ASBM bait. If China didn't scare America they would have invaded years ago. China can EASILY ramp up military spending by hundreds of billions a year - doing the same would bankrupt America.
US Welcomes China’s RIMPAC Spying
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ASBM bait. If China didn't scare America they would have invaded years ago. China can EASILY ramp up military spending by hundreds of billions a year - doing the same would bankrupt America.
LOL! Clearly you know nothing about US defense spending capacity and history.
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Kid, we wrote the manual on how to conduct and analyze SIGINT. Do not think, not even for a moment in your wet dreams, that just because a Chinese spy ship can gather intelligence on US and that you record our reactions so that mean you are as capable as we are.
For a master of SIGINT like US, how we react is one way of provoking a response from the spy, whether that spy is a ship or an aircraft. And we will observe, record, and analyze those responses. Just like the rest of the Chinese members here, you have never been in the military and your exaggerated posts reflects that ignorance.
Not only do we see you clueless about the military, now it is about economics as well.
Learn English. What I wrote is 100% correct, and you're nothing but a tiny dick fanboy. Bring it on if America is so tough - you know you'd be financially and economically ANNIHILATED before being destroyed in the East and South Seas, ending your country forever.
Clearly you know nothing about economics or finance.
@gambit ,
I admire how you can tolerate the ineptitude of some individual(s) here. The shear ignorance is almost saddening.
@Nihonjin1051 America is a financial basket case - time to wake up. China could destroy the US economy any day it pleased. America has no ability to expand its military spending lest it face total economic ruin - or they would. If China said tomorrow that it was going to TRIPLE its spending America could do nothing but cry angry tears.
Apparently you can't understand plain English. Here it is, nice and slow for you and gambit and other illiterates:
With spending as it is America can't do **** against China. America is at the CEILING of its military spending, as proven by the fights in Congress NOW about cutting the budget. America cannot sustain more spending and is at a strategic impasse with China.
Meanwhile China is spending the absolute bare minimum and could bolster spending by hundreds of billions and not feel a thing, financially.
With spending as it is America can't do **** against China. America is at the CEILING of its military spending, as proven by the fights in Congress NOW about cutting the budget. America cannot sustain more spending and is at a strategic impasse with China.
Meanwhile China is spending the absolute bare minimum and could bolster spending by hundreds of billions and not feel a thing, financially.
China's RIMPAC Spying: Having Your Cake and Eating It Too
Despite hopeful comments by U.S. military officials, China’s sending a naval vessel to spy on the international RIMPAC exercises near Hawaii does not indicate a tacit recognition that similar U.S. operations near China are legal. Instead, a Chinese Defense Ministry spokesman complained Thursday that such U.S. reconnaissance missions “severely compromise China’s national security.”
As Zach wrote this week on the Flashpoints blog, Admiral Samuel J. Locklear III, commander of U.S. Pacific Command, was remarkably upbeat about the revelation that a Chinese auxiliary general-intelligence ship was shadowing the RIMPAC drills within Hawaii’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ). Locklear saw the Chinese vessel’s presence as “an acceptance by the Chinese of what we’ve been saying to them for some time, [which] is that military operations and survey operations in another country’s EEZs … are within international law and are acceptable.” China has long protested U.S. surveillance missions within China’s EEZs, while the U.S. believes waters outside the 12 nautical mile territorial zone are international waters and thus fair game for surveillance missions. Because China sent a vessel to perform reconnaissance within Hawaii’s EEZ, Locklear was hopeful China had come around to the standard international interpretation.
However, a Chinese Defense Ministry spokesman made it clear that China’s position has not changed. Geng Yasheng, speaking at the ministry’s conference, defended the presence of China’s AGI vessel in the Hawaiian EEZ, saying that the vessel was acting in line with international law. “We hope the U.S. [will] respect the legitimate rights of the Chinese ship,” Geng said, and the U.S. navy has shown every indication of doing so.
Still, China’s position that its own ship is acting lawfully doesn’t seem to have changed its dislike for similar actions by U.S. vessels. Geng objected to a comparison between the two: “The activities of the Chinese navy ship, no matter in terms of scope, frequency, or pattern, can not be compared to the U.S. ship and aircraft’s high intensity close-in reconnaissance against China.”
Chinese official have long listed U.S. surveillance missions as one of three factors limiting U.S.-China military relations (with the other two being U.S. arms sales to Taiwan and U.S. congressional restrictions on mil-to-mil interactions). In an indication that China will holds fast to this position, Geng argued that U.S. reconnaissance missions near China “severely compromise China’s national security and can easily trigger accidents at sea and in the air.” Indeed, recently China has seemed willing to cause such “accidents” by aggressively harassing U.S. ships that venture into its EEZ on surveillance missions, including the Victorious and the Impeccable in 2009, the George Washington in 2010, and the Impeccable again in 2013.
So it seems that China wants to both vigorously defend its right to conduct reconnaissance missions near the U.S. while also denying the U.S. the same right. But how? In his defense of the Chinese AGI ship’s operations near Hawaii, Geng emphasized that the mission “is in line with the international law and domestic law of the U.S.” The latter may hold the key to understanding China’s position, as Andrew S. Erickson and Emily de La Bruyere suggest in their analysis of China's RIMPAC surveillance .
Erickson and de La Bruyere point out that China wants to use domestic laws to justify its seemingly contradictory stance. The U.S., which believes in free navigation, even for surveillance activities, within EEZs, has no domestic laws restricting such missions. China does. Thus Beijing can insist upon the legality of its operations near Hawaii based on U.S. domestic law, even while denying the U.S. the same right based on Chinese domestic law.
