Vietnam Defence Forum

[GS Zhou]

So, why overestimating the capability of PLA, PLAAF and PLAAN?


That is called as "AIR FORCE BASES" aka AFB not airports. And what if AFB getting series of supersonic NLOS-BSM attack?


Why Vietnam going to need to bomb the Kumming with aerial bombs? Why not from NLOS-BSM?


Have you considered PGMs? And how much escort need to H6K?


Wrong term, Army fought wars not run democracies. Transparency never exist on battlefields.

21 sats to detect the debris? So, are you going to move your all space based assets in next war with Vietnam?



Nothing new.


What if Vietnam give the upgrade contract to Russia, or if they want western avionics then to India? Have you consider this?



Check the TTSL of J11 and its jet engine.

It's all about money, money! You can have all your airports defended by S300; you can have a large SU30 fleet that all equipped with long-range cruise missiles. You can have all your pilots trained day and night, even at the cost of wasting the lifecycle of the planes. You could make every one of the pilots get the chance to launch real cruise missile at least once a month. At the mean time, you could still purchase new satellite, new submarines and new Aegis destroyers. If you have an infinite military budget, you can make all your expectations realized! But what we are talking about now is a country with very limited military budget: $4bn/year.

Today is the 11/11 shopping festival. I personally also have a long shopping list: I need a Ferrari, I need a large villa that facing the sea and with a 1,000m2 garden, I even need a personal jet! But do I have the necessary financial resource to make my shopping list come true? No. So I could just purchased some general stuff, e.g. a DJI drone.

We are talking about a potential war China vs. Vietnam. Not China vs. US. I don't think I make any overestimate here.

Why you think an H6K launching a cruise missile from the top of Beijing need to have an escort?

Why you think 21 satellites mean all space asset of China? In 2015 alone, we've launched more than 40 satellites to orbit.

An video satellite may not be new to US. But must be a new technology to Vietnam or India.

During a conflict time, the regions of China-Viet Nam will be a mess and normal will be impossible. It would only need a bomb drop close to a PLA base and you will see people move out or hide inside their houses, most Schools and factories will be close and a lot of people would move out far away from the border. In the chaos, Families will be separated and kids trying to find their parents, that's war. Someone is missing is a normal thing during armed conflict.

When detected, the recon unit would move out back to Viet Nam. To relieve the pressure from PLA pursuing, other recon units in the region will do sabotage to distract the PLA and then themselves get out. It a cat and mouse game.

VPA artillery and missiles can bomb towns and cities close to Viet Nam border too. VPA too have long range arty. Viet Nam may come out destroy but at least they will give a fight

If you are willing to running the cost of losing all the fruits of your past 30years of economic development, just for the so-called glory and honor, fine, I don't want to argue with you any more.

Just a reminder, in case that day really comes, you'd better to come back from Canada to realize your glory and honor.

 

[Gen Padmanabhan]

It's all about money, money! You can have all your airports defended by S300; you can have a large SU30 fleet that all equipped with long-range cruise missiles. You can have all your pilots trained day and night, even at the cost of wasting the lifecycle of the planes. You could make every one of the pilots get the chance to launch real cruise missile at least once a month. At the mean time, you could still purchase new satellite, new submarines and new Aegis destroyers. If you have an infinite military budget, you can make all your expectations realized! But what we are talking about now is a country with very limited military budget: $4bn/year.

Today is the 11/11 shopping festival. I personally also have a long shopping list: I need a Ferrari, I need a large villa that facing the sea and with a 1,000m2 garden, I even need a personal jet! But do I have the necessary financial resource to make my shopping list come true? No. So I could just purchased some general stuff, e.g. a DJI drone.

We are talking about a potential war China vs. Vietnam. Not China vs. US. I don't think I make any overestimate here.

Another kind of BS.

Why you think an H6K launching a cruise missile from the top of Beijing need to have an escort?

So, ever you thought then why China not invested in Ground launchers? Then why H6K?

Why you think 21 satellites mean all space asset of China? In 2015 alone, we've launched more than 40 satellites to orbit.

Check the number of recce sats, and why China these days pleading for Topaz reactors in front of Russia.

An video satellite may not be new to US. But must be a new technology to Vietnam or India.

Seriously?

 

[GS Zhou]

So, ever you thought then why China not invested in Ground launchers? Then why H6K?

why we cannot have both ground launchers and H6K? Why US wants to have both B1 and Ohio-class nuclear submarines? Why a billionaire could not have both Ferrari and Maserati?

Check the number of recce sats, and why China these days pleading for Topaz reactors in front of Russia.

Anything wrong for trying to get better technology? At least China shows the capability for a quick localization. Is your great Bharat capable of building your own SU30 today??

Seriously?

show me the video satellite of India or Vietnam please. thanks.

 

[Gen Padmanabhan]

why we cannot have both ground launchers and H6K? Why US wants to have both B1 and Ohio-class nuclear submarines? Why a billionaire could not have both Ferrari and Maserati?

Because there is serious threat from inland Russia and China.

Anything wrong for trying to get better technology? At least China shows the capability for a quick localization. Is your great Bharat capable of building your own SU30 today??

Another hilarious comment.

show me the video satellite of India or Vietnam please. thanks.

Why only of earth? Why not moon? And that is 8 years old.

