Vietnam Defence Forum

[kangaroo]

it is indeed on page 33.
@Carlosa: ofcourse i can reveal the pandora box. have you looked for info from my hint?
btw, any thing you want me to look into? i got access to most databases from uni library

 

[William Hung]

The comcom source said that the redut vls is used for the 9M96E missile; that missile is part of the S-300 / 400 system, but I'm not aware of a naval system using just that missile, it might be a new development. The 9M96E is a medium range missile (40 km), flying altitude is 20 km.

The location for the reduct vls in the Gepard is where the Palma is in the first batch of Gepards.

Hmmm I still have my doubts about that. The Gepard model with VLS has a different bridge design that leaves alot of space between the bridge and the AK-176. The current 4 Viet Gepards leaves little space in that area for a VLS, especially a 16 cell VLS. It won't be long until we find out.

it is indeed on page 33.
@Carlosa: ofcourse i can reveal the pandora box. have you looked for info from my hint?
btw, any thing you want me to look into? i got access to most databases from uni library

No, don't spill the beans. It will be yearsss to get it running so better have some fun and leave it a mystery.

BTW, do you have access to "Infiniti Research Group"?

 

[kangaroo]

Hmmm I still have my doubts about that. The Gepard model with VLS has a different bridge design that leaves alot of space between the bridge and the AK-176. The current 4 Viet Gepards leaves little space in that area for a VLS, especially a 16 cell VLS. It won't be long until we find out.



No, don't spill the beans. It will be yearsss to get it running so better have some fun and leave it a mystery.

BTW, do you have access to "Infiniti Research Group"?

any particular articles? can you hive me title?

 

[William Hung]

any particular articles? can you hive me title?

Awesome!!!!!!!!! I don't have access to their reports (which database are they on?)

I may ask you for some info from their reports in the future. I'm still on summer break right now.

BTW, infiniti Research also publish reports on the military industry. Maybe, when you have time, you can cross check on the tanks and ships we've discussed in this thread.

 

[Viet]

is the mystery weapon a new long range balistic missile, 1,000km?
I saw a picture recently on a viet military thread, comcom, I believe.

 

[Viet]

it is indeed on page 33.
@Carlosa: ofcourse i can reveal the pandora box. have you looked for info from my hint?
btw, any thing you want me to look into? i got access to most databases from uni library

come on my friend, pls reveal the info. we can discuss about it. what is it, the mystery toy?

 

[Viet]

@Viet The source at comcom replied to me that the reason for the $350 million for the Gepard is that it has a Reduct VLS system. The Reduct VLS can be used with the KH-35 and other missiles; its a 16 cell system. I'm trying to find out what missile gets used there.

There is a possibility that the Gepards carry the Kinzhai missiles for air defense (naval version of the Tor).

okie, I will try to find out what is going behind the public announcements. a lot of things make no sense. for instance, considering our vietnam relatively small GDP output, we can't afford such a defence spending.

 

[kaku1]

OK I will try to get someone you trust to confirm this report about T-72 and Indian T-90s:

@Nihonjin1051 bro, do you have access to BMI (business monitor international) reports? (they should be available from your University's online database). If you do, can you please check out the "Vietnam defence & Security Report Q1 2015" and confirm to our dear @madokafc that the report does mention the 480 T-72 and Indian T-90s obtained by VietNam?

Thanks mate.

Possibly its not T-72, but an Advanced Tank-Ex. The T-72 chassis and Arjun turret with BEL and israeli electronics, that is the DRDO providing medium term solution for light tank to IA before FMBT.

Or a new Tank Ex is in development which take the base of T-90, but total Indian solution. No, license production from Russia.

But one thing, India is development going on for Rifled gun and not Smoothbore, and by 2025 IA standardize that. If you want to going to standardize Rifled gun instead of smoothbore. Then I think only India and UK making the R&D in this arena, you become total dependent on India for that like for CLGM.

 

[kangaroo]

Awesome!!!!!!!!! I don't have access to their reports (which database are they on?)

I may ask you for some info from their reports in the future. I'm still on summer break right now.

