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Bharat, Larsen & Toubro make joint bid for Vietnam's frigate upgrade
Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore - IHS Jane's Navy International
03 November 2015


Key Points
  • An Indian consortium is bidding to upgrade Vietnam's five Petya-class frigates
  • Upgrades aim to improve the ASW capabilities of the Soviet-era warships
An Indian consortium consisting of engineering firm Larsen & Toubro (L&T) and state-owned company Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) has submitted a bid to upgrade the People's Army of Vietnam (PAVN) Navy's five Petya (Project 159A/AE)-class frigates, an official from India's Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) confirmed with IHS Jane's on 4 November.

A major part of the upgrade work will be aimed at improving the platform's anti-submarine warfare (ASW) capabilities. "This includes a replacement of the vessel's hull-mounted sonar and anti-submarine weapons", said the DRDO representative.
Bharat, Larsen & Toubro make joint bid for Vietnam's frigate upgrade - IHS Jane's 360

i thought they wanna to decommissioned all of their Petya class
 
Bharat, Larsen & Toubro make joint bid for Vietnam's frigate upgrade
Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore - IHS Jane's Navy International
03 November 2015


Key Points
  • An Indian consortium is bidding to upgrade Vietnam's five Petya-class frigates
  • Upgrades aim to improve the ASW capabilities of the Soviet-era warships
An Indian consortium consisting of engineering firm Larsen & Toubro (L&T) and state-owned company Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) has submitted a bid to upgrade the People's Army of Vietnam (PAVN) Navy's five Petya (Project 159A/AE)-class frigates, an official from India's Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) confirmed with IHS Jane's on 4 November.

A major part of the upgrade work will be aimed at improving the platform's anti-submarine warfare (ASW) capabilities. "This includes a replacement of the vessel's hull-mounted sonar and anti-submarine weapons", said the DRDO representative.
Bharat, Larsen & Toubro make joint bid for Vietnam's frigate upgrade - IHS Jane's 360

i thought they wanna to decommissioned all of their Petya class
no way. I posted here news Japan donates decade old patrol ships that will serve in our navy in the decades to come. true, the Petya can be sent to retirement. but since we lack of surface warships, they will be refurbished and served until they fall down apart.

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Vietnam, Japan to hold the first ever joint naval exercise


Vietnam agreed on Friday to invite a Japanese warship to visit its strategic Cam Ranh Bay base on the South China Sea and for the two countries to hold their first ever joint naval exercise, Kyodo News reported.
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Japan's Defence Minister Gen Nakatani (R) reviews the guard of honour with his Vietnamese counterpart General Phung Quang Thanh at the Ministry of Defence in Hanoi, Vietnam November 6, 2015. REUTERS/Stringer

TOKYO: Vietnam agreed on Friday to invite a Japanese warship to visit its strategic Cam Ranh Bay base on the South China Sea and for the two countries to hold their first ever joint naval exercise, Kyodo News reported.

The agreement was reached during a meeting in Hanoi between Japanese Minister of Defence Gen Nakatani and his Vietnamese counterpart, Phung Quang Thanh, the news agency said.

The visit to the port, which is close to the disputed waters of the Spratly Islands where China is building bases on reclaimed islands, may further irritate China after a recent U.S. naval patrol close to the man-made outcrops prompted Chinese protests.

The United States defended the action as a freedom-of-navigation patrol.

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While Japan has avoided antagonizing China with similar operations, it is nonetheless forging security ties with Southeast Asia nations, particular Vietnam and the Philippines, that oppose China's ambitions in the South China Sea.

Vietnam has allowed vessels from other countries including the United States and Russia to dock in Cam Ranh Bay, but foreign visits to the facility, which is home to several of Vietnam's Russian-built Kilo-Class submarines, are rare.

Established as a base by the United States during the Vietnam War, Cam Ranh Bay was later used largely by Russian forces.

Chinese President Xi Jinping has also been visiting Vietnam this week.

