US ‘very concerned’ over Pakistan’s crackdown on Ahmadis

[Skywalker]

We are also concerned about president elect mr. Donald dumb.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Where's this broadminded Ness , tolerance and 'full stop ' when someone's calls himself a tableeghi , jihadi or mullah or a madrassas talib ilm infront of seculars like you ?

Why do such people don't get a full stop , why do they get insulted and bad mouthed in forums and in this country from seculars like you .
Why limit your secularism only for non muslims and pant shirt wearing , skirt wearing folks . ? While those who study qaaida or quran isn't getting a 'full stop from your likes seculars.
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Don't involve yourself in religious bigotry, don't do suicide bombing, don't involve in sectarianism & extremism, don't involve yourself in violence, world will not hate you

 

[hussain0216]

Don't involve yourself in religious bigotry, don't do suicide bombing, don't involve in sectarianism & extremism, don't involve yourself in violence, world will not hate you

Muslims should be unconcerned about the world.

The world is full of hypocrisy

Just like we should be unconcerned about Trumpland lecturing on things its own president would be bullish on

 

[Sardar Anees Abbasi]

And what happened to our tolerance?

You can live in the US without worrying about getting lynched on an accusation or prosecuted for your belief. This constitutes a civilized society.

In the case of Ahmadyis. We can't tolerate

 

[Kompromat]

US Govt has no right to run its mouth on our internal issues. No crackdown is taking place, the Ahmedi press was raided because it violated standing court orders.

 

[maximuswarrior]

US Govt has no right to run its mouth on our internal issues. No crackdown is taking place, the Ahmedi press was raided because it violated standing court orders.

The Americans have a habit of running their mouth loose. They demand from others to do more, but are are themselves responsible for fanning and sponsoring sectarianism, terrorism, ethnic and religious violence abroad. This is a country that has a track record in waging illegitimate wars against sovereign nations. They have destroyed Iraq and other Middle Eastern nations with sheer arrogance. ISIS, Taliban and AQ are all of their marvelous creations wreaking havoc around the world. They go around blaming others for their ills. From immigrants and minorities to other nations around the world. No one cares about American lectures.

I'm glad that this hypocrite Obama has been punished by the people. He has been utterly humiliated and disgraced by Trump's win. America is going to be further divided under Trump. Them chickens are coming home to roost.

 

[Well.wisher]

Don't involve yourself in religious bigotry, don't do suicide bombing, don't involve in sectarianism & extremism, don't involve yourself in violence, world will not hate you

Now you're generalising all such people as a religious extremist. I talked about normal peaceful folks who doesn't have any links to terrorism but yet get bashed from seculars like only because they have a specific islamic identity .
Religious or not , muslim or not .. All kind of people are involved in every kind of bigotry and extremism .
But what's surprising me is that , pakistani seculars like you are very liberal for tiny non muslims and show wholehearted Ness for these people and their literature but when it comes to your own muslim islamic brothers , be it maulana preaching to good , or talib ilm memorising quran , or person spreading good or explaining limitations , liberals like you act quite intolerant to them . You're intolerant toward preaching of true islam but yet happy over religious freedom given to other religious .

I'm not opposing other religious freedoms but seculars like you should also show respect to your own religion and should be liberal for your own religion too and stop generalising like West .

 

[Secret Service]

why they are not concerned about killing of kashmiris or shias or shunnis ???

 

[Trango Towers]

There is no systematic killing of blacks there.

Really ..... Ask the blacks that

No matter what you say to these people, they will believe that US is somehow kiöling part of its population for some

So when a white man's says the Brown man is bad then it's OK but God forbid a brown man says the whites are bad even the slaves rise

In the case of Ahmadyis. We can't tolerate

You should learn islam of our prophet pbuh. He was the most tolerant. Until then don't type rubbish

They have certainly altered the authentic interpretation and meaning of various verses. They differ from all branches of Islam including Sunni and Shia.

I'm fine with giving the Ahmadiyya community the opportunity to practice their non-Islamic faith. It needs to be constitutionally acknowledged, but we can't grant them the status of Islam. It is impossible.

Not saying they are Muslims. I just don't want every idiot jumping in the bandwagon of persecution

 

[Sardar Anees Abbasi]

Really ..... Ask the blacks that




You should learn islam of our prophet pbuh. He was the most tolerant. Until then don't type rubbish


Not saying they are Muslims. I just don't want every idiot jumping in the bandwagon of persecution

if we are generous like Holy Prophet SM, then there is no need of Islam, I know well about the teachings of Islam AlhmduLilah and know the rights of Non-Muslims but Ahmadyis apostasy Islam & there is punishment mention in Islam for the people who deserted Islam..

why they are not concerned about killing of kashmiris or shias or shunnis ???

Because they are not their assets.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Muslims should be unconcerned about the world.