BTW, infiniti Research also publish reports on the military industry. Maybe, when you have time, you can cross check on the tanks and ships we've discussed in this thread.

i did a brief search and it seems my database has access to those infiniti research reports. but you have to give me a specific title you want to look for as its a very broad database. i will look into the tanks and ships when i have some free time.

is the mystery weapon a new long range balistic missile, 1,000km?
I saw a picture recently on a viet military thread, comcom, I believe.

it is not. this thing has been rumoured for a very long time to be in vietnam's possession, probably started in the early 90s. i give you a hint: Long Binh

 

[Viet]

kangaroo, I have no clue. come on, tell me what is it. blackflag is banned. instead of revealing the info about, he trolled the chinese.

I don´t understand you, either. this thread is about news & discussion about VN military. if you know something, you are encouraged to share with others. Why is the point of hiding it? you give a hint? you are not a quiz master, and we are not here on a quiz show. the bmi report is public.

 

[Carlosa]

kangaroo, I have no clue. come on, tell me what is it. blackflag is banned. instead of revealing the info about, he trolled the chinese.

I don´t understand you, either. this thread is about news & discussion about VN military. if you know something, you are encouraged to share with others. Why is the point of hiding it? you give a hint? you are not a quiz master, and we are not here on a quiz show. the bmi report is public.

Now a Russian source is also talking about VN having 480 T-72 tanks.

Vietnam’s Russian Restocking: Subs, Ships, Sukhois, and More

Jan 10/14: Tanks. Vietnam is reportedly investigating the possibility of upgrading at least some of their existing fleet of about 480 T-72 main battle tanks, and buying T-90s to begin replacing their force of almost 1,000 elderly T-55s. Due diligence has reportedly been done with India’s T-90s, which also face the ravages of hot climates.

The problem is cost. T-72 upgrades can be sourced from a number of countries besides Russia, but top of the line new tanks are costly. If new armored personnel carriers also have to be bought for Vietnam’s armored formations, the entire project gets very expensive very quickly. On the other hand, defeats on land are very, very expensive when you have a large and aggressive neighbor on your border, and a long history of animosity. Tanks may not be the whole answer, but Vietnam will have to spend money to upgrade its land forces in some way.

it is indeed on page 33.
@Carlosa: ofcourse i can reveal the pandora box. have you looked for info from my hint?
btw, any thing you want me to look into? i got access to most databases from uni library

Please reveal Pandora's box. Was not able to find anything that makes sense from your hint. Lets see what page 33 reveals.

 

[Thao Nguyen]

i did a brief search and it seems my database has access to those infiniti research reports. but you have to give me a specific title you want to look for as its a very broad database. i will look into the tanks and ships when i have some free time.


it is not. this thing has been rumoured for a very long time to be in vietnam's possession, probably started in the early 90s. i give you a hint: Long Binh

there are many rumor about Long Binh, mostly about nuke bombs (may be 3) (name " broken arrow- mũi tên gãy"), but nobody know they are exist, mostly news is we open all of them and get a lot of normal weapon
I don't think it exist

 

[Water Car Engineer]

@Carlosa @Black Flag

https://twitter.com/x/status/553763960088838145

https://twitter.com/x/status/553765909848784897

Hey guys, this is a reliable source. He's a journalist who cover a lot of Indian related stuff, and gave many exclusive info, images. He says it's OPVs, not aware of any OPVs made by them.

 

[Carlosa]

@Carlosa @Black Flag

https://twitter.com/x/status/553763960088838145

https://twitter.com/x/status/553765909848784897

Hey guys, this is a reliable source. He's a journalist who cover a lot of Indian related stuff, and gave many exclusive info, images. He says it's OPVs, not aware of any OPVs made by them.

Thank you, we've been hearing that the ship is a 35-37 meter patrol boat. Quite small actually, not sure what the purpose of it would be.

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@Viet @Black Flag This chart was posted at the MP forum, it shows weapon purchases, the interesting new stuff here is the Aster 30 air defense missile (120 km range), but for what ship? And also 2 Holland class OPV's. The Holland OPV is supposed to be a low end ship with no missiles systems, but it has a nice integrated radar mast. The BMI reports mentions that VN is negotiating helo purchases with France, it should be the NH-90 for the Holland OPV's. That's a nice OPV at 3750 tons, 108 meters x 16m. The price is not bad at $250 million for 2 ships.

According to the chart, the Sigma ships price at 660 million for 2 ships includes 32 Exocet missiles and 48 MICA missiles, that would explain the high price of the ship. The exocet is 5 million and the Mica is 3 million each.

The Guarani wheeled 6x6 APC is nice. Made by Brasil under license from Iveco (Italy).

