Vietnam Defence Forum

[Viet]

Brotherhood bullshit. Last year both were short of an armed confrontation.

 

[Aqsuperman]

hey maybe that just some diplomatic speaking , what is the true motive lie deep down in each country policies

 

[dichoi]

Gen. Thanh think that VN-China should treat each other as 'brothers'....and he makes other generals feel so disapointed....
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This may explain why Defense Minister Phung Quang Thanh recently described China's violation of Vietnam's exclusive economic zone (EEZ) as just a small disagreement among "brothers". Speaking at the Shangri-La defense dialogue on May 31, General Thanh was reluctant to openly criticize Beijing, even as its naval forces were harassing Vietnamese coast guard and fishing vessels in the vicinity of an oil rig operated by state-owned China National Petroleum Corporation.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/SEA-01-200814.html

I think politburo members play the game "Kẻ đấm, người xoa".

 

[Viet]

the news is primarily business related, but the visit of the Airbus CEO to the government makes the thing more interesting: the discussion on military aircraft, building of maintenance facilities, and cooperation on aerospace.



Airbus Group pledges to support Vietnamese airlines: CEO
Thanh Nien News

HANOI - Thursday, July 02, 2015 11:26 Email Print

The all-new A350 XWB handed over to Vietnam Airlines

Airbus Group pledged to support Vietnamese air carriers in developing fleet and personnel, its CEO Thomas Enders said in a meeting with Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung on Wednesday.

Enders was in Vietnam to attend a ceremony for the hand-over of the all-new A350 XWB aircraft to the national flag carrier Vietnam Airlines at Hanoi’s Noi Bai International Airport the same day, Vietnam News Agency reported.

He said Vietnam is the first customer in Asia and the second in the world to order and operate these long-range, twin-engine wide-body airliners.

Airbus is willing to work with Vietnam in the areas of military airplanes and aerospace as well as building and operating aircraft maintenance, and repairing facilities, he added.

For his part, PM Dung spoke highly of cooperation between Airbus Group and Vietnamese airlines in recent years and urged Airbus to implement the contract of handing 10 A350 XWBs to Vietnam Airlines by 2019.

He suggested that both sides design long-term cooperation strategies where Airbus would further assist Vietnam in training personnel and developing technical infrastructure, including maintenance facilities and aircraft component factories.

Vietnam is willing to discuss and cooperate with Airbus in aerospace and military technology, especially transport aircrafts and defense equipments, he added.

On Tuesday, the A350-900 aircraft was delivered to global lessor AerCap on lease to Vietnam Airlines for operation on long haul routes in a special ceremony in Toulouse. The aircraft was delivered to the carrier the following day. Altogether, Vietnam Airlines is set to acquire 14 A350 XWBs, including 10 ordered from Airbus and four from lessors.

Vietnam Airlines will inaugurate commercial service with the A350 XWB on Friday, initially on the Hanoi-Ho Chi Minh domestic sector and on non-stop flights from Hanoi to Paris in late September and from HCMC to Paris in October.
The aircraft is configured with a premium three class layout, with 29 seats that convert to full flat beds in Business Class, 45 seats in Premium Economy and 231 in Economy. In addition to more personal space in all classes, the aircraft features the latest in-flight entertainment and connectivity systems throughout. Vietnam Airlines’ new A350 XWB will join an existing Airbus fleet of 59 aircraft flying with the carrier, comprising 49 A321s and 10 A330s.

The A350 XWB is Airbus’ all-new family of widebody aircraft that is shaping the future of medium- to long-haul airline operations. The "XWB" in the name means "extra wide body."

 

[Aqsuperman]

A Japan-supplied ship to our Coastguard , about 20-year-old but still pretty robust

 

[Viet]

why not negotiate to self produce the Gepards in our shipyards? not only we can build them faster and cheaper, but fit them with weapons we produce at home.

Vietnam, Russia closing in on deal for 2 Gepard-class frigates
12:39 July 3, 2015 RBTH

Vietnam and Russia are in the final stages of negotiation for the sale of two Gepard-class (Project 11661) light frigates, sources familiar with the matter told RBTH.

Vietnam has four such Russian-made light frigates, with two of them undergoing weapons fitting at the moment. A deal could be reached by the end of the month, the sources said.

The sources said the negotiations slowed down after China voiced its concerns over Russia supplying Vietnam with state of the art arsenal. China and Vietnam went to war in the 1970s and dispute certain islands in the South China Sea.

Moscow plans to overlook Beijing concern’s on Russia-Vietnam defense deals, the sources said.

Vietnam has four Russian-built Kilo class submarines and is expecting the delivery of two more. Vietnam is also looking to modernize its air force.


- Vietnam, Russia closing in on deal for 2 Gepard-class frigates | Russia Beyond The Headlines)

 

[Aqsuperman]

Two 12.7mm , perfectly for river patrol and lay surpressing fire

 

[Carlosa]

why not negotiate to self produce the Gepards in our shipyards? not only we can build them faster and cheaper, but fit them with weapons we produce at home.

Vietnam, Russia closing in on deal for 2 Gepard-class frigates
12:39 July 3, 2015 RBTH

Vietnam and Russia are in the final stages of negotiation for the sale of two Gepard-class (Project 11661) light frigates, sources familiar with the matter told RBTH.

Vietnam has four such Russian-made light frigates, with two of them undergoing weapons fitting at the moment. A deal could be reached by the end of the month, the sources said.

