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[Donatello]

lol, am not saying anything either, but gun law in America have been the easy target for blame for crime being committed in the United States, it is very easy to blame Gun Law as well, than to try and fix the social injustice.

Problem is, most gun involved in a crime are obtained illegally, even some firearms are bought in a legal mean, they were being used with Criminal Mind in the beginning (Stuff like filing off the serial number, or replacing the barrel) I was working in the Forensic Department with MPD for half a year after I got out of the military, seen that enough time over my desk.

When you have a person who buys firearms with an illegal intention, it is not the firearms you need to look at or fix, but the person himself, simply because if that person cannot obtain a firearms in a legal mean, he or she would have got it by other mean anyway. The problem is fix the problem, not the gun

Again, you missed my posts....

I am not blaming the Gun Law.....i am blaming the sociological factors......actually i am asking....why is this happening more often than not in the USA?

 

[Faiez]

This is the elephant in the room. Mass shootings are sensational and get all the coverage. What doesn't get (as much) coverage is the hundred of murders committed daily in our inner city shitholes. Three people were killed in a Baltimore shooting just a few days ago, but that didn't get nearly as much coverage as Freddy Gray. This year Baltimore is on pace for the highest homicide rates in 40 years. But that doesn't get any coverage either. At the same time we have to deal with this black lives matter crap, when well over 90% of homicides of black people are at the hands of other blacks. Maybe we're just so used to ghetto violence that we've become numb to it. Mass shootings are anomalous and provoke a reaction. Which brings me to my main point. If black homicide rates were on par with white or even Hispanics, US murder rates would be lower than most of Europe.

Even after living with civilized man for almost 200 years, these people still haven't changed a bit.

Their problem is not just skin deep, it's not the color of their skin, it's their entire DNA. They are naturally violent/aggressive people.

 

[jhungary]

Again, you missed my posts....

I am not blaming the Gun Law.....i am blaming the sociological factors......actually i am asking....why is this happening more often than not in the USA?

Nutter anywhere buddies.....The problem with Nutter in the US is they don't have Universal Health Care like the rest of the country. I was diagnosed with Depression and was indeed suicidal after I return from war, and the only place I can turn is VA, and even so, VA is not a good place to be.

Health Care in the US favour the riches, and mental problem require a long stint of hospitalisation and medication, now try to imagine if you are a blue collar and you are not make of gold and yet you need to be pay for hospital and medication just about forever...

Another problem is the socio-psychological level of things, most people don't really see mental problem as much as rampant and important issue as other diseases, Now, not being a medical professional I cannot tell you but you won't die if you have a few screw lose in the head, but you do when you catch a flu. So acute disease take front seat and mental problem got sweep under the rug usually.

Without a good system to prevent socio-psychological break down and without a good system to heal/cure those people, what do you think would happen?

 

[VCheng]

Nutter anywhere buddies.....The problem with Nutter in the US is they don't have Universal Health Care like the rest of the country. I was diagnosed with Depression and was indeed suicidal after I return from war, and the only place I can turn is VA, and even so, VA is not a good place to be.

Health Care in the US favour the riches, and mental problem require a long stint of hospitalisation and medication, now try to imagine if you are a blue collar and you are not make of gold and yet you need to be pay for hospital and medication just about forever...

Another problem is the socio-psychological level of things, most people don't really see mental problem as much as rampant and important issue as other diseases, Now, not being a medical professional I cannot tell you but you won't die if you have a few screw lose in the head, but you do when you catch a flu. So acute disease take front seat and mental problem got sweep under the rug usually.

Without a good system to prevent socio-psychological break down and without a good system to heal/cure those people, what do you think would happen?

Great post, but let me ask you a question: For the general population, at what point does one decide that the normal stressors of life are now worthy of medical attention, and who determines that?

Even after living with civilized man for almost 200 years, these people still haven't changed a bit.

Their problem is not just skin deep, it's not the color of their skin, it's their entire DNA. They are naturally violent/aggressive people.