Holland class OPV

 

[Triumfvn]

Thank you, we've been hearing that the ship is a 35-37 meter patrol boat. Quite small actually, not sure what the purpose of it would be.

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@Viet @Black Flag This chart was posted at the MP forum, it shows weapon purchases, the interesting new stuff here is the Aster 30 air defense missile (120 km range), but for what ship? And also 2 Holland class OPV's. The Holland OPV is supposed to be a low end ship with no missiles systems, but it has a nice integrated radar mast. The BMI reports mentions that VN is negotiating helo purchases with France, it should be the NH-90 for the Holland OPV's. That's a nice OPV at 3750 tons, 108 meters x 16m. The price is not bad at $250 million for 2 ships.

According to the chart, the Sigma ships price at 660 million for 2 ships includes 32 Exocet missiles and 48 MICA missiles, that would explain the high price of the ship. The exocet is 5 million and the Mica is 3 million each.

The Guarani wheeled 6x6 APC is nice. Made by Brasil under license from Iveco (Italy).

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How do you think about the list below? May be the same to your list, but plus Type 26 Global Combat Ship from UK!
Brazil
Recipient: Viet Nam
360 VBTP Guarani APC (2014) VBTP-MR 6x6 version, delivery probably 2017-2020

Canada
Recipient: : Viet Nam 6 DHC-6 Twin Otter Transport aircraft 2010 2012-2014 6 DHC-6-400 version; incl for MP

Czech Republic
5 Su-22/Fitter-H/J/K FGA aircraft (2004) 2005 (5) Second-hand but modernized in Ukraine (for anti-ship operations) before delivery

4 Vera-E Air search system (2012) 2013-2014 (4) Vera-NG version

France
2 EC-225/EC-725 Helicopter (2009) 2011 2 EC-225LP version; for SAR

3 CASA C-295 Transport aircraft (2013) 2014 1 C-295M transport version, delivery 2014-2015

3 CASA C-212 Transport aircraft (2010) 2011-2012 3 C-212 series 400 version

2 SAM-P/T SAM system (2014) Part of $700m deal, delivery probably 2018-2019, status uncertian

96 Aster-30 SAM (2014) Part of $700m deal, delivery probably 2017-2018, status uncertian, probably Aster-30 Block 1

32 Exocet MM-40 Anti-ship missile (2014) Part of $660m deal, delivery probably 2017-2018, status uncertian, probably Exocet Block III version for Sigma-9814. Option on 32 more

48 VL Mica SAM (2014) Part of $660m deal, delivery probably 2017-2018, status uncertian, probably VL Mica-M SAM version for Sigma-9814. Option on 48 more

Germany (FRG)

R: Viet Nam
4 MTU-8000 Diesel engine (1996) 2001-2005 4 For 2 BPS-500 FAC from Russia; designation uncertain

6 AJAS-500 ECM system (2009) 2011-2012 6 Active VHF/UHF Jamming systems 100 - 500 MHz with 500 W

6 AJAS-1000 ECM system (2012) 2014 6 Active VHF/UHF Jamming system 100 - 1,000 MHz with 1,000 W

Israel

R: Viet Nam
(150) RAM APV (2006) 2006-2009 (149) For police; RAM-2000 version

1 EL/M-2088 AD-STAR Air search radar 2012 2013 (1) Probably $33 m deal, EL/M-2088ER version

5 EL/M-2088 AD-STAR Air search radar 2013 2014 (2) Probably $150 m deal, EL/M-2088ER version, delivery 2014-2015

2 Extra MLRS system 2010 2011-2012 (2)

2 Accular MLRS system 2011 2012-2013 (2)

2 Orbiter-2 UAV 2011 2012 (2)

License: Viet Nam
100,000 Galil ACE-31/32 Assault Riffle (2012) 2014 (2,000) $170m deal

24 Spyder SAM system (2014) Spyder-SR/Spyder-MR versions; Vietnamese designation TL-2, delivery 2016-2021, probably incl 21 produced in Viet Nam; selected but contract not yet signed

Netherlands

License: Viet Nam
2 SIGMA-9814 Frigate (2014) Part of $660m, SIGMA-9814 version; delivery 2017-2018, probably incl 1 produced in Viet Nam;

Poland

R: Viet Nam 2 M-28B Bryza-1R MP aircraft 2003 2005 2 For coast guard; delivered without MP system (still to be ordered); option on 8 more

Romania

R: Viet Nam
Iak-52 Trainer aircraft 2008 2009-2011 (10)

License: Viet Nam
24 Iak-52 Trainer aircraft 2014 Assembled from kits in Viet Nam; delivery 2016-2018. Option on 24 more

Russia

License: Viet Nam
(2) BPS-500/Type-1241A FAC 1996 2001-2005 (2) Assembled from kits in Viet Nam; Vietnamese designation Ho-A; status of second uncertain

(10) Project-1241/Tarantul FAC (2004) 2008-2014 4 Project-1241.8 (Tarantul-5) version; incl 8 produced in Viet Nam; delivery 2008-2016

800 Igla-S/SA-16 Gimlet Portable SAM 2005 2012-2014 (150) Assembled from kits in Viet Nam; Vietnamese designation TL-1; status of second uncertain

R: Viet Nam
400 Igla-1/SA-16 Gimlet Portable SAM (1996) 1999-2014 (400) SA-N-10 version for BPS-500 (Ho-A) and Project-10412 (Svetlyak) patrol craft and probably Project-1241 (Tarantul) FAC

(30) Kh-35 Uran/SS-N-25 Anti-ship missile (1996) 2001-2005 (30) For BPS-500 (Ho-A) FAC

(75) 48N6/SA-10D Grumble SAM 2003 2005-2006 (75) Part of $200-380 m deal

2 S-300PMU-1/SA-20A SAM system 2003 2005 2 Part of $200-380 m deal

(400) Kh-35 Uran/SS-N-25 Anti-ship missile 2004 2008-2013 (133) For Project-11661 (Gepard) frigates and Project-1241 (Tarantul) FAC

(200) 9M311/SA-19 Grison SAM (2006) 2011 (200) For Kashtan CIWS on 2 Gepard frigates

2 Gepard-3 Frigate 2006 2011 2 Part of $300 m deal; Vietnamese designation Dinh Tien Hoang

(2) K-300P Bastion-P Coast defence system 2007 2009-2011 (2) Part of $300 m deal

4 Project-10412/Svetlyak Patrol craft 2007 2011-2012 4

2 Project-10412/Svetlyak Patrol craft (2007) 2012 2

(40) Yakhont/SS-N-26 Anti-ship missile 2007 2009-2011 (40) Part of $300 m deal; for Bastion coastal defence system

(78) 3M-54 Klub/SS-N-27 Anti-ship MI/SSM (2009) 2013-2014 (26) For Project-636 (Kilo) submarines

(80) 53-65 AS torpedo (2009) 2013 (15) For Project-636 (Kilo) submarines

200 KAB-500/1500 Guided Bomb (2009) 2011-2012 (200)

80 Kh-31A1/AS-17 Anti-ship missile/ARM (2009) 2011-2012 (80) For Su-30MK2 combat aircraft; incl Kh-31P anti-radar version

6 Project-636E/Kilo Submarine 2009 2014 2 $1.8-2.1 b deal; Project-636.1M version; Vietnamese designation Ha Noi; delivery 2013-2016

(250) R-73/AA-11 Archer SRAAM (2009) 2010-2012 (250) For Su-30MK2 combat aircraft

8 Su-30MK/Flanker FGA aircraft 2009 2010-2011 8 $400-500 m deal; Su-30MK2V version

80 RVV-AE/AA-12 Adder BVRAAM (2010) 2012 (80) For Su-30MK2 combat aircraft

80 TEST-71 AS/ASW torpedo (2009) 2013 (15) For Project-636 (Kilo) submarines

12 Su-30MK/Flanker FGA aircraft 2010 2011-2012 12 $1 b deal; Su-30MK2V version

150 R-73/AA-11 Archer SRAAM (2013) 2014 (50) For Su-30MK2 combat aircraft, delivery 2014-2015

50 Kh-59ME/AS-18 Kazoo ASM (2012) 2014 (10) For Su-30MK2 combat aircraft, delivery 2014-2015

2 Gepard-3 Frigate 2012

2 Gepard-3 Frigate (2014) Selected but contract not yet signed by the end 2014, delivery probably 2018-2019

12 Su-30MK/Flanker FGA aircraft 2013 Part of $600 m deal; Su-30MK2 version; delivery 2014-2015

6 Yak-130 Tranning aircraft 2013 $100 m deal; Yak-130UBS version; delivery 2016-2017

80 RVV-AE/AA-12 Adder BVRAAM (2013) 2014 (20) Part of $600 m deal; Su-30MK2 version; delivery 2014-2015, for Su-30MK2 combat aircraft,

