US vows to keep Gulf waterway open despite Iran's threats

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we are talking about pakistan armed with nukes .nukes did not stop US operating inside pakistan violating all international norms .
by the way kim begged for meeting .

No Kim didn't beg shit, he made the smart move. He had nothing to lose by meeting Trump and everything to gain. You're really bad at this strategic stuff, you better stick with something else. Pakistan is America's ally hence Americans feel they have a right to do what they want, Iran is no ally of US. For the last time you can't compare apples to oranges and say since both of them are fruits then they're the same although I wouldn't be surprised if you do that.

 

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No Kim didn't beg shit, he made the smart move. He had nothing to lose by meeting Trump and everything to gain. You're really bad at this strategic stuff, you better stick with something else. Pakistan is America's ally hence Americans feel they have a right to do what they want, Iran is no ally of US. For the last time you can't compare apples to oranges and say since both of them are fruits then they're the same although I wouldn't be surprised if you do that.

so allies can violate your airspace , can kill terrorist go away with the body , this the strategic stuff you have learnt with great pride in yourself ? what about nuke theory ? oh allies can do whatever they like .

thank you .

 

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so allies can violate your airspace , can kill terrorist go away with the body , this the strategic stuff you have learnt with great pride in yourself ? what about nuke theory ? oh allies can do whatever they like .

thank you .

Whatever floats your boat, I'm done arguing with a wall.

Here is perfect example of never argue with an idiot. Idiots will drag you to their stupid level and beat you with their experience.

 

[hazzam]

Whatever floats your boat, I'm done arguing with a wall.

Here is perfect example of never argue with an idiot. Idiots will drag you to their stupid level and beat you with their experience.

that's better .

 

[Sineva]

trump will see it is not blocked by anybody .

You might want to actually take a look at a map of the persian gulf specifically the straits of hormuz,because I doubt pres chump ever has.The phrase that comes to mind is:"Fish in a barrel"

 

[hazzam]

You might want to actually take a look at a map of the persian gulf specifically the straits of hormuz,because I doubt pres chump ever has.The phrase that comes to mind is:"Fish in a barrel"

so you think super power can not safeguard a sea strait from iran ? what iran will do ? bombard ships ? US ships airforce will sit and see ?

 

[Sineva]

nukes did not stop US doing operations in pakistan , salala and abbottabad , drone strikes etc . nukes are deterent for neighbours ,not for super power 20000 km away .

Wow!,so russia and the us are neighbors then?,and france and britain are also russian neighbors?,could you show me that map please?.How about the dprk and usa?,I`m pretty sure they arent neighbors.
A nuclear arsenal is only one part of the equation,the other is the delivery system for that arsenal and if one has irbm and icbm delivery systems then you can strike targets almost anywhere in the world,you arent just limited to the neighbors.
As for pakistan and its lack of action well that old phrase "vassal state" does come to mind,now doesnt it..?,but on the other hand could you imagine the americans trying that exact same sh!t in the dprk...or even say...india?,no of course not,and that I think beautifully illustrates the difference between vassal states and non vassal states.

 

[hazzam]

Wow!,so russia and the us are neighbors then?,and france and britain are also russian neighbors?,could you show me that map please?.How about the dprk and usa?,I`m pretty sure they arent neighbors.
A nuclear arsenal is only one part of the equation,the other is the delivery system for that arsenal and if one has irbm and icbm delivery systems then you can strike targets almost anywhere in the world,you arent just limited to the neighbors.
As for pakistan and its lack of action well that old phrase "vassal state" does come to mind,now doesnt it..?,but on the other hand could you imagine the americans trying that exact same sh!t in the dprk...or even say...india?,no of course not,and that I think beautifully illustrates the difference between vassal states and non vassal states.

if US wants they can bring india or north korea to it's knee ,simply by economic blockade .

 

[Sineva]

so you think super power can not safeguard a sea strait from iran ? what iran will do ? bombard ships ? US ships airforce will sit and see ?