(Reporting by Tim Kelly and Martin Petty; Editing by Robert Birsel)

Vietnam agrees to Japanese warship visit, naval exercise - Kyodo - Channel NewsAsia
 
I´m posting here an article from a Viet media reporting on the Japanese Army Chief to Vietnam. Pls use google or other translator as I´m a bit lazy now. In the Vietnam´s Army Headquarter, among other topics, Nakatani explained the new Japan Security Bill, allowing the expansion the role of Japan's armed forces. Interesting is the fact, we aren't Japan ally, so why he needs to explain the bill to us?


Bộ trưởng Quốc phòng Việt - Nhật bàn về Biển Đông - Tin tức Quân sự

Bộ trưởng Quốc phòng Nhật Bản kỳ vọng Việt Nam đóng vai trò quan trọng trong việc đảm bảo hoà bình và ổn định trong khu vực.

Sáng nay (6/11), tại trụ sở Bộ Quốc phòng, Bộ trưởng Phùng Quang Thanh đã chủ trì lễ đón và hội đàm với Bộ trưởng Quốc phòng Nhật Bản Nakatani Gen đang ở thăm chính thức Việt Nam.

Bộ trưởng Phùng Quang Thanh khẳng định chuyến thăm tăng cường hợp tác song phương, tin cậy giữa Bộ Quốc phòng hai nước.

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Theo Bộ trưởng, chuyến thăm là dịp 2 bên triển khai cụ thể hóa thỏa thuận của lãnh đạo cấp cao của 2 nhà nước, làm rõ thêm những nội hàm hợp tác quốc phòng.

Trong phần đáp từ, mở lời bằng tiếng Việt "Xin chào", Bộ trưởng Quốc phòng Nhật Bản Nakatani Gen bày tỏ vui mừng khi đến VN lần đầu tiên sau 2 năm với tư cách Bộ trưởng Bộ Quốc phòng Nhật Bản.

Ông kể lại chuyến thăm tới cảng Cam Ranh và thăm Học viện Hải quân VN hôm qua, được nghe giới thiệu về ý nghĩa, nhiệm vụ, đào tạo của Học viện. Thông qua đó ông được hiểu thêm nhiều về Hải quân VN.

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Bộ trưởng Quốc phòng Nhật Bản kỳ vọng thúc đẩy hợp tác quốc phòng giữa 2 nước, mong Việt Nam sẽ phát triển hơn nữa, đóng vai trò quan trọng trong việc đảm bảo hoà bình và ổn định trong khu vực.

Tăng cường đối thoại

Tại hội đàm, hai bên khẳng định tiếp tục nỗ lực để thực hiện "Bản ghi nhớ giữa Bộ Quốc phòng Việt Nam và Bộ quốc phòng Nhật Bản về hợp tác trao đổi quốc phòng song phương" cũng như thoả thuận tăng cường hợp tác trong lĩnh vực quốc phòng an ninh.

Đồng thời nhất trí tiếp tục tăng cường các chuyến thăm cấp cao và giao lưu các cấp, nâng cao hiệu quả các cơ chế đối thoại, tham vấn, thúc đẩy hợp tác trong lĩnh vực đào tạo, thực hiện có hiệu quả bản ghi nhớ hợp tác quốc phòng trong tham gia các hoạt động gìn giữ hoà bình của Liên hợp quốc, bảo đảm tự do, an toàn hàng hải, hàng không.

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Bên cạnh thúc đẩy hợp tác quốc phòng song phương, hai bên nhất trí tiếp tục hợp tác tích cực trong các vấn đề an ninh khu vực, phối hợp chặt chẽ trong khuôn khổ các tổ chức và diễn đàn quốc tế, nhất là hội nghị Bộ trưởng quốc phòng các nước ASEAN mở rộng (ADMM+).

Hai bên khẳng định hoà bình và ổn định trên biển là lợi ích chung của cả hai nước cũng như cộng đồng quốc tế. Hai Bộ trưởng cũng chia sẻ lập trường rằng lập trường tất cả các bên hữu quan cần tuân thủ luật pháp quốc tế, bao gồm công ước của Liên hợp quốc về Luật biển năm 1982.

