missile that can strike targets over 250 kilometers away with pinpoint accuracy.

According to Flightglobal, Vietnam is considering a purchase an advanced version of the Israel Military Industries (IMI) Delilah standoff-range air-to-surface missile.

The purchase was discussed between Vietnamese President Tran Dai Quang and IMI chairman Yitzhak Aharonovitch in Hanoi recently.

The missile is designed to target moving and re-locatable targets with a circular error probable (CEP) of 1 metre (3 ft 3 in). Unlike a typical cruise missile, which is locked onto a pre-programmed target prior to launch, the Delilah missile’s unique feature, as claimed by the manufacturer, is being able to “patrol” and surveil an area before a remote navigator identifies the specific target of the attack.

There is the issue of what Vietnamese aircraft would put such a missile to use. Their Su-30MK2 fighter jets could possibly be adapted to employ the missile or Ka-28 helicopters could also be adapted to sport the missile.

http://defence-blog.com/news/vietnam-looks-to-buy-delilah-standoff-range-missiles-from-israel.html
 
The canine warriors of Vietnam’s border defense force

TUOI TRE NEWS

UPDATED : 04/06/2017 09:00 GMT + 7

http://tuoitrenews.vn/features/40397/the-canine-warriors-of-vietnams-border-defense-force

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Dogs of European origin have been trained by Vietnam’s border defense force to operate in combat missions like real soldiers.

Fearless and astute, these canine ‘warriors’ are able to perform operations beyond the capacity of their human counterparts.

In training

The 24th Border Defense School based in Hanoi’s Ba Vi District is currently home to over 600 military dogs of various breeds that are trained as juveniles to perform various operations, according to Captain Tran Quoc Huong, deputy chief of the school’s first training division.

The school, administered by the Ministry of National Defense, is one of Vietnam’s largest training institutions for combat dogs.

Each dog is raised and trained by a single officer from birth to maturity, Huong said, and each officer is responsible only for their assigned ‘partner’.

“Some officers work with the same dog from their enlistment to their discharge from the military,” Huong said.

Gesturing toward his 33-kilogram German Shepherd, named ‘Be-Lit’, Lieutenant Hoang Tien Dung said it takes as long as five years to train a dog to be ready to complete real missions.

The first step, Dung said, is selecting the perfect puppy. Good shape, outstanding stamina, quick reflexes, a natural fierceness and mental stability are a must for any good combat dog.

To demonstrate Be-Lit’s skills, Dung walked him to some nearby woods where the animal was ordered to lay completely still in a bush.

The German Shepherd ignored all provocation from a dummy target, who whistled, shouted and growled at the dog to lure it from its hiding position.

On the ‘Attack!’ order from his trainer Lt. Dung, Be-Lit jumped at his target and knocked him over, then stood over the prone target and awaited further orders.

In combat

According to Lieutenant Nguyen Tai Tiep, once military dogs have been called to duty, even armed criminals can be overwhelmed by their fierceness and physical strength.

In November 2009, a drug ring involving an armed criminal gang in the northern province of Son La was busted thanks to the assistance of combat dogs trained at the school.

In order to avoid suspicion, the dogs were hidden inside baskets worn on the back of their trainers, who camouflaged themselves as members of a local ethnic minority.

“The camouflage could only work with mature and well-trained dogs, since they needed to lay completely silent inside the cramped baskets,” Tiep explained.

At 7:00 pm, the drug dealers, armed with pistols and rifles, were ambushed by the pack of military dogs after crossing a stream. Even the most hardened members of the group were frightened at the sight of the ferocious animals, and were unable to resist, Tiep said.

According to Major Nguyen Van Hung, not all dogs trained at the school are employed as combat dogs. Some are trained as sniffer dogs and used to detect illegal drugs being trafficked into Vietnam.

These dogs do not require great strength or agility, but a keen nose is essential, Hung said.

Dogs at the 24th Border Defense School enjoy nutritious meals at a cost of VND50,000 (US$2.23) per day, with occasional ‘supplements’ including baluts and milk on days involving hard training.

“Unlike other countries, military dogs in Vietnam are not ranked officers,” Captain Tran Quoc Huong said. “However, after they die, those with remarkable merits will be stuffed and mounted on the walls of our memorial rooms for later generations to remember.”

“Each stuffed dog on our wall is a proud reminder of our school’s history and an invaluable reminder for young trainers to perform their duty well in safeguarding our country’s borders,” Lieutenant Colonel Nguyen Van Mao said.
 