To say any of that is simply and horribly incorrect.

 

[Donatello]

Nutter anywhere buddies.....The problem with Nutter in the US is they don't have Universal Health Care like the rest of the country. I was diagnosed with Depression and was indeed suicidal after I return from war, and the only place I can turn is VA, and even so, VA is not a good place to be.

Health Care in the US favour the riches, and mental problem require a long stint of hospitalisation and medication, now try to imagine if you are a blue collar and you are not make of gold and yet you need to be pay for hospital and medication just about forever...

Another problem is the socio-psychological level of things, most people don't really see mental problem as much as rampant and important issue as other diseases, Now, not being a medical professional I cannot tell you but you won't die if you have a few screw lose in the head, but you do when you catch a flu. So acute disease take front seat and mental problem got sweep under the rug usually.

Without a good system to prevent socio-psychological break down and without a good system to heal/cure those people, what do you think would happen?

See, this is what i mean. America makes money out of everything...be it health or education...the two basic needs for a civilized society. If people in the military (a federal job) are finding it hard to cope, i can only imagine what goes in the mind of a frustrated person who was laid off his job or bullied at school because he was poor or a bit different.

Similar to the way the Germanwings co-pilot committed suicide, he had all his depression mentioned in the medical notes, yet those notes never reached those who should've taken action......because the pilot never submitted them, knowing very well that he will be out of job. 100+ people lost their lives.

 

[VCheng]

See, this is what i mean. America makes money out of everything...be it health or education...the two basic needs for a civilized society. If people in the military (a federal job) are finding it hard to cope, i can only imagine what goes in the mind of a frustrated person who was laid off his job or bullied at school because he was poor or a bit different.

Similar to the way the Germanwings co-pilot committed suicide, he had all his depression mentioned in the medical notes, yet those notes never reached those who should've taken action......because the pilot never submitted them, knowing very well that he will be out of job. 100+ people lost their lives.

But Germany has socialized and free healthcare, so your argument here fails to apply, since that pilot would have been taken care of, but yet he did what he did.

 

[Donatello]

But Germany has socialized and free healthcare, so your argument here fails to apply.

Nope it doesn't, because you didn't bother to read through, like most of your comprehensions....

The pilot was rightly diagnosed with depression and given a note to ask for leave from work........as i mentioned......so where does the health care system fail?

Yes, maybe there should be regulation, for example people who are in charge of the lives of others should have their such medical conditions reported automatically, but then you have the tough privacy laws......Germany is extremely strict when it comes to privacy of the individuals so medical record sharing would be a no no.

 

[VCheng]

Nope it doesn't, because you didn't bother to read through, like most of your comprehensions....

The pilot was rightly diagnosed with depression and given a note to ask for leave from work........as i mentioned......so where does the health care system fail?

Yes, maybe there should be regulation, for example people who are in charge of the lives of others should have their such medical conditions reported automatically, but then you have the tough privacy laws......Germany is extremely strict when it comes to privacy of the individuals so medical record sharing would be a no no.

Which is why I will ask the same question of you what I asked above: For the general population, at what point does one decide that the normal stressors of life are now worthy of medical attention, and who determines that?

You see, it is not a simple issue.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Even after living with civilized man for almost 200 years, these people still haven't changed a bit.

Their problem is not just skin deep, it's not the color of their skin, it's their entire DNA. They are naturally violent/aggressive people.

what era are you from? your post is very bigoted. your stereotyping is false and ill informed and only racist.

the contribution of Black community towards building America is much more profound where its people elected a black member of their country to be their president ... twice

Which is why I will ask the same question of you what I asked above: For the general population, at what point does one decide that the normal stressors of life are now worthy of medical attention, and who determines that?

You see, it is not a simple issue.

agree its not a simple issue and will vary case to case. as for who decides what is normal or abnormal
I think the people around that person. his co-workers, pub mates, family and friends.. but this will fail if he is a recluse

 

[Daneshmand]

Which is why I will ask the same question of you what I asked above: For the general population, at what point does one decide that the normal stressors of life are now worthy of medical attention, and who determines that?

