Variyamkunnath Kunjahammed Haji, the Khilafat leader who declared an independent state

[jamahir]

Tipu Sultan, Titumir, Haji Shariatullah and now this guy, these people are called anti British heroes but they never believed in the concept of India and always fought for their own Islamic interest.

Tipu was what we now call an internationalist. This is my thread on him from 2015. It is an article from The Hindu newspaper.

If Tipu Sultan was so concerned about United India then why did he fight against the Marathas, his fellow Indian brother??

Even the Nizam of Hyderabad fought against Tipu in the last war. So ?

Tipu was a hero. Period.

That he was.

 

[Naofumi]

Muslim corridor stretching from Kashmir to WB.

And that will work on? Shari'a?

 

[Cliftonite]

And that will work on? Shari'a?

No bozo. Do Bangladesh and Pakistan work on Shariah?

@AfrazulMandal yaar look at this native informant. He's an even bigger Hindu advocate than Hindus themselves.

 

[Naofumi]

No bozo. Do Bangladesh and Pakistan work on Shariah?

@AfrazulMandal yaar look at this native informant. He's an even bigger Hindu advocate than Hindus themselves.

Then why it's even required? Just disentangle religion from politics.

 

[Cliftonite]

Then why it's even required? Just disentangle religion from politics.

You may be an Uncle Tom housenegro but my Muslim brothers and sisters being humiliated in India are not. It's not a question of religion and politics, it's about having the right to live with dignity which Muslims in India don't have.

 

[Naofumi]

You may be an Uncle Tom housenegro but my Muslim brothers and sisters being humiliated in India are not. It's not a question of religion and politics, it's about having the right to live with dignity which Muslims in India don't have.

Well, a good thing about it is that your genocidal dreams are ............................ well dreams only. Good luck.

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

It's not a question of religion and politics, it's about having the right to live with dignity which Muslims in India don't have.

This guy disagrees.

 

[Cliftonite]

This guy disagrees.

Look vada pav, even the most powerful Muslim man in India isn't safe from Islamophobic insults.

Don't come here and stink up our pristine forum with your misal Pav Kolhapuri breath.

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

@AgNoStiC MuSliM @Slav Defence Please took a look at @Cliftonite 's recent posts. He is spewing hatred everywhere with his uncivilized behavior. He is abusing just about everyone who doesn't subscribe to his thinking.

 

[Cliftonite]

@AgNoStiC MuSliM @Slav Defence Please took a look at @Cliftonite 's recent posts. He is spewing hatred everywhere with his uncivilized behavior. He is abusing just about everyone who doesn't subscribe to his thinking.

Great. Go crying to the mods. You can make all kinds of Islamophobic remarks about Muslims, that's okay. I gave you a taste of your own medicine tou aag lag gayi.

 

[Jazzbot]

Tipu Sultan, the most courageous Indian born in last 300 years.

There was no india 300 years ago, so how was Tipu Sultan an Indian?

 

[jamahir]

@Cliftonite

Bhai, @TheGreatMaratha is a good man.

Can you link me where he has been Islamophobic ?

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

Great. Go crying to the mods. You can make all kinds of Islamophobic remarks about Muslims, that's okay. I gave you a taste of your own medicine tou aag lag gayi.

Lol I'm not Islamophobic. Criticizing certain backward practices of Muslims makes me Islamophobic? I criticize certain backward practices within my own community as well unlike you. So do I become Hinduphobic as well?

If you find my post Islamophobic or abusive, use the report button of this forum as I've used it for your abusive and silly posts.

Also this not crying but following the rules of the forum.

 

[SrNair]

Please post them here... I am all ears


LOL... Read history instead of Malayalam comic books...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Anglo-Mysore_War#Medows'_campaign,_1790

You asked for the proofs .I mentioned some books .You can read that if you want .Anyway I will briefly mentions what they said about 1921.
Pakistan or Partition of India .
Dr BR Ambedkar
The blood-curdling atrocities committed by the Moplas in Malabar against the Hindus were indescribable. All over Southern India, a wave of horrified feeling had spread among the Hindus of every shade of opinion, which was intensified when certain Khilafat leaders were so misguided as to pass resolutions of congratulations to the Moplas on the brave fight they were conducting for the sake of religion". Any person could have said that this was too heavy a price for Hindu-Muslim unity. But Mr. Gandhi was so much obsessed by the necessity of establishing Hindu-Muslim unity that he was prepared to make light of the doings of the Moplas and the Khilafats who were congratulating them. He spoke of the Mappilas as the "brave God-fearing Moplahs who were fighting for what they consider as religion and in a manner which they consider as religious ".

Later in 1924 Mahathma Gandhi regretted for what he did .