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Kiềm chế phức tạp ở Biển Đông

Nhất trí về tầm quan trọng của việc tất cả các bên hữu quan duy trì an ninh, an toàn và tự do hàng hải, hàng không tại khu vực châu Á - Thái Bình Dương, tôn trọng độc lập, chủ quyền và lợi ích chính đáng của nhau.

Kiềm chế, không làm phức tạp thêm tình hình và giải quyết các tranh chấp bằng biện pháp hoà bình, phù hợp với luật pháp quốc tế, trong đó có công ước luật biển 1982, yêu cầu các bên liên quan thực hiện đầy đủ Tuyên bố về quy tắc ứng xử của các bên ở Biển Đông (DOC), tăng cường đối thoại và thương lượng để có thể sớm đạt được Bộ Quy tắc ứng xử của các bên tại Biêtn Đông (COC).

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Bộ trưởng Nakatani Gen cũng giới thiệu về luật An ninh mới của Nhật, giải thích bộ luật này nhằm củng cố hơn nữa con đường của một quốc gia hoà bình 70 năm sau chiến tranh của Nhật Bản gắn liền với việc tiến hành những hành động thực tiễn cụ thể dựa trên "Chủ nghĩa hòa bình tích cực" mà Nhật Bản khởi xướng.

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Bộ trưởng Phùng Quang Thanh hoan nghênh những đóng góp tích cực của Nhật Bản đối với hoà bình và phát triển thông qua những nỗ lực vì hoà bình, an ninh, hợp tác và phát triển ở khu vực và trên thế giới.
 
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Testing upgraded M113 amphibious ability , mostly useful in manouvering swampy ground in the South
 

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the fighter regiments of 929, 935, 937 and 940 are responsible for the Eastern Front: the South China Sea.

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Su-30 bombers flypast an island.
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Any news about Mig-21 replacement?

Also, I've notice that Vietnam investing a lot of money into Navy, Air Force and Air Defence. What about ground forces? Any major upgrading programs?
 
Telling you the truth: you are right, how can we fight against your superior aircraft and warships with our primitive rifles? Taking into consideration we even don't have enough rifles for the army. Vietnam is a hopeless case. It's the right time for you to start the war in the South China Sea, taking what you want. So what are you waiting for? Shall I send you an invitation today?

Stupid question.

The reason that China could become so strong today is not that we use our military force recklessly, but that we concentrate our mind on economic development and manufacturing industry modernization. A great military force is nothing but the byproduct of a prosperous economy plus a strong manufacturing sector. That is why I respond in this thread that, compared to posting the pictures on a foreign website, a patriotic Vietnamese should rather think of how to pay more taxes to government or contribute the best to help his country sharpen its manufacturing arm.

I guess maybe the largest difference between China and Vietnam is that we Chinese do not celebrate simply because we purchased one or two pieces of weapons from a foreign country. We didn't celebrate the imports of SU-27, because this is not an achievement of us, but an achievement of USSR/Russia; we left the celebration till the day we have our own J10, or J11; we didn't celebrate the imports of Sovremennyy-class destroyer, but left the celebration till the day we have our own 052C, or 052D; we didn't celebrate the imports of S300, but left the celebration till the day we have our own HQ-9, HQ-16, or HQ-19.

Come back to your question, although it is a stupid question indeed. We have our own agenda for taking the South China See back completely. It is not a question of "can, or can not", but a question of "when". So, no need for your to urge us, needless to say send us an invitation.
 
I respect your military service experience . Yes I don't have any real army experience, that's because the 1.4 billion population of China could offer PLA with sufficient manpower that all having much higher quality than me.

We have no interest on your land, so no need for you to scare me with the 90 million population of Vietnam.

Turn back to your infantry experience, how could it help in the potential air or sea battles between VN and CN in future? Can you use ur rifle to intercept the Chinese missile, or shot down a Chinese fighter, or sink a Chinese warship?