Obviously you never heard about the Israeli Jericho missiles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_(missile)

http://www.military-today.com/missiles/jericho_3.htm Jericho III Intercontinental ballistic missile

To be clear, the Jericho I was developed with foreign cooperation, but the Jericho II and III are totally domestic and the Jericho III is an intercontinental missile. I'd like to see any South Korean ballistic missile program that gets remotely close to that.

By the way, it is the South Koreans that ALWAYS rely on foreign assistance for all their main military programs.

Israeli UAVs are likely an assembly work? No kidding, Israel is one of the leaders in UAV technology and the number 1 exporter of UAVs.

As usual, you talk first and check the facts later.

@DavidSling care to comment?

Number 1 exporter of UAV and tech leader? How do you know? By reading Western (read: Jews-controlled) media? Can Israel manufacture engine, material and avionics, or just design and assemble from imported parts?

Have you ever read a news about Israeli UAV in combat? Where do they export to? In this forum, I can only see the news about Chinese UAV, which have been exported to almost all warring regions, like Middle East or Africa. And Saudi Arabia just bought 300 pieces of CH-4.

Nowadays, every Western firms claim they are number 1 and the world best.

And regarding who relies on whom, I believe Israel far more relies on the US for its military programs, much more so than South Korea.
 
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Number 1 exporter of UAV and tech leader? How do you know? By reading Western (read: Jews-controlled) media? Can Israel manufacture engine, material and avionics, or just design and assemble from imported parts?

Have you ever read a news about Israeli UAV in combat? Where do they export to? In this forum, I can only see the news about Chinese UAV, which have been exported to almost all warring regions, like Middle East or Africa. And Saudi Arabia just bought 300 pieces of CH-4.

Nowadays, every Western firms claim they are number 1 and the world best.

And regarding who relies on whom, I believe Israel far more relies on the US for its military programs, much more so than South Korea.
How about a quiz:

in terms of military cooperation, if looking from Vietnam perspective, what do the armies of China and Costa Rica have in common?

a hint: China has the largest army in the world, while Costa Rica hasn't any army at all.
 
We are talking about 2017, not 1980s. And what fighter jet Israel did make in 1980s?. I do only know about the failed Levi program of Israel.

Do you mean some rifles are all Israel hardware "high-tech"?

Regarding indigenous launch program of Israel, do you think Israel actually made the rocket? I doubt about that. Again, very likely it would do like India to import most parts, assembled and gave it an Israeli name. How can a 6-million country, 20% of them Arab, manufacture such a rocket, which need thousands of precise parts? Does Israel have such manufacturing plants in the first place. And where are the workforce?

North Korea can do, because it has thousands of weapons manufacturing plants. In addition, its workforce for weapon industry are huge with world class quality. They are probably among the most disciplined, highly educated and high IQ workforce in the world.

Even Vietnam, India or Israel are transferred missile tech and can claim to manufacture the missile by itself, can any of these country actually manufacture the missile turbo engine from A to Z (material, metallurgy, precise manufacturing, etc.)?

Do not say everything on Western media are true. Think and analyze by yourself, using your knowledge and information from various sources.
Yes, what I meant is the lavi. the lavi failed not because of technical reasons, but political reasons. and Israel already made the lavi in the 1980's; which means Israel was way ahead of the game than your east Asian bros combined even till this day 2017

And please excuse me, but are you telling the world that a country can have a ballistic missile/space launch vehicle by importing the parts and assemble them together? if that is the case, every country on this planet can just import the parts and assemble them together like i go to an electronic retailer and buy all the components of a computer, put those components together and i have my own personal computer. LOL I hope you're not that ignorant. nobody sells you that kind of parts and the metallurgy with those parts. the moment you import the parts people will notice you right away. You have to design your own rocket, know your own specs, and fabricate the parts yourself. then you must come up with a secret metallurgy formula that can withstand the intense heat; nobody sells you that metallurgy formula.

And do you even know that south Africa's ICBM program was a direct technical assistance from Israel's scientists? obviously you don't know that.

