Vietnam celebrate the overall assembly the 6th domestic Molniya missile boat

[GR!FF!N]

Missile boat can hardly survive in modern wars..
With modern anti-missile system and helicopter, these missile boat is less effective against modern fleet...
Of course if you are one ship vs another ship, it is still not a bad option

any operation doesn't gets conducted without proper support.you could study the link provided and you'd see that these boats got supports from other corvettes or frigates.these weapons acts like a long spear,small size,less amount of crew,but long range ASHMs make these perfect for incursion into enemy zone for strike while a Frigate could provide SAM cover or a AS Corvette could give protection against submarines..every weapon has its own application.

 

[BoQ77]

Precisely the reason why Vietnam has been prudent in reaction. They do not have the force to resist China militarily in open seas. If Vietnam did instigate a military offensive, I believe Vietnam People's Navy would be pulverize by the South Sea Fleet of the PLAN. At the same time, the South Sea Fleet would probably suffer some heavy losses in its fleet vessels, notably, its Frigates. If a land war escalated, then, God help China and Vietnam. Regional Instability would manifest.



Agreed.

Let note that Vietnam make domestic KH-35 missiles for this type of missile boat. The final version has the extended range to 260km ( original 130km )
So no surprise to see Vietnam build this type in large quantity,

The coastal defense system Bal-E also use this type of missile. And Vietnam bought Bal-E too.

Air dominance is the target of Vietnam Airforce, for ie. Spratlys.

 

[hans]

China used to take this kind of tactic before..
Yet when facing big enemy with full navy system, these fast boat is meaningless.
US helicopter and fighter sink so many Iran fast boat in the gulf...
These fast boat can hardly survive when you face a big navy fleet..

any operation doesn't gets conducted without proper support.you could study the link provided and you'd see that these boats got supports from other corvettes or frigates.these weapons acts like a long spear,small size,less amount of crew,but long range ASHMs make these perfect for incursion into enemy zone..

We have C701 light anti-ship missile..
enough for small boat like Molniya..

how a Z9 helicopter could attack a Molniya boat ?

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upgrade possibility : Barak-1

Right..But if China south sea fleet stay away like 120KM off Vietnam coast, then these boat and plane can hardly harm the fleet..
Of course China will not land in Vietnam or start a land war..
It is out of controll

Precisely the reason why Vietnam has been prudent in reaction. They do not have the force to resist China militarily in open seas. If Vietnam did instigate a military offensive, I believe Vietnam People's Navy would be pulverize by the South Sea Fleet of the PLAN. At the same time, the South Sea Fleet would probably suffer some heavy losses in its fleet vessels, notably, its Frigates. If a land war escalated, then, God help China and Vietnam. Regional Instability would manifest.



Agreed.

 

[GR!FF!N]

We have C701 light anti-ship missile..
enough for small boat like Molniya..

you missed my point..these boats are made for rapid insertion,attack and retreat.it doesn't make sense if you've a good ASHMs or not.PN had every kind of weapon to counter our missile boats.but not a single one was damaged or injured.that shows its effectiveness.and I believe even PLAN operates same kind of platforms.

 

[Whiplash]

@hans: Doesn't china operate a massive fleet of fast missile boats? If they're as useless as you say they are, then how do they fit into the Chinese Naval doctrine?
India has been an operator of missile boats since their early days, but has stopped induction of any new classes since the last 20 years.

 

[BoQ77]

We have C701 light anti-ship missile..
enough for small boat like Molniya..

When used as an anti-ship missile, its intended targets are boats with 180 ton displacement or less

Right..But if China south sea fleet stay away like 120KM off Vietnam coast, then these boat and plane can hardly harm the fleet..
Of course China will not land in Vietnam or start a land war..
It is out of controll

Sorry @hans: 300km off Vietnam coast is not the safe distance.
You read the air defense of Molniya but don't read the antiship ability ( the biggest value of that type )

 

[Aepsilons]

Let note that Vietnam make domestic KH-35 missiles for this type of missile boat. The final version has the extended range to 260km ( original 130km )
So no surprise to see Vietnam build this type in large quantity,

The coastal defense system Bal-E also use this type of missile. And Vietnam bought Bal-E too.

Air dominance is the target of Vietnam Airforce, for ie. Spratlys.

In a defensive, Vietnamese Navy + coastal defense + air support can wreck massive damage for the PLAN's South Sea Fleet. The Chinese know this, thus the reason why they would prefer to evade in a coastal conflict, but in the open seas where Vietnam's coastal defense and air support are either mitigated and or can be negated.