40 Kh-31A2/AS-17 Anti-ship missile/ARM (2013) 2011-2012 (80) For Su-30MK2 combat aircraft; incl Kh-31PD anti-radar version

40 Kh-58/AS-11 Kilter ASM (2013) 2014 (10) For Su-30MK2 combat aircraft, Kh-58UShKE version, delivery 2014-2015

100 KAB-500/1500 Guided Bomb (2013) 2014 (20) Part of $600 m deal, For Su-30MK2 combat aircraft

200 9M317/SA-17 SAM (2012) Part of $400m deal, delivery probably 2015-2016

6 9K40 Buk/SA-17 SAM system (2012) Part of $400m deal, Buk-M2E track version, delivery probably 2015-2016

75 48N6E2/SA-10E SAM (2012) Part of $250m deal, delivery probably 2015-2016, status uncertain

2 S-300PMU2/SA-20B SAM system (2012) Part of $250m deal, delivery probably 2015-2016, status uncertain

75 9M82M/SA-23 SAM (2014) Part of $450m deal, delivery probably 2017-2018, status uncertain

75 9M83M/SA-23 SAM (2014) Part of $450m deal, delivery probably 2017-2018, status uncertain

2 S-300VM/SA-23 SAM system (2014) Part of $450m deal, S-300V4 version, delivery probably 2017-2018, status uncertain

300 57E6E/SA-22 SAM (2013) 2014 (72) Part of $300m deal, delivery probably 2014-2016, status uncertain

12 96K9 Pantsir-S1/SA-22 Mobile AD system (2012) 2014 (3) Part of $300m deal, delivery probably 2014-2016, status uncertain

2 Nebo-M Air search system (2014) Selected but contract not yet signed by the end 2014, delivery probably 2017-2018

6 BM-30 Smerch MLRS system 2013 2014 (2) Part of $1000m deal, Delivery 2014-2015

186 T-72 MBT 2013 2014 (31) Part of $1000m deal, T-72B3 version, delivery probably 2014-2017

93 T-90 MBT 2013 2014 (31) Part of $1000m deal, T-90MS version, delivery probably 2014-2016

200 BTR-82A APC 2014 Part of $300m deal, Delivery probably 2016-2019

60 BMP-3 IFV 2014 Part of $300m deal, Selected but contract not yet signed by the end 2014, delivery probably 2016-2017

350 9M133/AT-14 Anti-tank missile 2014 Selected but contract not yet signed by the end 2014, delivery probably 2017-2019

3 9K720 Iskander-E /SS-26 SSM 2012 $500m deal, delivery probably 2015-2019

1 K-300P Bastion-P Coast defence system 2014 Selected but contract not yet signed by the end 2014, delivery probably 2016-2017

40 Yakhont/SS-N-26 Anti-ship missile 2014 Selected but contract not yet signed by the end 2014, delivery probably 2016-2017

4 1L269 Krasuha-2 ECM system 2014 Jamming system, delivery probably 2015-2016

4 1RL257 Krasuha-4 ECM system 2014 Jamming system, delivery probably 2016-2017

UK
4 Global Combat Ship Type 26 Frigate (2014) Selected but contract not yet signed by the end 2014, delivery probably 2019-2022
Ukraine

R: Viet Nam
(20) DR-76 Gas turbine (2004) 2008-2014 12 For 10 Project-1241 (Tarantul) FAC from Russia

(20) DR-77 Gas turbine (2004) 2008-2014 12 For 10 Project-1241 (Tarantul) FAC from Russia

(8) Su-22/Fitter-H/J/K FGA aircraft (2004) 2005-2006 (8) Second-handrainian

4 DT-59 Gas turbine (2006) 2011 4 For 2 Gepard frigates from Russia

4 Kolchuga-M Air search system (2009) 2012-2013 (4) $54 m deal

10 36D6M1-2 Air search system (2010) 2012-2013 (10) May be 12 systems delivered

4 80K6M Air search system (2014) Selected but contract not yet signed by the end 2014, delivery probably 2017-2018

4 DT-59 Gas turbine (2012) For 2 Gepard frigates from Russia, delivery probably 2015

4 DT-59 Gas turbine (2014) For 2 Gepard frigates from Russia, delivery probably 2017-2018