 

[GS Zhou]

Because there is serious threat from inland Russia and China.


Another hilarious comment.



Why only of earth? Why not moon? And that is 8 years old.

1. Sorry, cannot understand why you bring the "serious threat from inland Russia" to this thread. Or you mean, if one day a war China vs. Vietnam happens, Russia will immediately attack China from the north? Even in the 1979 war, when USSR had the responsibility to so because of the USSR/Vietnam treaty, the China/USSR border is still in peace.

2. I could not make a logic link between China is trying to get some smaller-sized reactor technology, with China therefore cannot allocate 21 satellites for a potential military operation in Vietnam in future. At least during the MH370 event, China had been doing so.

3. I could not see the video you post. Could you re-post?

 

[Gen Padmanabhan]

1. Sorry, cannot understand why you bring the "serious threat from inland Russia" to this thread. Or you mean, if one day a war China vs. Vietnam happens, Russia will immediately attack China from the north? Even in the 1979 war, when USSR had the responsibility to so because of the USSR/Vietnam treaty, the China/USSR border is still in peace.

Because you asking the utility of B-1.

2. I could not make a logic link between China is trying to get some smaller-sized reactor technology, with China therefore cannot allocate 21 satellites for a potential military operation in Vietnam in future. At least during the MH370 event, China had been doing so.

If you dont know what is the link between Sea recce sats that China now crying to attain with Space based reactors, then no one can help you.

3. I could not see the video you post. Could you re-post?

Search on the youtube.

 

[GS Zhou]

Because you asking the utility of B-1.


If you dont know what is the link between Sea recce sats that China now crying to attain with Space based reactors, then no one can help you.


Search on the youtube.

• H6K offers us a more flexible way for the target like Guam. And I don't see issue for using this for a potential China/Vietnam conflicts.
• I don't care about your suspicious attitude on number/lifecycle of the CN satellites on orbit. How about this? CZ11 and its fast launching platform

• Would you mind sending me the link directly?

 

[Nike]

@Hu Songshan @waz @Slav Defence

please to delete irrelevant posts from both user @Gen Padmanabhan and @GS Zhou above this post

sincerely thank you

 

[Viet]

zhou, as for contribution to the motherland, or "tax payment" as you said, the exile Viets send back home a lot of money every year, this year expected to be $14 billion. if calculating money transfered direct non-bank to the families and relatives, the figure would be $20 billion. so pls don´t bash exile vietnamese. I believe the government oif Vietnam has no reasons to complain. more, the government policy is all exile vietnamese are part of the nation regardless where we live, which passport color we possess.

Vietnam's remittances to hit $13-$14 bln in 2015-cbank| Reuters

 

[GS Zhou]

zhou, as for contribution to the motherland, or "tax payment" as you said, the exile Viets send back home a lot of money every year, this year expected to be $14 billion. if calculating money transfered direct non-bank to the families and relatives, the figure would be $20 billion. so pls don´t bash exile vietnamese. I believe the government oif Vietnam has no reasons to complain. more, the government policy is all exile vietnamese are part of the nation regardless where we live, which passport color we possess.

Vietnam's remittances to hit $13-$14 bln in 2015-cbank| Reuters

A great figure! Impressive!

 

[Mokaman]

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Send your zenophobic nationalism comment to other VN user that saying want to use artillery to bomb the Chinese cities or towns that close to the border.

If you read my posts carefully, the core messages I put here is more tax payment for a greater country and more hard work for a stronger domestic manufacturing industry. That's what written on the walls of my university.

Viet Nam will never attack China, the other is very likely. If PLA bomb Vietnamese factories, Airbases, infrastructures,ect. What make you think VPA long arty will not respond by bombing Chinese factories, infrastructures...? No country in this world would just let be bombarded and don't counterattack. So for you it's zenophobic nationalism if VPA bomb Chinese border to respond PLA attacks... You must think VPA are all low life with no honor with obsolete weapons and will just run as soon mighty PLA attacks, the whole +500k soldiers will just disband. And Viet NAm will just watch PLA bombs destroy factories, airbases...Because counterattacking is zenophobic nationalism... Great analysis, great propaganda

 

[Mokaman]

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Send your zenophobic nationalism comment to other VN user that saying want to use artillery to bomb the Chinese cities or towns that close to the border.

If you read my posts carefully, the core messages I put here is more tax payment for a greater country and more hard work for a stronger domestic manufacturing industry. That's what written on the walls of my university.

Are you going to call the Palestinians zenophobic nationalism too because when mighty Israeli army bomb their territory, the Palestinians will respond by doing cross border attacks and launching zero accuracy homemade missiles. Palestinians have no army and have basic weapons, and they still can do some small damages and drain a lot of Israeli resources to guard the border (and Palestinian can still send some rag tag sabotage teams), Now imagine a real army with good weapons and trained soldiers can do.

 

[Sasquatch]

@GS Zhou @Mokaman enough of this, it is turning into a Vietnam vs China thread. Go back to the topic.

 

[GS Zhou]

@GS Zhou @Mokaman enough of this, it is turning into a Vietnam vs China thread. Go back to the topic.

Ok, I will stop the response to @Mokaman

 

[Viet]

Interesting discussion anyway ...ha ha ha

returning to topic

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