Vietnam's defense procurement program enables her to have an potent defense against even the PLAN. Provided they don't go beyond their ASI. This is the very reason why both sides defer conflict and settle this diplomatically.

Right..But if China south sea fleet stay away like 120KM off Vietnam coast, then these boat and plane can hardly harm the fleet..
Of course China will not land in Vietnam or start a land war..
It is out of controll

Of course. But I hardly doubt the Vietnamese would harken to a Vietnamese Admiral who would send missile boats that far out to sea , far from their supply lines. The Vietnamese, if one reviews their military history, have always been defensive, and if ever they engage in limited offensives, their establishment takes are not to overstretch their supply lines.

Vietnam cannot afford to initiate offensives against a military power like China. Defensively, yes, thats a different matter.

 

[BoQ77]

Vietnam has about 2,000 of Scud-D with range 1,000 km CEP 50m
For longest range of coastal defense system : 550 km - warhead 1 ton
Bastion K300-P system : 300 km with Brahmos-alike missile
Coastal defense mobile system : Bal-E : 130 km with original KH-35 missiles and 260km with improved Kh-35 missiles.
Molniya boats same as Bal-E but it's a missile boat.

Limited Su27, Su30, and large quantity of Su-22 with air-to-surface ability could reach the middle of SCS.

@Carlosa : shared us about a secret project to develop a new antiship missiles with range 500-600km. He said that's a joint venture between Vietnam and Russia.

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So it's not safe for any fleet to approach Vietnam coastline ... @hans

 

[sword1947]

Precisely the reason why Vietnam has been prudent in reaction. They do not have the force to resist China militarily in open seas. If Vietnam did instigate a military offensive, I believe Vietnam People's Navy would be pulverize by the South Sea Fleet of the PLAN. At the same time, the South Sea Fleet would probably suffer some heavy losses in its fleet vessels, notably, its Frigates. If a land war escalated, then, God help China and Vietnam. Regional Instability would manifest.



Agreed.

you miss one thing, Chinese second artillery. China is learning from the US about joint battle, so you can't ignore this force.

 

[hans]

PN is no match for PLAN at all
If PN has 052D and the helicopter, they would suffer the lost.
PN is envy even on China 054 class
while we have many better 052C/052D

you missed my point..these boats are made for rapid insertion,attack and retreat.it doesn't make sense if you've a good ASHMs or not.PN had every kind of weapon to counter our missile boats.but not a single one was damaged or injured.that shows its effectiveness.and I believe even PLAN operates same kind of platforms.

 

[Aepsilons]

you miss one thing, Chinese second artillery. China is learning from the US about joint battle, so you can't ignore this force.

Sure, if you want to expand this into a land war. I doubt that would be to the interest in both sides.

 

[hans]

I would say 100 km is safe enough for Chinese fleet, 300KM is safe even for civil ships..
Without coast defense, your fighter and warship has no advantage vs Chinese fleet..
The anti-ship capability? 300 km away you even don`t know where is the enemy fleet?
Fire as blind??

Sorry @hans: 300km off Vietnam coast is not the safe distance.
You read the air defense of Molniya but don't read the antiship ability ( the biggest value of that type )

 

[BoQ77]

confirmed.

Vietnam has EXTRA missile system range 150km, CEP 10m.
That's for islands and coastal defense.

 

[hans]

Right...
Vietnam would not go too far into the sea and China would not go too close to Vietnam coast...
There will be peace...

In a defensive, Vietnamese Navy + coastal defense + air support can wreck massive damage for the PLAN's South Sea Fleet. The Chinese know this, thus the reason why they would prefer to evade in a coastal conflict, but in the open seas where Vietnam's coastal defense and air support are either mitigated and or can be negated.

Vietnam's defense procurement program enables her to have an potent defense against even the PLAN. Provided they don't go beyond their ASI. This is the very reason why both sides defer conflict and settle this diplomatically.



Of course. But I hardly doubt the Vietnamese would harken to a Vietnamese Admiral who would send missile boats that far out to sea , far from their supply lines. The Vietnamese, if one reviews their military history, have always been defensive, and if ever they engage in limited offensives, their establishment takes are not to overstretch their supply lines.

Vietnam cannot afford to initiate offensives against a military power like China. Defensively, yes, thats a different matter.

 

[GR!FF!N]

PN is no match for PLAN at all
If PN has 052D and the helicopter, they would suffer the lost.
PN is envy even on China 054 class
while we have many better 052C/052D

wrong observation..war gets fought based on one time frame.I don't want to say anything about your TYPE-52D etc,but every kind of warships are vulnerable to these ships,as their capability to sneak in and strike.

meanwhile,China use these..

Type 022 missile boat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia