'Very Accurately' Examining Arrest Of Indian In Pakistan, Says Iran

[New World]

You are very welcome to try it, and then you will have 3 enemies surrounding you. And btw, one who lives in a glass house doesn't throw stones. Pakistan and Iran need to be friends for each other and that should be the case no matter what.

it's better to have open enemy than the pretending to be a friend..

if we give the green signal to arabs, they won't take much time to turn Iran into new syria..

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Iran is well aware of Pakistan's pro-Arab (and pro-Sunni) mindset. It took note of its participation in the Northern Thunder exercises with Saudi Arabia. And the Iranians are good at waging proxy wars too, so it can cut both ways.



Has Pakistan even formerly raised the issue at UN? Not that it matters.



And you wonder why Afghanistan and Iran have such warm relations with India.

not quit as experience and as effective as us. When it comes to Low Intensity Conflict situations. Pakistan has destroyed two superpowers in that segment. And has experience which is vastly superior to even of israel's. What basically Pakistan did in 80s is what these countries like israel, America, iran, Saudia arabia etc etc are doing today.

These are just baby steps that they have taken in this vast n diverse field, And their success will determine how much they have learnt from us or if they r even half as effective as us.





Iran's serving commander of secret service the "Al Quds force" General Qasem Soleimani as a young man during his training with Pakistan's ISI.
He went on to transform Iranian secret services..Successfully crushed Kurdish rebellion and still having far reaching impact on international geopolitics.
We taught him well. But they still have a long way to go catch their Mentors, and our legendary fighting spirit,efficiency and effectiveness.

Because our armed forces n intelligentsia network is highly highly highly professional and there r really none other forces in our league in that. @Serpentine

 

[Hamza913]

Before such misadventures, please do calculate the implications of Pakistan being surrounded by 3 angry neighbors..
Pakistan needs Iran to be neutral..

No, we don't because we can flatten two of our three neighbours with relative ease if they do something stupid.

 

[Red-Bull]

When it comes to Low Intensity Conflict situations. Pakistan has destroyed two superpowers in that segment.

what two superpowers did pakistan destroy ?

 

[Umair Nawaz]

what two superpowers did pakistan destroy ?

lol where have u been living in the past 30 years, in mars?

 

[Spectre]

No, we don't because we can flatten two of our three neighbours with relative ease if they do something stupid.

Who says you will allowed to flatten your two out of three neighbours single handedly? You think India will sit lamely sucking their thumbs while you run havoc? Even your proxy actions have consequences which has nearly ruined your economy and left 1000s of innocents dead. Open warfare even with Afghanistan will leave Pakistan hobbled for centuries. Combine Afghanistan with Iran and Pakistan will cease to exist.

Seriously guys - be real and restrict your hyperbole to something which is even remotely plausible.

You are very welcome to try it, and then you will have 3 enemies surrounding you. And btw, one who lives in a glass house doesn't throw stones. Pakistan and Iran need to be friends for each other and that should be the case no matter what.

You can't reason with fools.

 

[Hamza913]

Who says you will allowed to flatten your two out of three neighbours single handedly? You think India will sit lamely sucking their thumbs while you run havoc? Even your proxy actions have consequences which has nearly ruined your economy and left 1000s of innocents dead. Open warfare even with Afghanistan will leave Pakistan hobbled for centuries. Combine Afghanistan with Iran and Pakistan will cease to exist.

Seriously guys - be real and restrict your hyperbole to something which is even remotely plausible.



You can't reason with fools.

India's only option would be to sit lamely. This is not 1971, Pakistan is a nuclear power and can easily destroy India. India would not be so stupid as to risk a nuclear confrontation when they would gain nothing.

Open warfare with Afghanistan will leave us in rubble? Yeah no, their army is weak and pitiful. It would be the other way around.

 

[Red-Bull]

lol where have u been living in the past 30 years, in mars?

eh, as far as I understand you lot like to take full credit for the fall of the soviet union, which is debatable to say the least, but we're not going to debate that now, in fact I'll hand you that for the sake of this argument, ok ?

so apart from the once mighty commies, who is the other superpower that you 'destroyed' ?

 

[Umair Nawaz]

eh, as far as I understand you lot like to take full credit for the fall of the soviet union, which is debatable to say the least, but we're not going to debate that now, in fact I'll hand you that for the sake of this argument, ok ?

so apart from the once mighty commies, who is the other superpower that you 'destroyed' ?

well u understand wrong.

 

[cloud4000]

Very big miscalculation..the Iranians know Pakistan was able to corner them in Afghanistan and limit them to small corner with Northern Alliance..We don't need friends with Iran if it would act as a conduit for Indian games in the region...

Neighbours comes first..we have been keeping the border silent since the days of shah..even the hardcore Zia honoured his commitment to new ayatollah regime taking power in Iran..but Iran has two black spots to wipe..


1. Kul Bhushan Yadav the Indian spy..
2. Uzair baloch the terrorist travelling on Iranian passport and Iranian authorities tried their best to bail him out after capture by Interpol.