Intel doesn't have their r&d in Israel for no reason, you know.

and please quit with your I.Q crap about how great the Korean, Taiwan, Singapore are. Let's talk about the most industrialized out of that bunch; korea. Their car was originally designed with technical help from usa, the car engine was a direct tech transfer from Mitsubishi; their high speed rail was a direct tech transfer from France; their battle tank was a direct tech transfer from the usa (abrams), their submarine was a direct tech transfer from Germany, their electronic stuff was a direct assistance from joint venture with Thales; their trainer jet is a direct technical transfer from usa, their shipbuilding is a direct tech assistance from the European,...and their UAV is a direct tech transfer from Israel via joint venture LOL.
 
Yes, what I meant is the lavi. the lavi failed not because of technical reasons, but political reasons. and Israel already made the lavi in the 1980's; which means Israel was way ahead of the game than your east Asian bros combined even till this day 2017

And please excuse me, but are you telling the world that a country can have a ballistic missile/space launch vehicle by importing the parts and assemble them together? if that is the case, every country on this planet can just import the parts and assemble them together like i go to an electronic retailer and buy all the components of a computer, put those components together and i have my own personal computer. LOL I hope you're not that ignorant. nobody sells you that kind of parts and the metallurgy with those parts. the moment you import the parts people will notice you right away. You have to design your own rocket, know your own specs, and fabricate the parts yourself. then you must come up with a secret metallurgy formula that can withstand the intense heat; nobody sells you that metallurgy formula.

And do you even know that south Africa's ICBM program was a direct technical assistance from Israel's scientists? obviously you don't know that.

Intel doesn't have their r&d in Israel for no reason, you know.

and please quit with your I.Q crap about how great the Korean, Taiwan, Singapore are. Let's talk about the most industrialized out of that bunch; korea. Their car was originally designed with technical help from usa, the car engine was a direct tech transfer from Mitsubishi; their high speed rail was a direct tech transfer from France; their battle tank was a direct tech transfer from the usa (abrams), their submarine was a direct tech transfer from Germany, their electronic stuff was a direct assistance from joint venture with Thales; their trainer jet is a direct technical transfer from usa, their shipbuilding is a direct tech assistance from the European,...and their UAV is a direct tech transfer from Israel via joint venture LOL.

In last 100 years, all these craps come from the US (and other Anglo-Saxon) propaganda mouthpieces. These satisfy the ego of American, a low IQ, stupid but arrogant people.

I know the education quality in the US is bad, but not that bad. But when I see the logic of Vietnamese American on this forum and other forums, I understand.

When some Chinese company copy a product in the West, it is China who only know to copy. But when a US company use a DJI drone platform, install something on it and claim it is their own "invention", it is not considered a direct pirate or even a copy, but a great US innovation on Western media. How low the US people has become.
 
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Number 1 exporter of UAV and tech leader? How do you know? By reading Western (read: Jews-controlled) media? Can Israel manufacture engine, material and avionics, or just design and assemble from imported parts?

Have you ever read a news about Israeli UAV in combat? Where do they export to? In this forum, I can only see the news about Chinese UAV, which have been exported to almost all warring regions, like Middle East or Africa. And Saudi Arabia just bought 300 pieces of CH-4.

Nowadays, every Western firms claim they are number 1 and the world best.

And regarding who relies on whom, I believe Israel far more relies on the US for its military programs, much more so than South Korea.

How do I know? I happen to read a lot and I keep myself informed. If you only get your news from this forum, you obviously not going to know much, and yes, Israel builds the whole thing and all components and yes, it is very well known that they are the number 1 exporter of UAVs. You obviously are not familiar enough with Israel's military technology. They do have some programs where they cooperate with USA, but for the most part they do their own thing. South Korea's military tech is way behind Israel, anybody that knows anything about the subject knows this.

In last 100 years, all these craps come from the US (and other Anglo-Saxon) propaganda mouthpieces. These satisfy the ego of American, a low IQ, stupid but arrogant people.

I know the education quality in the US is bad, but not that bad. But when I see the logic of Vietnamese American on this forum and other forums, I understand.

When some Chinese company copy a product in the West, it is China who only know to copy. But when a US company use a DJI drone platform, install something on it and claim it is their own "invention", it is not considered a direct pirate or even a copy, but a great US innovation on Western media. How low the US people has become.

The American high school system is very well known to be crap, its designed to just about let everybody pass, but their universities are top level; why do you think everybody wants to go to study at American universities including lots of Chinese? Your anti western prejudice makes you blind and dictates what you want to believe, so be it, feel free to deny reality as much as you want and enjoy living in your own parallel universe man.