Let keep this discussion rational and polite. Infantry will never fight warships and vice versa. Tigers don't fight sharks. But infantry can surely win battles against jet fighters, equipped with MANPAD and some nice anti-aircraft weapons they can take down a lot of flying objects just ask the Soviets in Afghanistan. The Stingers change the dynamic and the course of that war and we all know the result. Fighter jets can do a lot damage but never win battles, you need boots on the ground.

I wrote 90 millions not to scare you but for you to do the math (you love numbers..:) ), we all know how much troop you need to occupy a country by the population...In case of VN, it's in millions of troop. China may not be interested of Viet Nam land but China surely want those islands in Spratley. PLA will probably be able to that a few but it will be costly. PLA need to control the sea and air space before landing the marines on those islands. I Think the VPA submarines & fast attack boats, coastal and AAA missiles can do a lot of damage to PLA.

If one day the PLA try to invade those islands, I think VPA with it large infantry navy (30 000) will try to invade 1-2 Chinese islands close to Viet Nam. With it large and competent commando units, VPA will certainly repeat the 1979 war, sending commando units inside China for sabotages and disrupt the supply lines...Until diplomatic negotiation for peace.

A couple things bug me about PLA, the 1st is with that huge flood of new and sophisticated weapons, how PLA will be good in real combat situation? 2nd is with one child policy (2 for countryside family), how long the Chinese society can support a war when dead bodies start to come back home?

Stupid question.

The reason that China could become so strong today is not that we use our military force recklessly, but that we concentrate our mind on economic development and manufacturing industry modernization. A great military force is nothing but the byproduct of a prosperous economy plus a strong manufacturing sector. That is why I respond in this thread that, compared to posting the pictures on a foreign website, a patriotic Vietnamese should rather think of how to pay more taxes to government or contribute the best to help his country sharpen its manufacturing arm.

I guess maybe the largest difference between China and Vietnam is that we Chinese do not celebrate simply because we purchased one or two pieces of weapons from a foreign country. We didn't celebrate the imports of SU-27, because this is not an achievement of us, but an achievement of USSR/Russia; we left the celebration till the day we have our own J10, or J11; we didn't celebrate the imports of Sovremennyy-class destroyer, but left the celebration till the day we have our own 052C, or 052D; we didn't celebrate the imports of S300, but left the celebration till the day we have our own HQ-9, HQ-16, or HQ-19.

Come back to your question, although it is a stupid question indeed. We have our own agenda for taking the South China See back completely. It is not a question of "can, or can not", but a question of "when". So, no need for your to urge us, needless to say send us an invitation.


China is a top superpower with a super economy, super population and super ambitions, so of course China need to produce their own weapons, buying from others countries make you look weak and make you vulnerable. Viet Nam is just a midsize country with a midsize economy with average ambitions. So what is wrong for a midsize country (who was just like China 20 years+ ago riding bicycles) buying sophisticated weapons with their own money (not donations by other superpower nations). Respect to China for buying sophisticated weapons those last 30 years, copy and upgrade them when China is capable. Viet Nam is just doing the same thing but we are just behind China +10 years (because we are not a superpower...), eventually Viet Nam will be capable to produce them later. So please, just put yourself into a midsize person (vietnamese) and you will understand why we celebrate those hightech purchases. So for calling a question stupid make your answer look stupid

Stupid question.

The reason that China could become so strong today is not that we use our military force recklessly, but that we concentrate our mind on economic development and manufacturing industry modernization. A great military force is nothing but the byproduct of a prosperous economy plus a strong manufacturing sector. That is why I respond in this thread that, compared to posting the pictures on a foreign website, a patriotic Vietnamese should rather think of how to pay more taxes to government or contribute the best to help his country sharpen its manufacturing arm.