Lets see what Ms Annie Besant said

Mr. Gandhi…can he not feel a little sympathy for thousands of women left with only rags, driven from home, for little children born of the flying mothers on roads in refuge camps? The misery is beyond description. Girl wives, pretty and sweet, with eyes half blind with weeping, distraught with terror; women who have seen their husbands hacked to pieces before their eye, in the way “Moplas consider as religious”; old women tottering, whose faces become written with anguish and who cry at a gentle touch…men who have lost all, hopeless, crushed, desperate…Can you conceive of a more ghastly and inhuman crime than the murders of babies and pregnant women?…A pregnant woman carrying 7 months was cut through the abdomen by a rebel and she was seen lying dead on the way with the dead child projecting out of the womb…Another: a baby of six months was snatched away from the breast of his own mother and cut into two pieces… Are these rebels human beings or monsters?

A respectable Nayar Lady at Melatur was stripped naked by the rebels in the presence of her husband and brothers, who were made to stand close by with their hands tied behind. When they shut their eyes in abhorrence they were compelled at the point of sword to open their eyes and witness the rape committed by the brute in their presence.


None of them were your Sanghis .
There is a plenty of the historical records.
Onething is sure .This controversey really helped BJP.
Noone knows about our people .
We are actually restraining ourselves .Noone can take madness to next level like us .
This kind of political activity will definitely arise our once dormanted brute nature .

Yeah, a religious nutjob behind the Mapilla riots that killed thousands of Hindus in the name of Khilafat. It is good that people are learning about this little sh!t. Talk about opening a pandora's box.
Freedom fighter my foot, he was through and through today's IS.

So far noone didnt expected this kind of opposition.
This moron Haji was a criminal there was a lots respectable Muslimleaders that opposed that asshole and forced the rioteers to abondon their weapons .But some Islamists in the Kerala dont want those respectable leaders and their legacy .they want this nutjob .

He was a ghazi. May more of him be born and may all of us Muslims get a chance to do what he did.

You Pakistanis dont have any historical relations with South Indians especially Keralites .
Even some worst Islamists in Kerala keeps formidable hate against Pakistan

Muslims never truly fought for India. They fought against the British to create a Islamic state where Hindus and Christians will be subjugated.

Tipu Sultan, Titumir, Haji Shariatullah and now this guy, these people are called anti British heroes but they never believed in the concept of India and always fought for their own Islamic interest.

Also Tipu sultan fought for his own kingdom not for independence. If Tipu Sultan was so concerned about United India then why did he fight against the Marathas, his fellow Indian brother??

Also titumir fought against hindu zaminders who were their own Indian son of soil. Why?

British put an end to Muslim rule in India and this made many muslims furious and they began armed rebellion against the British.

Even in 1921 riot how many Britishers died .
Very few .
In fact the British that wiped those zombies for once and for all

Don't expect us to believe in Sanghi propaganda, lies and exaggerations just because all the Sanghis got together to fabricate an article on Wikipedia or something. That source is no longer considered reliable, nor is Opindia.


Neither did the Hindu Kings or Queens. Your famous Rani Laxmibai (she was a frolicking slut like many others) also fought only to preserve her kingdom. Her famous lines were: "Mai Jahnsi nahi dongi," not "Mai Bharat Mata kay lie marongi"

The concept of a nation-state is only an 18th century invention of Europe. Before that, all countries worldwide were run according to kingdoms. People did have loyalty to ethnicities and tribes, but most historical kingdoms in Europe and Asia were multi-ethnic in character. So, the loyalty was towards a reigning monarch.

But around 18th century, that began to change. First France, Netherlands, and Britain became the true nation-states. The people living there started identifying as French, Dutch, or British respectively. Even Germany and Italy were not united nations back then: they were divided into separate monarchies.

The concept of a nation-state reached India only in the late 19th century, and early 20th century. Before that, there was no such entity called "India." This land was known as "Hindostan" which has approximately the same meaning as European Union (EU) today.

Bottomline; neither did Hindu kings or queens fight for the Sanghi imagination called Bharat-varsha which never existed throughout history.

Thuvoor Kinar aka Thuvoor well was there until recently wherethe majority PFI bought that land and destroyed that well.
Some so called worst rightwing Hindus in Kerala politics was actually from that district because they knows what their forefathers faced.

You sound like a secular fanatic when needed or when ever it suits u, but never raise a voice over RSS goons, india is an artificial state cant last long 100 years ago or 300 year ago lines or borders were different.
people fought against british raj or their own independence but people like you never thankful enough of their courage just cuz this present stat of mind suits you butcher of gujrat as PM and rape capital as center.

1947 partition was with help of British .
So you being a Pakistani dont need to talk to us about our independence fight

Ambedkar was Islamophobic, but that does not make him a Sanghi. Nor does it make his views sacred.