So you have your answer. Iran knew who Yadav is and what he was doing. Uzair Baloch had Iranian passport. Yet you are going on about how Iranians were duped by India. Why do you pretend otherwise.

not quit as experience and as effective as us. When it comes to Low Intensity Conflict situations. Pakistan has destroyed two superpowers in that segment. And has experience which is vastly superior to even of israel's. What basically Pakistan did in 80s is what these countries like israel, America, iran, Saudia arabia etc etc are doing today.

You are being a braggart. Again Pakistan makes the false claim of single-handily defeating the Soviet Union in Afghanistan when you know it was only made possible by money and arms sent by Saudi Arabia and US.

I presume the other superpower you mentioned is the US? Wow, what a thing for a 'major non-NATO' ally to admit to. With friends like Pakistan who needs enemies.

 

[Spectre]

India's only option would be to sit lamely. This is not 1971, Pakistan is a nuclear power and can easily destroy India. India would not be so stupid as to risk a nuclear confrontation when they would gain nothing.

Open warfare with Afghanistan will leave us in rubble? Yeah no, their army is weak and pitiful. It would be the other way around.

So you have nukes and that means you can do anything with no consequences? Do you think this rent seeking blackmail mentality will work? You have nukes and so does India. You harm Indian interests, you will be paid in same coin. Haven't your actions in Kashmir taught you anything?

Second where will you find the resources for War? Your govt revenues are not even enough to service the existing debt and has to keep taking new loans to service old loans leading to perpetual cyclical debt.

Third All India has to do is to make the border hot and most of your army will be tied up. As it is you are fighting a full blown insurgency and loosing so many soldiers and civilians.

Wars are carefully planned and conducted best when there is only one front. Some guys here talk about taking Iran and Af out at one go Do you know how much it cost US - 500+ Billion USD for Af alone, Think your paltry Defence Budget of 10 Billion can pay for Af? and I have not even started about Iran which even US never dared to invade or bomb.

 

[Peshwa]

Very big miscalculation..the Iranians know Pakistan was able to corner them in Afghanistan and limit them to small corner with Northern Alliance..We don't need friends with Iran if it would act as a conduit for Indian games in the region...

Neighbours comes first..we have been keeping the border silent since the days of shah..even the hardcore Zia honoured his commitment to new ayatollah regime taking power in Iran..but Iran has two black spots to wipe..


1. Kul Bhushan Yadav the Indian spy..
2. Uzair baloch the terrorist travelling on Iranian passport and Iranian authorities tried their best to bail him out after capture by Interpol.

Iran as a country cannot be ignored or underestimated..especially by Pakistan.
Literally, Pakistan has an oil/gas giant sitting at its doorstep that can help alleviate most of Pakistan's energy problems esp in case of war. Having a neutral Iran who is willing to supply Pakistan regardless of posture viz a viz india is a trump card against any economic blockade India can envision.

Next is the sectarian card. Iran and Saudi are rivals in the Islamic world and Pakistan given the sectarian problems its facing can become a playground for these religious forces. Esp when one is at your doorstep and the other being an all weather ally. With the evergrowing importance of the CPEC (next door to Iran), you want as little to stir up the pot as possible.

Regarding your last two points, Pakistan can take those up with Iran and work towards resolving such issues wrt. spies, but cannot dictate terms or go on the aggressive against Iran. Pakistan has a weak hand geo-politically (at the moment) and should tread carefully with its relations in the region.

You may think differently, but this is my unbiased opinion of the current situation.

No, we don't because we can flatten two of our three neighbours with relative ease if they do something stupid.

Easier said than done...
A very simplistic view of the situation.

 

[Red-Bull]

well u understand wrong.

this is what you said:

Pakistan has destroyed two superpowers..

so one of the "superpowers" that you mention here is quite presumably the USSR, right ? easy enough.. fine.

what is that other second superpower that you claim that Pakistan has 'destroyed' ?

 

[Hamza913]

Iran as a country cannot be ignored or underestimated..especially by Pakistan.
Literally, Pakistan has an oil/gas giant sitting at its doorstep that can help alleviate most of Pakistan's energy problems esp in case of war. Having a neutral Iran who is willing to supply Pakistan regardless of posture viz a viz india is a trump card against any economic blockade India can envision.

Next is the sectarian card. Iran and Saudi are rivals in the Islamic world and Pakistan given the sectarian problems its facing can become a playground for these religious forces. Esp when one is at your doorstep and the other being an all weather ally. With the evergrowing importance of the CPEC (next door to Iran), you want as little to stir up the pot as possible.

Regarding your last two points, Pakistan can take those up with Iran and work towards resolving such issues wrt. spies, but cannot dictate terms or go on the aggressive against Iran. Pakistan has a weak hand geo-politically (at the moment) and should tread carefully with its relations in the region.

You may think differently, but this is my unbiased opinion of the current situation.



Easier said than done...
A very simplistic view of the situation.

It would be better to have peace with Iran, but we don't need peace if they are in pieces.

 

[Red-Bull]

paltry Defence Budget of 10 Billion

it was less than 8 billion as of last year, when did it go up to 10 ?