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Kh-31P anti-radiation missile with something like a harness.............
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Kh-31P anti-radiation missile with something like a harness.............
@yugocrosrb95 Did I insulting you with my post? Why assuming people are incompetent when you don't have any military experience? Do you know me? your variant 5.56 may penetrate deeper but 7.62 still have a much larger exit hole and can still take an arm or leg out instead of just go through it like the 5.56 variant or not. You ask questions and people reply, but when you don't like the answers you start to insulting people. You are a typical guy acting tough and vulgar hiding behind a computer screen ,.... From now on, I will stop reading and reply your posts because a lot of stuffs you write doesn't make sense and you can't communicate with people without insulting them.
@yugocrosrb95 Did I insulting you with my post? Why assuming people are incompetent when you don't have any military experience? Do you know me? your variant 5.56 may penetrate deeper but 7.62 still have a much larger exit hole and can still take an arm or leg out instead of just go through it like the 5.56 variant or not. You ask questions and people reply, but when you don't like the answers you start to insulting people. You are a typical guy acting tough and vulgar hiding behind a computer screen ,.... From now on, I will stop reading and reply your posts because a lot of stuffs you write doesn't make sense and you can't communicate with people without insulting them.
you can safely assume we have missiles against enemy aircraft and warships on our islands.According to Western media, China has installed HQ-9 SAM on the Paracel Island.
Beijing's missile move in South China Sea could make US think twice about getting too close | World news | The Guardian
I wonder if Vietnam could do the same on one of its Spratly Islands.
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PersonallyIsrael is currently showcasing their military hard-wares at an exhibit in Singapore.
Globes English - Israel's defense exports fall but not steeply
Some of the toys such as such "Iron Dome interceptors" for ships should invite VPA 's interest.
Since Vietnam is proficient at producing ammunition, one wonder if it could compete with the like of IMI on a global scale and export small caliber ammo such 5.56 mm.
Globes English - IMI wins Spanish ammunition deal
Why VPA would change for 5.56 when they already have +millions weapons using 7.62, huge ammo stocks and production facilities? It a huge army of 450 000 here, not some small army of 10-20 000 troop. As myself a user of 5.56mm, yes it's very precise and light to carry but it still lack the punch of 7.62 in close quarter combat. I want to see a guy falling down after taking a shot of 7.62 rather than see a guy still walking after a couple 5.56. People fall in love with the firepower and destruction of 7.62. And a few extra kilos weight of 7.62 ammo is not something the infantrymen would complaint much.The replacement Galil Ace 31 and Ace 32 are all 7.62mm. VPA still use the AR15 with the 5.56 mm.
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As an infantryman myself, I complaint when I put on an extra pair of socks. It may seems strange to you but in battle, a few extra kilo is what make the different, you can have 9 out of 10 times having no problem putting on an extra 3 kilo, either with a few more frags or a few more mag. But that one time you are uncomfortable with the load is the one that you will regret, and may even be killed over it.
Loading factor is a soldier's priority, I don't generally overload my soldiers, unless I am absolutely need to overload them. Having 300 rounds instead of 200 rounds also make quite a different in battle. When you put stress, adrenaline, and excitement into the equation, expending all 200 rounds is just like a skip in time....
7.62 have their advantage, while the 556 have their own, beside, it's seriously advised against using any sort of rifle in Close quarter anyway..........
The dilemna of 5.56 versus 7.62 started since the Viet Nam war, when the Americans change their M14 for the M16 and accounts of firefights with NVA armed with AKs. Both ammo are good but they are good for different reasons. M14 is still being use today in the US armyWhatever improvements get done to a 5.56 ammo, can also be done to the 7.62 ammo and the difference will persist, its just a matter of physics. Size does make a difference in range and penetration power not matter what.
This guy has an attitude problem, he doesn't seem to be able to talk to people without insulting. 20 years old, probably the type of aggressive kid that bullies everybody in the neighborhood.
@Viet etc, I suggest that everybody ignores this guy, don't talk to him, we don't need this in the thread.
If we ignore him, he'll eventually get frustrated by not getting attention and will go away. Report him also.
Of course weight is important but it also depend on the length of your mission( long or short) and the purpose of your mission (recon, patrol, ambush, attack...). If your mission is just to engage and firefight, then you just pack for that purpose. That's why I said that extra kilos of ammo won't mind anybody. And if that extra pair of socks help you in the winter warfare then take it, anything else that is not necessary can be spare for extra ammo. My definition of close quarter combat is everything that is close combat firefight, urban warfare (you get my point...)... 7.62 is doing great in those chaotic scenarios. The SCAR MK 17 CQC (CLOSE QUARTER COMBAT) 7.62 X 51 mm is doing great and is battle proven in close quarter combat.View attachment 294463
The dilemna of 5.56 versus 7.62 started since the Viet Nam war, when the Americans change their M14 for the M16 and accounts of firefights with NVA armed with AKs. Both ammo are good but they are good for different reasons. M14 is still being use today in the US army
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It's actually not that.
It may seems strange to you, but in today's war, you don't actually go on a mission and expect firefights. War and battle today is a lot more complicated than say Vietnam war era. Where you have well define mission such as Search and Destroy, Night Ambushes, Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol or Just Combat Sweep. Today warfare is what you basically expect to carry all these mission at once, and have your team readied for any sort of deployment. You have to equally prepared to perform an Air Assault or a Ground Patrol because battlefield changes quickly, and they may need you to do one thing this second, another thing next. It happens A LOT in the military.
Problem with mission specific load-out is basically an out of date concept. You cannot think "Yeah, I am expecting a firefight, so I max out on ammo and you don't bring food, water, medical supplies." The problem is actually not weight (Although they do present a problem) but what you can carry with you in the battlefield. You can only carry a rug sack as well a load bearing vest that pretty much all you can get in between them. You need your NVG, your repel rope, your flex ties, your Medikit as much as you need ammo. And in the end, it's that few kilogram here and there would actually make the ultimate different. It's about the time when you get into an unexpected situation. I remember once I have to choose between a notepad and pen and a few grenade (That was 2003, there are no smartphone yet), and I choose the latter, ended up remembering all important detail on my patrol with my own memory during debriefing.
It's quite easy for you to say here, and you may not actually understand me. But this is quite the universal truth when you deal with combat today. You may think what's a few kilogram can do? I mean think about this, if you are in a desert, 115 degree heats. The 2 or 3 kilograms translate to more water intake, meaning you have to bring more water, and thus increase your load once again. Which translate to decrease in combat performance.
You may say this, what's the point when we are gonna be all in a Humvee anyway......But the sad fact is, you cannot spend your whole war in a Humvee. I tried, that's not working like that.
About SCAR 17, the CQC version is not developed for CQC specifically, but rather you can use it in a CQC environment as well. It's sort of a happy medium.
Problem with CQC, which mean you have to have a little bit of everything, unlike ranged and open war such as jungle warfare, desert warfare or artic warfare. You need to have the little bit of all of them in a CQC situation.
762 are good round for penetration, maximum damage power, 5.56 is more accurate and give you more sustainability. While 9mm weapon usually have a shorter barrel which give you manoeuvrability as well as close grouping. In a perfect world, you would want a Shotgun to blast the door, a MP5 to turn the corner, a 5.56 for marksman type clear line shot. and 7.62 for damage. But in reality, you can't bring a M3, MP-5, HK416/M4 and a SCAR 17 all of them to combat. That's too heavy. So you would need to have a happy medium, for that, long story short, SCAR17 would be the pick of the day.
To be fair, the competition between M16 and M14 does not quite actually stemmed from the physical properties of the round, rather, it was created because the physical properties of M14 and M16 rifle themselves.
Many people unjustly compare M14 to M16, in fact, doing so would be like comparing BAR to M1 Garand. The Army was basically wrong on being too greedy to have a BAR like automatic rifle on every infantryman hand to begin with. It basically spraying bullet all over the place. M14 was not intended to be used the same way M16 does (Which is for refined aimed and accurate shot). If I have to compare to today weapon, I would say M14 would more like a M249 Minimi today. Not quite the 240Bravo (or M60 back in the days) but not too quite well defined as M4 (or XM16E1 back in the days)
M14 itself and the round were not inferior, just the army stuffed up and basically killed the weapon. It would basically the same as in WW2. We have Garand as standard infantry Rifle, BAR as squad automatic rifle, and M1919 as LMG. During Vietnam, we have M16 as standard infantry rifle, M14 as Squad Automatic Rifle, and M60 as LMG. Today, we have M4 as standard infantry rifle, Minimi as Squad Automatic Rifle, and M240B as LMG.
@yugocrosrb95 Did I insulting you with my post?
Why assuming people are incompetent when you don't have any military experience?
Do you know me?
your variant 5.56 may penetrate deeper but 7.62 still have a much larger exit hole and can still take an arm or leg out instead of just go through it like the 5.56 variant or not.
You ask questions and people reply, but when you don't like the answers you start to insulting people.
You are a typical guy acting tough and vulgar hiding behind a computer screen ,....