You`re not very bright are you fella?,or maybe you`re just rather ignorant when it comes to irans area denial capabilities in the persian gulf,however you really might want to do some research on irans antiship weapons,their capabilities,the size of irans ballistic missile arsenal,the size of its naval mine stocks,the number of us bases in the region and their ranges from iran,oh and you might actually want to look at that map I posted because you should be able to see that thanks to its rather unique geography it allows the land based forces to fire on any vessels crossing the straits from THREE [3] DIRECTIONS AT ONCE,not something I`d really want to have to run into if I was commanding a naval taskforce.Why do you think iran spent so much money on antiship weapons,ballistic missiles and naval mines?.

 

[hazzam]

You`re not very bright are you fella?,or maybe you`re just rather ignorant when it comes to irans area denial capabilities in the persian gulf,however you really might want to do some research on irans antiship weapons,their capabilities,the size of irans ballistic missile arsenal,the size of its naval mine stocks,the number of us bases in the region and their ranges from iran,oh and you might actually want to look at that map I posted because you should be able to see that thanks to its rather unique geography it allows the land based forces to fire on any vessels crossing the straits from THREE [3] DIRECTIONS AT ONCE,not something I`d really want to have to run into if I was commanding a naval taskforce.Why do you think iran spent so much money on antiship weapons,ballistic missiles and naval mines?.

true i am not as bright as you are . but US can send iran or any country in in stone age if they dare to strike US carrier ships .

 

[Sineva]

if US wants they can bring india or north korea to it's knee ,simply by economic blockade .

And how are they going to do that exactly?.Now in theory they could park the us navy around the coastline to try and stop sea trade but what about the land routes?.In reality this sort of siege strategy just wouldnt work unless of course you`re talking about a small island,which neither india nor the dprk is.....and then of course you have those damn pesky nuclear arsenals that both nations posses.[LOL!]

 

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And how are they going to do that exactly?.Now in theory they could park the us navy around the coastline to try and stop sea trade but what about the land routes?.In reality this sort of siege strategy just wouldnt work unless of course you`re talking about a small island,which neither india nor the dprk is.....and then of course you have those damn pesky nuclear arsenals that both nations posses.[LOL!]

they did it in iraq , afghanistan ,
pakistan is ally but musharraf said to his generals " you won't know what has hit you " if they did not intened to join US in war against al qayada and taliban. pakistan joined the war as ally .

 

[Sineva]

true i am not as bright as you are . but US can send iran or any country in in stone age if they dare to strike US carrier ships .

Your name wouldnt happen to be B.Rick Wall would it?,because I seriously get the feeling that I`m talking to one of these:

Oh well....

they did it in iraq , afghanistan ,
pakistan is ally but musharraf said to his generals " you won't know what has hit you " if they did not intened to join US in war against al qayada and taliban. pakistan joined the war as ally .

They were only able to do that because of unsc resolutions that imposed the harshest sanctions ever seen on iraq,this required a huge amount of diplomacy and the active cooperation of numerous nations and even then iraq was still able to continue to smuggle oil and receive income which kept the iraqi baathist state in power.
Afghanistan was already long destroyed before america got interested in it again.
Pakistan is a vassal not an ally,theres a very big difference between the two.
Heres the merriam-webster dictionary definition of a vassal state:

Definition of vassal state: a state with varying degrees of independence in its internal affairs but dominated by another state in its foreign affairs and potentially wholly subject to the dominating state

 

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nukes did not stop US doing operations in pakistan , salala and abbottabad , drone strikes etc . nukes are deterent for neighbours ,not for super power 20000 km away .



attack on israel .

nothing was done without Pakistani permission. salala wasnt a drone strike and neither was abbotabad

 

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They throw away our nuclear program , ( worth more than 35 billion $ ) for some green card for their children ..... Will they dare to kill Americans solders and put wealthy live of their beloved children in USA , Canada , UK at risk ?.... For smart Iranian s the answer is clear .... NO