Vietnam Defence Forum

[Viet]

Is Philippine your friends? Haha....

yes, we played volleyball and drunk beer at the last encounter in the south china sea.
Philippine, Vietnamese troops drink beer, play volleyball on disputed isle | KhmerTimes | News Portal Cambodia |

These fighters will also be shot down at the first time...
So it make no sense to send anti-submarine aircraft that are more easier to shoot down...

if people folllow your logic, we should do nothing because everything we send out can be shot down by the mighty dragon

 

[Carlosa]

the article says Lockheed P-3 Orion could be the first item the US exports to Vietnam. Do you think the aircraft is sophisticated enough for sub hunting in the south china sea or do we need the new modern Boeing P-8 Poseidon?

besides, the US wants to sell the aircaft with no weapons onboard, unarmed. So the capacity is pretty much limited.

Actually, I don't know why Vietnam is so fixated on the P-3C Orion. Its a second hand aircraft, the technology is old now, so it needs to be upgraded. It makes more sense in my opinion to buy the C-295 MPA / ASW from Airbus. Airbus also does the upgrades for the P-3C Orion and its the same equipment that they install on the C-295 MPA / ASW, better buy a new aircraft that already comes ready to go and with weapons (6 pylons for anti ship missiles and or torpedoes.

Forget about the P-8 Poseidon, not only is very expensive, but many things in it don't work, they are working on trying to fix it. Its one of those situations with new american equipment that is very advanced and it has a lot issues ala F-35 style. A white elephant at this point.

Why Vietnam need these anti-submarine aircraft?
If any conflict with China, these planes can hardly survive.
And other southeast Asia countries don`t have submarine in south China sea..

Why china keeps building warships? US submarines will sink the whole chinese fleet in a couple of days (at most) if war stars (which is probably just a matter of time?)

And other southeast Asia countries don`t have submarine in south China sea..

You don't seem to be aware that Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia have submarines.

 

[BoQ77]

anti sub aircrafts are for tracking illegal activities of Chinese subs in our sea.

 

[Viet]

Actually, I don't know why Vietnam is so fixated on the P-3C Orion. Its a second hand aircraft, the technology is old now, so it needs to be upgraded. It makes more sense in my opinion to buy the C-295 MPA / ASW from Airbus. Airbus also does the upgrades for the P-3C Orion and its the same equipment that they install on the C-295 MPA / ASW, better buy a new aircraft that already comes ready to go and with weapons (6 pylons for anti ship missiles and or torpedoes.

Forget about the P-8 Poseidon, not only is very expensive, but many things in it don't work, they are working on trying to fix it. Its one of those situations with new american equipment that is very advanced and it has a lot issues ala F-35 style. A white elephant at this point..

I am not sure, but perhaps VN considers P-3 aircraft is a proven ASW tool, while C-295 not. Or we will buy the Airbus aircraft later with ASW and Airborne early warning. That would give us a boost in our defence. the 3 of C-295 airlifter version will come early next year 2015.

 

[Carlosa]

I am not sure, but perhaps VN considers P-3 aircraft is a proven ASW tool, while C-295 not. Or we will buy the Airbus aircraft later with ASW and Airborne early warning. That would give us a boost in our defence. the 3 of C-295 airlifter version will come early next year 2015.

Yes, the P-3C Orion its definitely a very proven platform and there is a political aspect to it probably as it is one way to deepen the relationship with USA. Weapons can be added later, after the upgrade anyway.

Also, a few days ago while researching about the C-235 MPA that Indonesia is getting, I bumped into an article that said that Vietnam is negotiating to buy it. The C-235 MPA has a very similar suite as the C-295 MPA and can also have the ASW system. The plane can carry missiles and torpedoes, so maybe VN is playing 2 horses at the same time.

If VN were to go with those 2 planes, then VN would have an interesting 3 layer system for marine patrol:
Small MPA aircraft: C-212 and DHC-6
Medium MPA aircraft: C-235 MPA
Large MPA aircraft: P-3C Orion

Not a bad set up at all.

 

[Viet]

Yes, the P-3C Orion its definitely a very proven platform and there is a political aspect to it probably as it is one way to deepen the relationship with USA. Weapons can be added later, after the upgrade anyway.

Also, a few days ago while researching about the C-235 MPA that Indonesia is getting, I bumped into an article that said that Vietnam is negotiating to buy it. The C-235 MPA has a very similar suite as the C-295 MPA and can also have the ASW system. The plane can carry missiles and torpedoes, so maybe VN is playing 2 horses at the same time.

If VN were to go with those 2 planes, then VN would have an interesting 3 layer system for marine patrol:
Small MPA aircraft: C-212 and DHC-6
Medium MPA aircraft: C-235 MPA
Large MPA aircraft: P-3C Orion

Not a bad set up at all.

interesting news with buying patrol aircraft from Indonesia, will be the first time ever then if happens

 

[Carlosa]

interesting news with buying patrol aircraft from Indonesia, will be the first time ever then if happens

The C-235 MPA is a coproduction between Indonesia and Airbus. Indonesia makes the ones for Asia and Airbus makes the ones for Europe, etc.

 

[hans]

Vietnam need air defense missile to protect themselves..
These anti-submarine and ASW can hardly survive too long if any war...

Are you kidding with US submarine?
China will avoid operation outside first island chain.
And within first island chain where China can seize the air control, these submarine is not hard to hunt...
Just like the Vietnam submarine, once shoot, the submarine will be found and sink..

Actually, I don't know why Vietnam is so fixated on the P-3C Orion. Its a second hand aircraft, the technology is old now, so it needs to be upgraded. It makes more sense in my opinion to buy the C-295 MPA / ASW from Airbus. Airbus also does the upgrades for the P-3C Orion and its the same equipment that they install on the C-295 MPA / ASW, better buy a new aircraft that already comes ready to go and with weapons (6 pylons for anti ship missiles and or torpedoes.

Forget about the P-8 Poseidon, not only is very expensive, but many things in it don't work, they are working on trying to fix it. Its one of those situations with new american equipment that is very advanced and it has a lot issues ala F-35 style. A white elephant at this point.



Why china keeps building warships? US submarines will sink the whole chinese fleet in a couple of days (at most) if war stars (which is probably just a matter of time?)



You don't seem to be aware that Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia have submarines.

You take the nearby island from these Philippine guys in the 1970s...
And you both claim the island under others`s control...

Frankly the Vietnam is too weak comparing with China..
The only trouble Vietnam can make to China, should be buy more air defense missile and deploy on the south Vietnam..
Avoid conflict in north part of south China sea and take the advantage of physical distance in south part of south China sea.
Could be some trouble to China

yes, we played volleyball and drunk beer at the last encounter in the south china sea.

if people folllow your logic, we should do nothing because everything we send out can be shot down by the mighty dragon

 

[Viet]

The C-235 MPA is a coproduction between Indonesia and Airbus. Indonesia makes the ones for Asia and Airbus makes the ones for Europe, etc.

appears Indo makes a good job

Vietnam need air defense missile to protect themselves..
These anti-submarine and ASW can hardly survive too long if any war...

Are you kidding with US submarine?
China will avoid operation outside first island chain.
And within first island chain where China can seize the air control, these submarine is not hard to hunt...
Just like the Vietnam submarine, once shoot, the submarine will be found and sink..



You take the nearby island from these Philippine guys in the 1970s...
And you both claim the island under others`s control...

Frankly the Vietnam is too weak comparing with China..
The only trouble Vietnam can make to China, should be buy more air defense missile and deploy on the south Vietnam..
Avoid conflict in north part of south China sea and take the advantage of physical distance in south part of south China sea.
Could be some trouble to China

you speak as if you are a military superpower now. in reality the PLA is untested. still.

 

[Viet]

port visit to Saigon:
HMAS Larrakia - Armidale class patrol boat of the Royal Australian Navy

 

[Viet]

old but still good

P-35 Shaddock at Brigade 679: weight 7t, speed 0.9 mach, range 550km, armed with either a 1,000 kg high explosive or a 350 kt nuclear warhead.

Khám phá: Tên lửa "khủng" như tên lửa hạt nhân của Việt Nam

 

[Viet]

Cam Ranh bay

 

[Viet]

female police and army officers

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

appears Indo makes a good job


you speak as if you are a military superpower now. in reality the PLA is untested. still.

China will have 10 Aegis DDGs and 10 fast-attack nuclear subs deployed in the SCS, and not forget the additional 20 AIP subs.

Vietnam's navy is too weak and small in comparison, while your training quality/efficiency is also nowhere as good as China's.

 

[Viet]

China will have 10 Aegis DDGs and 10 fast-attack nuclear subs deployed in the SCS, and not forget the additional 20 AIP subs.

we are interested in buying of 6 P3 aircraft. the hunting season can begin next year when we receive them

Vietnam's navy is too weak and small in comparison, while your training quality/efficiency is also nowhere as good as China's.

we started late with the modernizing the navy. give us some more time.