I guess maybe the largest difference between China and Vietnam is that we Chinese do not celebrate simply because we purchased one or two pieces of weapons from a foreign country. We didn't celebrate the imports of SU-27, because this is not an achievement of us, but an achievement of USSR/Russia; we left the celebration till the day we have our own J10, or J11; we didn't celebrate the imports of Sovremennyy-class destroyer, but left the celebration till the day we have our own 052C, or 052D; we didn't celebrate the imports of S300, but left the celebration till the day we have our own HQ-9, HQ-16, or HQ-19.

Come back to your question, although it is a stupid question indeed. We have our own agenda for taking the South China See back completely. It is not a question of "can, or can not", but a question of "when". So, no need for your to urge us, needless to say send us an invitation.

Please stop thinking China can take the whole South China sea when she want, unless you put all the countries in the region on their knees. We are not in the 19th century with Empires and colonies. The cost for the Spratley is too costly and China can certainly take a piece here and there but not the whole cake.
 
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About Mig 21 , i think that all have been retired except the Bison variant . So far only infantry got some "update" (small , not really fast and permanent :v) mainly the introducing of Gali to certain units , Beside that and programs to upgrading APC engines (M113 , BRDM-2 , BTR-60 , etc) plus putting M101 105mm howitzer on truck , the navy and airforce got pretty much all the remaining budget :v
 
Let keep this discussion rational and polite. Infantry will never fight warships and vice versa. Tigers don't fight sharks. But infantry can surely win battles against jet fighters, equipped with MANPAD and some nice anti-aircraft weapons they can take down a lot of flying objects just ask the Soviets in Afghanistan. The Stingers change the dynamic and the course of that war and we all know the result. Fighter jets can do a lot damage but never win battles, you need boots on the ground.

I wrote 90 millions not to scare you but for you to do the math (you love numbers..:) ), we all know how much troop you need to occupy a country by the population...In case of VN, it's in millions of troop. China may not be interested of Viet Nam land but China surely want those islands in Spratley. PLA will probably be able to that a few but it will be costly. PLA need to control the sea and air space before landing the marines on those islands. I Think the VPA submarines & fast attack boats, coastal and AAA missiles can do a lot of damage to PLA.

If one day the PLA try to invade those islands, I think VPA with it large infantry navy (30 000) will try to invade 1-2 Chinese islands close to Viet Nam. With it large and competent commando units, VPA will certainly repeat the 1979 war, sending commando units inside China for sabotages and disrupt the supply lines...Until diplomatic negotiation for peace.

A couple things bug me about PLA, the 1st is with that huge flood of new and sophisticated weapons, how PLA will be good in real combat situation? 2nd is with one child policy (2 for countryside family), how long the Chinese society can support a war when dead bodies start to come back home?




China is a top superpower with a super economy, super population and super ambitions, so of course China need to produce their own weapons, buying from others countries make you look weak and make you vulnerable. Viet Nam is just a midsize country with a midsize economy with average ambitions. So what is wrong for a midsize country (who was just like China 20 years+ ago riding bicycles) buying sophisticated weapons with their own money (not donations by other superpower nations). Respect to China for buying sophisticated weapons those last 30 years, copy and upgrade them when China is capable. Viet Nam is just doing the same thing but we are just behind China +10 years (because we are not a superpower...), eventually Viet Nam will be capable to produce them later. So please, just put yourself into a midsize person (vietnamese) and you will understand why we celebrate those hightech purchases. So for calling a question stupid make your answer look stupid



Please stop thinking China can take the whole South China sea when she want, unless you put all the countries in the region on their knees. We are not in the 19th century with Empires and colonies. The cost for the Spratley is too costly and China can certainly take a piece here and there but not the whole cake.


Yes, I agree that let's make the conversation in a rational and polite way. I'll stop using the word like stupid, meanwhile, could you plz. urge other VN PDFer on this thread stop using the insult tone like "crawl back into the shitty hole that you called home"? Agree?


