'Very Accurately' Examining Arrest Of Indian In Pakistan, Says Iran

[Peshwa]

not quit as experience and as effective as us. When it comes to Low Intensity Conflict situations. Pakistan has destroyed two superpowers in that segment. And has experience which is vastly superior to even of israel's. What basically Pakistan did in 80s is what these countries like israel, America, iran, Saudia arabia etc etc are doing today.

These are just baby steps that they have taken in this vast n diverse field, And their success will determine how much they have learnt from us or if they r even half as effective as us.





Iran's serving commander of secret service the "Al Quds force" General Qasem Soleimani as a young man during his training with Pakistan's ISI.
He went on to transform Iranian secret services..Successfully crushed Kurdish rebellion and still having far reaching impact on international geopolitics.
We taught him well. But they still have a long way to go catch their Mentors, and our legendary fighting spirit,efficiency and effectiveness.

Because our armed forces n intelligentsia network is highly highly highly professional and there r really none other forces in our league in that. @Serpentine

Even if this exaggerated/overly bloated view of reality is true in an alternate universe...
This isnt Pakistan of the 80's and 90's and Pakistan has not the means (financially), nor the friends to repeat such feats if they actually even happened the way the poster describes them.
Pakistan has a long way to self-reliance and sufficiency in most fields. Picking up scraps left right and center with your neighbors while banking on past glory as a guarantee of current success is how you find yourself in a hole you cant crawl out of..

 

[Hamza913]

So you have nukes and that means you can do anything with no consequences? Do you think this rent seeking blackmail mentality will work? You have nukes and so does India. You harm Indian interests, you will be paid in same coin. Haven't your actions in Kashmir taught you anything?

Second where will you find the resources for War? Your govt revenues are not even enough to service the existing debt and has to keep taking new loans to service old loans leading to perpetual cyclical debt.

Third All India has to do is to make the border hot and most of your army will be tied up. As it is you are fighting a full blown insurgency and loosing so many soldiers and civilians.

Wars are carefully planned and conducted best when there is only one front. Some guys here talk about taking Iran and Af out at one go Do you know how much it cost US - 500+ Billion USD for Af alone, Think your paltry Defence Budget of 10 Billion can pay for Af? and I have not even started about Iran which even US never dared to invade or bomb.

We can use our Air Force to gain quick superiority over Iran, and then use our ground forces to snatch portions of Iranian territory. We could use nukes if necessary, but we don't need to.

As for Afghanistan, we just need to get rid of their government and army, then let the country destroy itself.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

You are being a braggart. Again Pakistan makes the false claim of single-handily defeating the Soviet Union in Afghanistan when you know it was only made possible by money and arms sent by Saudi Arabia and US.

I presume the other superpower you mentioned is the US? Wow, what a thing for a 'major non-NATO' ally to admit to. With friends like Pakistan who needs enemies.

i leave that to yr imagination, But do wonder why other countries r dying to have more n more intelligence cooperation and anti terror exercises with only us these days? Why is it that our former enemies r also keen to purpose themselves military to military relations, officer exchange, intelligence training and cooperation as well as excises with us (like Russia whose publicly said that and america behind closed doors)?

There are a lot of things my dear that yr small novice indian mind cant comprehend and thats why im giving u clues and leaving the judgement to yr imagination. Bye

Even if this exaggerated/overly bloated view of reality is true in an alternate universe...
This isnt Pakistan of the 80's and 90's and Pakistan has not the means (financially), nor the friends to repeat such feats if they actually even happened the way the poster describes them.
Pakistan has a long way to self-reliance and sufficiency in most fields. Picking up scraps left right and center with your neighbors while banking on past glory as a guarantee of current success is how you find yourself in a whole you cant crawl out of..

then why u think our CAOS every other day gives statements regarding CPEC and how its a game changer for us and how financially we r going to be in the league of top 25 countries in a decade?

For LIC all it matters is experience, which comes from know how. And if yr experience is as vastly battle proven as ours then it doesnt matter if u r financially secured for the time being or not. U can any day revive the tried and tested strategies to great effect.
Regarding rest refer to what i said to cloud4000 in post# 33

 

[somebozo]

India's only option would be to sit lamely. This is not 1971, Pakistan is a nuclear power and can easily destroy India. India would not be so stupid as to risk a nuclear confrontation when they would gain nothing.

Open warfare with Afghanistan will leave us in rubble? Yeah no, their army is weak and pitiful. It would be the other way around.

We already made Afghanistan a rubble once..to ask it to do it again...is cruel

 

[Umair Nawaz]

this is what you said:


so one of the "superpowers" that you mention here is quite presumably the USSR, right ? easy enough.. fine.

what is that other second superpower that you claim that Pakistan has 'destroyed' ?

i think i have made my point clear. Since u lack knowledge in that department regarding our experience with LIC, i just leave it to yr judgement.