The sources said the negotiations slowed down after China voiced its concerns over Russia supplying Vietnam with state of the art arsenal. China and Vietnam went to war in the 1970s and dispute certain islands in the South China Sea.

Moscow plans to overlook Beijing concern’s on Russia-Vietnam defense deals, the sources said.

Vietnam has four Russian-built Kilo class submarines and is expecting the delivery of two more. Vietnam is also looking to modernize its air force.


- Vietnam, Russia closing in on deal for 2 Gepard-class frigates | Russia Beyond The Headlines)

The article says: "The sources said the negotiations slowed down after China voiced its concerns over Russia supplying Vietnam with state of the art arsenal."

This is what we were concerned about. This means that Russia is no longer a reliable and trusted ally. Need to go further in the direction of western, particularly Israeli weapon systems. Can't depend too much on Russia.

 

[Viet]

The article says: "The sources said the negotiations slowed down after China voiced its concerns over Russia supplying Vietnam with state of the art arsenal."

This is what we were concerned about. This means that Russia is no longer a reliable and trusted ally. Need to go further in the direction of western, particularly Israeli weapon systems. Can't depend too much on Russia.

that is much expected as the russians are in desperate modus seeking money and friendship from chinese capitalist. but nevertherless I think we should never give up russia. they are too much of strategic importance for us. and if there is anyone the chinese have most fear on the planet then that is the russian bear with some 10,000 nuclear bombs. close to china. delivery time: less than 15 minutes.

and of course, the klemlin knows that arming and supporting vietnam serves russian´s strategic interest in asia, too. that is a two way street. so if russia is wise she should not bow down to chinese demand, least blackmail.

 

[Echo_419]

that is much expected as the russians are in desperate modus seeking money and friendship from chinese capitalist. but nevertherless I think we should never give up russia. they are too much of strategic importance for us. and if there is anyone the chinese have most fear on the planet then that is the russian bear with some 10,000 nuclear bombs. close to china. delivery time: less than 15 minutes.

and of course, the klemlin knows that arming and supporting vietnam serves russian´s strategic interest in asia, too. that is a two way street. so if russia is wise she should not bow down to chinese demand, least blackmail.

Russia & Vietnam are old friends I am sure that these 2 great nations can form a partnership independent of China

 

[Viet]

Russia & Vietnam are old friends I am sure that these 2 great nations can form a partnership independent of China

that is very true, but the old glorious days are when USSR and Vietnam were close allies long over.

 

[Heinz Guderian]

that is much expected as the russians are in desperate modus seeking money and friendship from chinese capitalist. but nevertherless I think we should never give up russia. they are too much of strategic importance for us. and if there is anyone the chinese have most fear on the planet then that is the russian bear with some 10,000 nuclear bombs. close to china. delivery time: less than 15 minutes.

and of course, the klemlin knows that arming and supporting vietnam serves russian´s strategic interest in asia, too. that is a two way street. so if russia is wise she should not bow down to chinese demand, least blackmail.

Maybe you find this interesting.

Russian frigates left without engines prepared for transfer to India

 

[Echo_419]

that is very true, but the old glorious days are when USSR and Vietnam were close allies long over.

Indeed Russia is not as reliable as the USSR was

Maybe you find this interesting.

Russian frigates left without engines prepared for transfer to India

I would not comment till Indian side confirms this

 

[NiceGuy]

Russia & Vietnam are old friends I am sure that these 2 great nations can form a partnership independent of China

Im afraid that is very hard to form coz CN is big enough to delay the supply from Russia to VN like what they did in 1979.

So, we have no choice but to wait for the collapse of CN if we wanna form a partnership independent of China, and seems like its coming soon when CN stock got a hit hard recently

This event clearly shows that the Patriot, which was a useless piece of crap during the Iraq war, continues to be quite bad even after repeated upgrades. That's why Japan wants AEGIS Ashore.

US is only good at making jet fighter, other US weapon suck, just like M-16 suck when comparing wt AK-47, and thats why Colt went bankrupt.

Btw: We can't trust AEGIS system, too, Im sure that it wont work well in real hard war.

 

[Carlosa]

that is much expected as the russians are in desperate modus seeking money and friendship from chinese capitalist. but nevertherless I think we should never give up russia. they are too much of strategic importance for us. and if there is anyone the chinese have most fear on the planet then that is the russian bear with some 10,000 nuclear bombs. close to china. delivery time: less than 15 minutes.

and of course, the klemlin knows that arming and supporting vietnam serves russian´s strategic interest in asia, too. that is a two way street. so if russia is wise she should not bow down to chinese demand, least blackmail.

I agree with everything that you said, my point was to not depend on them TOO MUCH, that's all.

US is only good at making jet fighter, other US weapon suck, just like M-16 suck when comparing wt AK-47, and thats why Colt went bankrupt.

Btw: We can't trust AEGIS system, too, Im sure that it wont work well in real hard war.

They make good and bad things (and everything in between). If they offer something that VN can use, why not. F-16s would be nice. AEGIS for VN is not an option anyway. The Israelis are taking over the air defense role I think, they have a lot to offer.

So, we have no choice but to wait for the collapse of CN if we wanna form a partnership independent of China, and seems like its coming soon when CN stock got a hit hard recently

The chinese stock market collapse is just the first step, they have a few big holes in their economy, it only takes something else to trigger a chain reaction and bye bye chinese economy. Its just a matter of time.