Thanks for the response. Let me make a quick summary of your long message:

  1. you believe the the infantry units could contribute to VN for a victory against China. The detailed approaches include: a) deploy a big amount of manpower on the islands to defend the attack; b) send a large infantry unit to attack 1 or 2 Chinese islands; c) shoot down the Chinese fighters via portable missiles; d) attack Yunnan or Guangxi of China
  2. you believe Vietnam will bring a big casualty to China, which will make the one-child society hard to bear
  3. you believe Vietnam is 10years behind China in terms of military industry capability, but Vietnam is now quickly catching up.

Now I will try to address each of the points that you put:
1-a: deploy a big amount of manpower on the islands to defend the attack.
I'm not sure about the exact size of the VN controlled islands in the South China Sea. But even the largest island that you controlled won't be larger than 1km2, or 1000m x 1000m. You could put as many soldiers as you want on the tiny island, but the problem here is:
- an ultra high infantry density will cause horrible casualty to Vietnam. Just imagine how many people a 250kg aerial bomb could kill if it hits a big crowds
- how could you feed these units in war time? All the necessary supplies, even water, needs to be shipped from the land to the islands. This won't be an issue in peaceful time. But now we are talking about war time, how could you guarantee the safety of your supply lines? You really think you could get the command of the sea in war time?

1-b: send a large infantry unit to attack 1 or 2 Chinese islands
this is again a question of command of the sea. Could you get it from the PLA Navy and the PLA Airforce?

1-c: shoot down the Chinese fighters via portable missiles
I don't deny the possibility fully. But the situation on the small islands is completely different to the USSR/Afghanistan war. The massive size of Afghanistan, as well as its mountainous terrain leaves USSR no other choice but to send its helicopters or fixed-wings planes to fly very low and make the attack within the visual range. The USSR pilots have no ideas where the threaten is, maybe from the bottom, or from the right side, or the left side, or even from the above (e.g. when the plane/helicopter is flying at the bottom of the canyon).

But this is completely not the case for a battle on a small island! We have plenty of long-range missiles to attack the island; the Chinese pilots also don't need to worry about a sudden attack from nowhere, all they need to focus is the small island (1000m x 1000m)!

1-d: attack Yunnan or Guangxi of China
I said on this thread again and again that we don't have any interests in the VN land. But that doesn't mean our ground units in Guangxi or Yunnan will be in vacation during the war time. They will be in full preparation for any land assaults from Vietnam. What I want to remind you is that, if the battle concentrates on the sea and the islands alone, this is still a regional conflict that within control. At least the VN cities could be in safety. But if any land assaults made by Vietnam, we will do an immediate revenge. Even Hanoi will be in extreme danger. We could only guarantee the safety of the tomb of Uncle Ho, because we respect him fully as we respect Mao.

2. You believe Vietnam will bring a big casualty to China, which will make the one-child society hard to bear
I don't expect a zero-death victory. That is impossible. But it doesn't mean Vietnam could make a big casualty to China. Could you get the command of the air? the command of the sea? If you don't have any, how could you make a big casualty to China?

One child policy brings us huge benefits, but also with many social problems. The affordability of war casualty is one of it. But that doesn't mean we thereof become vulnerable. In especially for a war that gaining back the islands or the sea that belonging to us!

BYW, it is too risky to place the victory bet on the so called "mentally vulnerable" of your opponent.

3. you believe Vietnam is 10years behind China in terms of military industry capability.
10 year gap means theoretically that Vietnam should be capable of the things we did in 2004 or 2005. We built our own 052C class destroyers in 2005. Do you mean that Vietnam is capable of this today? We built our own J10 in 1990s', so there must be many VN J10 in service now! Am I right? If J10 is still too complicated for you today, how about MIG21? We built J7 in 1960s', is Vietnam capable of making its own MIG21 today? Tell me your answer! Can, or cannot?

There is nothing more dangerous than underestimate your opponent, in particular it is a much stronger guy than you. But now I do have the feeling that some VN PDFers on this thread have such tendency. Some one said the defence spending ratio is China 10 vs Vietnam 1, but in fact it is 50 vs 1; now you said VN is 10 years behind China for military industry, but in fact it is at least 40 or 50 years gap. And the big spending of China is enlarging the gap constantly. Even if one day VN achieves China's capability today, how far China could go?