You see, it is not a simple issue.

That will only take us towards fascism, when consent goes out of the window and when preemptive "medical" intervention is ordered by force.

What is really needed is to use social and cultural programs to instill values in a people who then do not need to do such nefarious acts to redeem themselves of their lives stressors.

These problems have no mechanical solutions in medical sciences. The cause and solutions of these problems are rather to do with philosophy of a people and their government.

 

[VCheng]

agree its not a simple issue and will vary case to case. as for who decides what is normal or abnormal
I think the people around that person. his co-workers, pub mates, family and friends.. but this will fail if he is a recluse

There are two three main aspects that we need to consider:

One, is whether we allow the individual to determine whether he/she can cope with the stressors that we all face in our lives and seek out assistance in a caring and private manner, or do we impose mandatory counseling on just about everybody, and if so, how will such a program be implemented.

Two, is whether we consider everyone to have equal access rights to whatever equipment or technology they deem to be needed, or whether we vet everyone for certain categories of tools and equipment or not.

Three, is whether we grant the various levels of government to decide what technologies are allowed or not, and to what extent.

All of these questions are not easy to answer, and various countries and societies will decide them all in different ways.

That will only take us towards fascism, when consent goes out of the window and when preemptive "medical" intervention is ordered by force.

What is really needed is to use social and cultural programs to instill values in a people who then do not need to do such nefarious acts to redeem themselves of their lives stressors.

These problems have no mechanical solutions in medical sciences. The cause and solutions of these problems are rather to do with philosophy of a people and their government.

Yes, which is why we must respect each society's and people's right to decide for themselves in each country. Every place is different, as I mention above.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

That will only take us towards fascism, when consent goes out of the window and when preemptive "medical" intervention is ordered by force.

What is really needed is to use social and cultural programs to instill values in a people who then do not need to do such nefarious acts to redeem themselves of their lives stressors.

These problems have no mechanical solutions in medical sciences. The cause and solutions of these problems are rather to do with philosophy of a people and their government.

even within USA American south thinks differently when it comes to personal freedom and rights and state intervention to the rest of the country

 

[Daneshmand]

even within USA American south thinks differently when it comes to personal freedom and rights and state intervention to the rest of the country

Yes, you are right and am aware of that. But what I was saying, such incidents have a deeper cause, unrelated to and un-solvable by state intervention or non-intervention.

In alot of these societies, the good old values are being discarded and along with it, alot of values which had been developed through thousands of years of our socio-biological evolution are fading as well. The values such as if I feel like a diick today, it does not mean I should do away with two of my former co-workers. Values such as you do not go into a school and massacre children because you feel you are "depressed".

Even a draconian state can not maintain sanity in society with force of permanent application of straitjackets, hospital rubber rooms or lobotomization, if all the individuals in a society have lost so much values that they have gone koko.

It is very important to realize that weakness in character has no cure in medical sciences or can be corrected by application of police force or judicial punishment. There is no medicine for flaws in character. Weaknesses in character have to be corrected at home or schools or by society itself. Whether in south, north or east or west. It does not matter. It is a social responsibility. Where was the society when this man needed help. Needed to talk to someone. What had his parents and school taught him?

 

[haviZsultan]

LOL and the other day that @Solomon2 was sharing the news of the journalists of Pakistan being in a terrible situation.

Im yet to find a person killing them in a live field report.

Their selective morality makes me sick. When they fall we will cheer for sure.

 

[VCheng]

It is a social responsibility. Where was the society when this man needed help. Needed to talk to someone. What had his parents and school taught him?

Great questions, which one can also ask of many others too: The German pilot, The Times Square Bomber, etc. etc.

even within USA American south thinks differently when it comes to personal freedom and rights and state intervention to the rest of the country

That also raises issues of the respective authorities of State vs Federal governments.