Yes, what I meant is the lavi. the lavi failed not because of technical reasons, but political reasons. and Israel already made the lavi in the 1980's; which means Israel was way ahead of the game than your east Asian bros combined even till this day 2017

And please excuse me, but are you telling the world that a country can have a ballistic missile/space launch vehicle by importing the parts and assemble them together? if that is the case, every country on this planet can just import the parts and assemble them together like i go to an electronic retailer and buy all the components of a computer, put those components together and i have my own personal computer. LOL I hope you're not that ignorant. nobody sells you that kind of parts and the metallurgy with those parts. the moment you import the parts people will notice you right away. You have to design your own rocket, know your own specs, and fabricate the parts yourself. then you must come up with a secret metallurgy formula that can withstand the intense heat; nobody sells you that metallurgy formula.

And do you even know that south Africa's ICBM program was a direct technical assistance from Israel's scientists? obviously you don't know that.

Intel doesn't have their r&d in Israel for no reason, you know.

and please quit with your I.Q crap about how great the Korean, Taiwan, Singapore are. Let's talk about the most industrialized out of that bunch; korea. Their car was originally designed with technical help from usa, the car engine was a direct tech transfer from Mitsubishi; their high speed rail was a direct tech transfer from France; their battle tank was a direct tech transfer from the usa (abrams), their submarine was a direct tech transfer from Germany, their electronic stuff was a direct assistance from joint venture with Thales; their trainer jet is a direct technical transfer from usa, their shipbuilding is a direct tech assistance from the European,...and their UAV is a direct tech transfer from Israel via joint venture LOL.

Koreans have always been copy cats and that's very well known and continue to be that way for the most part. Israel on the other hand, CREATES technology, whatever they get involved in, they are tops. Simple as that.
 
Vietnam To Receive Russia's Gepard-class Ship In September This Year
Our Bureau
12:16 PM, April 3, 2017

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Gepard-class frigate
Sputnik news reported today.

"The first ship will be delivered in September as it has already completed trials.” Zelenodolsk Shipyard General Director Renat Mistakhov said. However, the second is just starting trials, we will hand it over to the client in November or December this year," Mistakhov said. Both frigates are currently undergoing firing trials at a Black Sea naval training range.

Vietnam ordered this batch of vessels in 2011 and they were laid down the following year and construction proceeded on schedule despite Ukraine's refusal to supply components in 2016.

The Zelenodolsk plant had showcased its Gepard 3.9 frigate at the LIMA-2017 naval and aerospace exhibition in Malaysia last month. The manufacturer also agreed to supply the vessels to Sri Lanka during the event.

The Gepard 3.9 is an export version of Project 1166.1 frigates. It is equipped to engage enemy aircraft, ships and submarines, as well as conduct escort missions, patrol and support landing and mine-laying missions.

The Vietnamese navy received in March and August 2011 two Gepard 3.9-class frigates ordered in 2006, built in Russia at Tatarstan's Gorky Shipbuilding Plant.

A further two ships were ordered in 2014 to bring the total order up to six vessels.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/18...lass_Ship_In_September_This_Year#.WOaIArh4WEc
 
CNC machine capable to manufacture calibers from 60mm to 100mm. One of this: armor piercing RPG-9T2 (73mm).

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Number 1 exporter of UAV and tech leader? How do you know? By reading Western (read: Jews-controlled) media? Can Israel manufacture engine, material and avionics, or just design and assemble from imported parts?

Have you ever read a news about Israeli UAV in combat? Where do they export to? In this forum, I can only see the news about Chinese UAV, which have been exported to almost all warring regions, like Middle East or Africa. And Saudi Arabia just bought 300 pieces of CH-4.

Nowadays, every Western firms claim they are number 1 and the world best.

And regarding who relies on whom, I believe Israel far more relies on the US for its military programs, much more so than South Korea.
How do I know? I happen to read a lot and I keep myself informed. If you only get your news from this forum, you obviously not going to know much, and yes, Israel builds the whole thing and all components and yes, it is very well known that they are the number 1 exporter of UAVs. You obviously are not familiar enough with Israel's military technology. They do have some programs where they cooperate with USA, but for the most part they do their own thing. South Korea's military tech is way behind Israel, anybody that knows anything about the subject knows this.



The American high school system is very well known to be crap, its designed to just about let everybody pass, but their universities are top level; why do you think everybody wants to go to study at American universities including lots of chinese? Your anti western prejudice makes you blind and dictates what you want to believe, so be it, feel free to deny reality as much as you want and enjoy living in your own parallel universe man.