Finally, you couldn't stop me believe China could get back all the islands on the South China Sea. I believe this just like I believe Brazil could beat China easily in a football match. The capability gap is so huge! No matter how hard our football players perform, there won't be other outcome for a CN vs BR football game.

I know VN wants to beat us eagerly. There exists no short cut, but to work harder for more taxes payment and stronger domestic manufacturing industry!
 
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Stupid question.

The reason that China could become so strong today is not that we use our military force recklessly, but that we concentrate our mind on economic development and manufacturing industry modernization. A great military force is nothing but the byproduct of a prosperous economy plus a strong manufacturing sector. That is why I respond in this thread that, compared to posting the pictures on a foreign website, a patriotic Vietnamese should rather think of how to pay more taxes to government or contribute the best to help his country sharpen its manufacturing arm.

I guess maybe the largest difference between China and Vietnam is that we Chinese do not celebrate simply because we purchased one or two pieces of weapons from a foreign country. We didn't celebrate the imports of SU-27, because this is not an achievement of us, but an achievement of USSR/Russia; we left the celebration till the day we have our own J10, or J11; we didn't celebrate the imports of Sovremennyy-class destroyer, but left the celebration till the day we have our own 052C, or 052D; we didn't celebrate the imports of S300, but left the celebration till the day we have our own HQ-9, HQ-16, or HQ-19.

Come back to your question, although it is a stupid question indeed. We have our own agenda for taking the South China See back completely. It is not a question of "can, or can not", but a question of "when". So, no need for your to urge us, needless to say send us an invitation.
I´m afraid what you seek is not here in this thread.

if you look for modern destroyers, ICBM, warplanes or aircraft carriers you may go to Russia, US, India or China sections. this thread is not about Made in Vietnam weapons. it is about telling things how it is. what happens in the army and its relation to the world.

a patriotic Vietnamese should rather think of how to pay more taxes to government instead spending time on PDF?
I assume you are the exception. you spend time to promote CCP propaganda, a form of paying taxes?
 
I´m afraid what you seek is not here in this thread.

if you look for modern destroyers, ICBM, warplanes or aircraft carriers you may go to Russia, US, India or China sections. this thread is not about Made in Vietnam weapons. it is about telling things how it is. what happens in the army and its relation to the world.

a patriotic Vietnamese should rather think of how to pay more taxes to government instead spending time on PDF?
I assume you are the exception. you spend time to promote CCP propaganda, a form of paying taxes?

thanks for raising the tax question to me.

I'm a hard-working guy, therefore I could pay ~$ 2,000 taxes to the government every MONTH. That's why I always feel thrilled to see the military technology achievements of China. Because I contributed my personal part to it.

$ 2,000 tax a month is a tiny amount to China, but it is indeed the best that I could do for my country. I'm nothing but one out of 1.4 billion to my country. Therefore I'm very happy that I could do my part to my beloved China.

A great country is nothing but the sum of the hard work and tax payments of each of its individual citizens. Agree?
 
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thanks for raising the tax question to me.

I'm a hard-working guy, therefore I could pay ~$ 2,000 taxes to the government every MONTH. That's why I always feel thrilled to see the military technology achievements of China. Because I contributed my personal part to it.

$ 2,000 tax a month is a tiny amount to China, but it is indeed the best that I could do for my country. I'm nothing but one out of 1.4 billion to my country. Therefore I'm very happy that I could do my part to my beloved China.

A great country is nothing but the sum of the hard work and tax payments of each of its individual citizens. Agree?
China is proud of you.
 
this thread is not about Made in Vietnam weapons.

this thread is named as Vietnam Military News & Discussion, therefore I'm very surprised to see that an active member of this thread now told me this is not the right place to looking for information about made in Vietnam weapons.

Could you pls kindly direct me to the right thread? many many thanks!

China is proud of you.
Sure. I'm also very proud to be part of China.
 

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