 

[somebozo]

It would be better to have peace with Iran, but we don't need peace if they are in pieces.

You cannot have peace with someone double crossing you..and Iranian mullahs have no loyalty

 

[Red-Bull]

i think i have made my point clear. Since u lack knowledge in that department regarding our experience with LIC, i just leave it to yr judgement.

hang on bhai

you, @Umair Nawaz said that:

Pakistan has destroyed two superpowers..

I'm giving your rubbish claim of defeating the commies a pass here, I just want to know what second superpower Pakistan "destroyed" ?

answer the question now:

apart from the "we destroyed teh USSR" (superpower 1)

what second superpower did Pakistan "destroy" ?

 

[Peshwa]

then why u think our CAOS every other day gives statements regarding CPEC and how its a game changer for us and how financially we r going to be in the league of top 25 countries in a decade, financially?

That's not for us to answer, please ask your COAS why he is making claims that he cannot back up with evidence.

For LIC all it matters is experience, which comes from know how. And if yr experience is as vastly battle proven as ours then it doesnt matter if u r financially secured for the time being or not. U can any day revive the tried and tested strategies to great effect.
Regarding rest refer to post# 33

Wars are fought with money and power.. it also helps having a ton of friends.
Pakistan has very little of all three at the moment.
Your soviet excursion was piggy backed on US and Saudi dollars with the US providing you political cover and Afghans as cannon fodder.
That scenario doesnt exist and you are not fighting the soviets who were in a foreign land, but your neighbors. All of whom (except Afg) are way better than you economically and militarily.

Again, You may believe that this is a familiar scenario for you, and as an Indian, I would like nothing more than Pakistanis to continue believing this..

 

[Umair Nawaz]

hang on bhai

you, @Umair Nawaz said that:



I'm giving your rubbish claim of defeating the commies a pass here, I just want to know what second superpower Pakistan "destroyed" ?

answer the question now:

apart from the "we destroyed teh USSR" (superpower 1)

what second superpower did Pakistan "destroy" ?

like i said, i leave it to yr judgement.....Its upto u.

 

[cloud4000]

i leave that to yr imagination, But do wonder why other countries r dying to have more n more intelligence cooperation and anti terror exercises with only us these days? Why is it that our former enemies r also keen to purpose themselves military to military relations, officer exchange, intelligence training and cooperation as well as excessive with us (like Russia whose publicly said that and america behind closed doors)?

When a country is the epicenter of international terrorism, what can one do but make a deal with the devil? Sometimes one needs to use monsters to fight monsters.

There are a lot of things my dear that yr small novice indian mind cant comprehend and thats why im giving u clues and leaving the judgement to yr imagination. Bye

Not my small mind but your vivid reimagining of history. You should be in Lollywood making films.

 

[Super Falcon]

If u don't keep good relation with neighbors over few Indian projects u r in danger Pakistan is centre of the economy with its mass transaction routes which is priceless which India can't payoff

 

[ito]

apart from the "we destroyed teh USSR" (superpower 1)

what second superpower did Pakistan "destroy" ?

I guess he is alluding towards USA. He thinks Taliban to be their own. As Taliban remnants are still there after 15 years of war, he feels Pakistan has destroyed USA. I say strange logic.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

That's not for us to answer, please ask your COAS why he is making claims that he cannot back up with evidence.



Wars are fought with money and power.. it also helps having a ton of friends.
Pakistan has very little of all three at the moment.
Your soviet excursion was piggy backed on US and Saudi dollars with the US providing you political cover and Afghans as cannon fodder.
That scenario doesnt exist and you are not fighting the soviets who were in a foreign land, but your neighbors. All of whom (except Afg) are way better that you economically and militarily.

Again, You may believe that this is a familiar scenario for you, and as an Indian, I would like nothing more than Pakistanis to continue believing this..

yar koi iss bewakuf ko samjhao k main kya kah raha hun. He is not even able to comprehend what im saying......
CPEC's statements r of just security related from our CAOS, he n many analysts have said that countless times that it will be a game changer for us and will put us in top 25 countries financially. So there goes yr financial argument.

Regarding rest read that post fully.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

When a country is the epicenter of international terrorism, what can one do but make a deal with the devil? Sometimes one needs to use monsters to fight monsters.



Not my small mind but your vivid reimagining of history. You should be in Lollywood making films.

believe or not its up to u.

 

[somebozo]

If u don't keep good relation with neighbors over few Indian projects u r in danger Pakistan is centre of the economy with its mass transaction routes which is priceless which India can't payoff

i have been saying this for a decade....but that is precisely the reason why our neighbours conspire against us..without power you do not get respect..America and Europe would not be what they are today without their large standing armies..in contrast look at Japan vs China..the later even with cheap imitation goods has surpassed Japan on a global scale...when you have power..you gain trust and security of others..