Tipu was a hero. Period.


So?

What problem do you have with an Islamic nation? especially when you already stay in one???
And have the right to shout against Muslims???


Instead of casteist Marathas, we should be able to read more about heroes like these.

These Khilafat regimes were the first to implement land distribution, social schemes and emancipated the women from behind the purdah of rich Hindu zamindars.


most of these are exaggerated and hyped by Hindus to adopt a victim complex.

No.

You were the oppressors.

Only the collaborators of the British rule suffered under his rule.

But then most of you Hindus, I mean Sanghis fit that bill (like the mercy petitioner)

Illegal Bongs dont have anything in Kerala and doesnt concerns you .
And you dont know how many families that faced that genocide still lives in Kerala

 

[Cliftonite]

You asked for the proofs .I mentioned some books .You can read that if you want .Anyway I will briefly mentions what they said about 1921.
Pakistan or Partition of India .
Dr BR Ambedkar
The blood-curdling atrocities committed by the Moplas in Malabar against the Hindus were indescribable. All over Southern India, a wave of horrified feeling had spread among the Hindus of every shade of opinion, which was intensified when certain Khilafat leaders were so misguided as to pass resolutions of congratulations to the Moplas on the brave fight they were conducting for the sake of religion". Any person could have said that this was too heavy a price for Hindu-Muslim unity. But Mr. Gandhi was so much obsessed by the necessity of establishing Hindu-Muslim unity that he was prepared to make light of the doings of the Moplas and the Khilafats who were congratulating them. He spoke of the Mappilas as the "brave God-fearing Moplahs who were fighting for what they consider as religion and in a manner which they consider as religious ".

Later in 1924 Mahathma Gandhi regretted for what he did .

Lets see what Ms Annie Besant said

Mr. Gandhi…can he not feel a little sympathy for thousands of women left with only rags, driven from home, for little children born of the flying mothers on roads in refuge camps? The misery is beyond description. Girl wives, pretty and sweet, with eyes half blind with weeping, distraught with terror; women who have seen their husbands hacked to pieces before their eye, in the way “Moplas consider as religious”; old women tottering, whose faces become written with anguish and who cry at a gentle touch…men who have lost all, hopeless, crushed, desperate…Can you conceive of a more ghastly and inhuman crime than the murders of babies and pregnant women?…A pregnant woman carrying 7 months was cut through the abdomen by a rebel and she was seen lying dead on the way with the dead child projecting out of the womb…Another: a baby of six months was snatched away from the breast of his own mother and cut into two pieces… Are these rebels human beings or monsters?

A respectable Nayar Lady at Melatur was stripped naked by the rebels in the presence of her husband and brothers, who were made to stand close by with their hands tied behind. When they shut their eyes in abhorrence they were compelled at the point of sword to open their eyes and witness the rape committed by the brute in their presence.


None of them were your Sanghis .
There is a plenty of the historical records.
Onething is sure .This controversey really helped BJP.
Noone knows about our people .
We are actually restraining ourselves .Noone can take madness to next level like us .
This kind of political activity will definitely arise our once dormanted brute nature .



So far noone didnt expected this kind of opposition.
This moron Haji was a criminal there was a lots respectable Muslimleaders that opposed that asshole and forced the rioteers to abondon their weapons .But some Islamists in the Kerala dont want those respectable leaders and their legacy .they want this nutjob .



You Pakistanis dont have any historical relations with South Indians especially Keralites .
Even some worst Islamists in Kerala keeps formidable hate against Pakistan



Even in 1921 riot how many Britishers died .
Very few .
In fact the British that wiped those zombies for once and for all



Thuvoor Kinar aka Thuvoor well was there until recently wherethe majority PFI bought that land and destroyed that well.
Some so called worst rightwing Hindus in Kerala politics was actually from that district because they knows what their forefathers faced.



1947 partition was with help of British .
So you being a Pakistani dont need to talk to us about our independence fight



Illegal Bongs dont have anything in Kerala and doesnt concerns you .
And you dont know how many families that faced that genocide still lives in Kerala

Yeah yeah cool story. Which fictional book did you take it out of?

We know fully well the extent of lies heathens like you propagate. Indonesia, Bangladesh and Malaysia were converted without any forced conversions and now they're 80% Muslim. Bharat Mayya was subjected to SO much violence yet still remained 75% Hindu. So much for unspeakable violence. Indian imagination and story weaving knows no ends.

@SrNair if we don't succeed, surely the Christians will succeed in your South India.

Our main goal is taking power away from fanatical heathens like you. You guys are a mob masquerading as community. We're fine with even Christians becoming majority in South India. As long monkey elephant fanboy heathens are out of power.