Koreans have always been copy cats and thats very well known and continue to be that way for the most part. Israel on the other hand, CREATES technology, whatever they get involved in, they are tops. Simple as that.
Israel invented the UAV in the 70',all the world follow us.
Israel invented the battle management system to main battle tank,all the world follow us.
Israel invented the disk-on-key.
Israel developed the Lavi and sell it to the chinese,in china it became j-10.
Israel developed its own satellites/launchers/missiles,nobody wanted to help us.
The list goes on&on,but now i wanna show you a video

***I really love S.Korea the same as all israelis and jews worldwide
 
How do I know? I happen to read a lot and I keep myself informed. If you only get your news from this forum, you obviously not going to know much, and yes, Israel builds the whole thing and all components and yes, it is very well known that they are the number 1 exporter of UAVs. You obviously are not familiar enough with Israel's military technology. They do have some programs where they cooperate with USA, but for the most part they do their own thing. South Korea's military tech is way behind Israel, anybody that knows anything about the subject knows this.



The American high school system is very well known to be crap, its designed to just about let everybody pass, but their universities are top level; why do you think everybody wants to go to study at American universities including lots of chinese? Your anti western prejudice makes you blind and dictates what you want to believe, so be it, feel free to deny reality as much as you want and enjoy living in your own parallel universe man.



Koreans have always been copy cats and thats very well known and continue to be that way for the most part. Israel on the other hand, CREATES technology, whatever they get involved in, they are tops. Simple as that.

Oh really. Do you know how many patents Korea apply in WiPo every year and how many from Israel?

In electronic, Korea is already the world best. Im sure Israel has to rely on Korean OEM suppliers for a lot of their weapon electronic system. Do you think Israel can manufacture the screen or other components by themselves

It is hard fact, not from media and verifiable. I do not care the claims about "i do it first, they just copy from us" craps
 
Oh really. Do you know how many patents Korea apply in WiPo every year and how many from Israel?

In electronic, Korea is already the world best. Im sure Israel has to rely on Korean OEM suppliers for a lot of their weapon electronic system. Do you think Israel can manufacture the screen or other components by themselves

It is hard fact, not from media and verifiable. I do not care the claims about "i do it first, they just copy from us" craps
Wow. Korea makes the freaking screen. Guess what? Israeli design and fabricate the microprocessor that is the heart of all electronic stuff out there. Check your own personal computer, it is run on intel microprocessor that is designed and fabricated by israel. Guess what? Korea has not produced any aesa radar yet while israel has been producing aesa radar for years and even export them to your cong goons of vietnam.
 
Oh really. Do you know how many patents Korea apply in WiPo every year and how many from Israel?

In electronic, Korea is already the world best. Im sure Israel has to rely on Korean OEM suppliers for a lot of their weapon electronic system. Do you think Israel can manufacture the screen or other components by themselves

It is hard fact, not from media and verifiable. I do not care the claims about "i do it first, they just copy from us" craps

Your problem is that you have a "reality distortion field", you believe what you want to believe and ignore what you don't want to believe. When it comes to military technology, South Korea is a dummy compared to Israel.
 
@AViet

It's worthless to praise China military superiory or from other nations if we don't cooperate with them or receive any piece of technology.

Even from Japan. Yes our friend Japanese still has a law in place since the Cold War, that forbids any military hardware delivery to Vietnam. There is no difference between China and Costa Rica armies, even the latter hasn't any army at all. Our cooperation with them is zero. Zero to China, zero to Costa Rica. That is what both countries have in common. No need to mention America. The US lifts sanctions last year, but any delivery needs approval from both the US government and the Congress. It is impossible to get any deal quickly done. US allies in the West and the East follow the US arms policy.

So understandable only few countries in the world deliver military hardware and software to Vietnam. One is Russia, follows by nobody, then comes Israel. Sure, Putin needs no US approval if selling arms to Vietnam. But Israel obviously needs no approval, either.

Israel is a country we can rely on. They are in many aspects very similar to Vietnam. Not only because the Israeli Armed Forces are a people's army, like of Vietnam.

Signing to establish a series of community centers across Vietnam modeled after Israeli counterpart.

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http://vietnamnews.vn/society/373284/israel-to-help-vn-build-community-centers.html
 

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