China’s position on surveillance and (more broadly) on freedom of navigation and overflight in its EEZ has important ramifications for China’s territorial disputes. Thus far, Beijing has insisted that U.S. concerns about freedom of navigation in the South China Sea are completely unfounded. But China apparently also wants to insist that all countries adhere to its domestic laws within its EEZ, an area that is more usually considered international waters. Under the Chinese “nine-dash line” claim, most of the South China Sea would fall under Beijing’s jurisdiction — and thus be closed to surveillance and reconnaissance missions.
China’s RIMPAC Spying: Having Your Cake and Eating It Too | The Diplomat
Well said, Mike.
A bold claim. Truly.
Despite hopeful comments by U.S. military officials, China’s sending a naval vessel to spy on the international RIMPAC exercises near Hawaii does not indicate a tacit recognition that similar U.S. operations near China are legal. Instead, a Chinese Defense Ministry spokesman complained Thursday that such U.S. reconnaissance missions “severely compromise China’s national security.”
As Zach wrote this week on the Flashpoints blog, Admiral Samuel J. Locklear III, commander of U.S. Pacific Command, was remarkably upbeat about the revelation that a Chinese auxiliary general-intelligence ship was shadowing the RIMPAC drills within Hawaii’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ). Locklear saw the Chinese vessel’s presence as “an acceptance by the Chinese of what we’ve been saying to them for some time, [which] is that military operations and survey operations in another country’s EEZs … are within international law and are acceptable.” China has long protested U.S. surveillance missions within China’s EEZs, while the U.S. believes waters outside the 12 nautical mile territorial zone are international waters and thus fair game for surveillance missions. Because China sent a vessel to perform reconnaissance within Hawaii’s EEZ, Locklear was hopeful China had come around to the standard international interpretation.
However, a Chinese Defense Ministry spokesman made it clear that China’s position has not changed. Geng Yasheng, speaking at the ministry’s conference, defended the presence of China’s AGI vessel in the Hawaiian EEZ, saying that the vessel was acting in line with international law. “We hope the U.S. [will] respect the legitimate rights of the Chinese ship,” Geng said, and the U.S. navy has shown every indication of doing so.
Still, China’s position that its own ship is acting lawfully doesn’t seem to have changed its dislike for similar actions by U.S. vessels. Geng objected to a comparison between the two: “The activities of the Chinese navy ship, no matter in terms of scope, frequency, or pattern, can not be compared to the U.S. ship and aircraft’s high intensity close-in reconnaissance against China.”
Chinese official have long listed U.S. surveillance missions as one of three factors limiting U.S.-China military relations (with the other two being U.S. arms sales to Taiwan and U.S. congressional restrictions on mil-to-mil interactions). In an indication that China will holds fast to this position, Geng argued that U.S. reconnaissance missions near China “severely compromise China’s national security and can easily trigger accidents at sea and in the air.” Indeed, recently China has seemed willing to cause such “accidents” by aggressively harassing U.S. ships that venture into its EEZ on surveillance missions, including the Victorious and the Impeccable in 2009, the George Washington in 2010, and the Impeccable again in 2013.
So it seems that China wants to both vigorously defend its right to conduct reconnaissance missions near the U.S. while also denying the U.S. the same right. But how? In his defense of the Chinese AGI ship’s operations near Hawaii, Geng emphasized that the mission “is in line with the international law and domestic law of the U.S.” The latter may hold the key to understanding China’s position, as Andrew S. Erickson and Emily de La Bruyere suggest in their analysis of China's RIMPAC surveillance .
Erickson and de La Bruyere point out that China wants to use domestic laws to justify its seemingly contradictory stance. The U.S., which believes in free navigation, even for surveillance activities, within EEZs, has no domestic laws restricting such missions. China does. Thus Beijing can insist upon the legality of its operations near Hawaii based on U.S. domestic law, even while denying the U.S. the same right based on Chinese domestic law.
China’s position on surveillance and (more broadly) on freedom of navigation and overflight in its EEZ has important ramifications for China’s territorial disputes. Thus far, Beijing has insisted that U.S. concerns about freedom of navigation in the South China Sea are completely unfounded. But China apparently also wants to insist that all countries adhere to its domestic laws within its EEZ, an area that is more usually considered international waters. Under the Chinese “nine-dash line” claim, most of the South China Sea would fall under Beijing’s jurisdiction — and thus be closed to surveillance and reconnaissance missions.
China’s RIMPAC Spying: Having Your Cake and Eating It Too | The Diplomat
loool are you joking mate? This isnt nothing really to the U.S. China still doesnt have the capability to really patrol in the U.S EEZ mainland. Meanwhile the U.S has the capabilities to patrol/spy on China and basically every country on the globe EEZ. So china sending a spy ship to an exercise organized by the U.S in a U.S islands in Asia isnt something that can be called 'spitting on the face of the U.S.
China still needs at least 30 years to reach current U.S naval capability, i.e assuming the U.S stays static.
But at least cheer up, i think in a decade or 2 from now China might/will be the second most powerful navy in the world if it keeps up its current growth trajectory. But as of now you are still way behind the worlds only superpower.
Well said, Mike.
A bold claim. Truly.
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Do not bark for others, my friend. Let them do the barking for themselves.
If you wanna talk, talk directly to the person you refer to.
I hope indirect talk is not a general Japanese way.
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And the guy continues to make a fool out of himself...Until the end...
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You are to be put on my ignore list and all the nuisance is gone. LOL.
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don't care my boy .just believe we will win at the end .and break their dream
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I will be a nuisance to you guys no matter what, conscript reject.