We can't afford to live as 3rd world country Nor we are in position to dictate others. U.S.A want good relation with Pakistan since the creation of Pakistan. Now, ball is in our court. Either we kill bad taliban and support good taliban and continue hypocrisy or we need consistency in policy to demolish terrorism. Even Osama bin Ladin was found here. World has right to ask question and we should answer them by actions. This is in the interest of Pakistan. Even trump want good relation with us.

 

[Thorough Pro]

If US is concerned about them then take them in, who is stopping you from issuing visas to them.

The U.S. Government criticized Pakistan on Friday for raiding the International Headquarters of the Ahmadiyya Muslim minority in Chenab Nagar (Rabwah).

Speaking at a press briefing, U.S. State Department’s Deputy Spokesperson Mark Toner commented:

“We are obviously very concerned about these reports [that] the Punjab counter-terrorism police have raided the international headquarters of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community in Rabwah and arrested 4 individuals for publishing literature.”

Responding to a question about Pakistan’s attack on Ahmadi Muslims and other minorities earlier in the day, White House spokesman Eric Schultz said:

“Countries are stronger when they respect human rights, when they respect decency and values of their own people.”

Earlier this week, Pakistan’s counter-terrorism department raided the Vatican-like Islamic city of Rabwah which houses the International Headquarters of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community. The security forces brutally assaulted Ahmadi workers during the raid and arrested 4 of them on charges of blasphemy. They later charged another 5 under Pakistan’s infamous anti-Ahmadiyya laws.

U.S. State Department Spokesperson Toner also criticized Pakistan’s anti-Ahmadiyya laws:

“We have regularly noted our concerns about Pakistani laws that restrict peaceful religious expression, particularly by the Ahmadiyya community.”

Citing the State Department’s annual International Religious Freedom Report, Toner added:

“We believe such laws are inconsistent with Pakistan’s international obligations and we would urge the Government of Pakistan to protect religious freedom and basic rights of all members of its population, including religious minorities.”

Also on Friday, the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom – the bi-partisan government watchdog — also condemned the “brutal raid.”Chairman Rev. Thomas J. Reese, S.J. remarked:

“USCIRF condemns the brutal raid on the Ahmadiyya offices, the first such raid since Pakistan amended its constitution 42 years ago, declaring that Ahmadis are ‘non-Muslims.’ These actions flow out of Pakistan’s constitution and penal code, both of which impede religious freedom as they prevent Ahmadis from exercising their faith and even calling themselves Muslim. Pakistan’s anti-terrorism law should not be applied to the peaceful Ahmadiyya community simply because they are Ahmadis.”

In 1989 and again in 2008, Pakistani authorities charged residents of Rabwah, including women and children, for committing blasphemy by putting up public lighting displays to celebrate their Community’s centenary anniversary.

In 2012, Chenab Nagar police tortured to death a 43-year-old Ahmadi school teacher, and in 2014, a U.S. doctor, Mahdi Qamar, was shot 10 times at close range in the very same town.

Beliefs of the Ahmadiyya sect of Islam are considered heretical by mainstream Muslims and extremists have repeatedly attacked Ahmadi Muslims in Muslim majority countries, such as Pakistan and Indonesia.

In 1974, Pakistan became the first country to declare Ahmadis “non-Muslim” by a constitutional amendment.

In 1984, Pakistan made it a criminal act for Ahmadis to “pose as Muslims” or to act in an “Islamic way.” Under current laws, Ahmadis can be jailed for possessing Quran, the Muslim holy book. Pakistani authorities have convicted Ahmadis saying the Islamic greeting of “Salam” or for having Quranic inscriptions on their wedding cards.




https://www.rabwah.net/us-very-concerned-over-pakistans-crackdown-on-ahmadis/


http://www.newindianexpress.com/wor...er-ahmadiyya-hq-raid-in-pakistan-1547624.html






http://www.uscirf.gov/news-room/press-releases/pakistan-uscirf-condemns-egregious-treatment-ahmadis

 

[Pakistani E]

Look at the all raging terrorists on this thread, damn. These very same people have a seizure if someone mentions people from their sect anywhere else but actively persecute their own minorities in their own country.

As for the U.S, we all know how much they care about Ahmadis. They were cheering on Zia when they needed him all the while he actively hounded and persecuted the Ahmadiyya community and planned to arrest the Imam of Jamat e Ahmadiyya.

Uss waqt bolti band thee?

This world is full of hypocrites.

teachings of Islam AlhmduLilah and know the rights of Non-Muslims but Ahmadyis apostasy Islam

How can I be an apostate when I have never been in [insert your sect]?

US should open their borders for Ahmadyis. We don't need these shits in Pakistan

@Horus @WebMaster @Irfan Baloch @Jungibaaz @Aether

Is this the type of language now allowed on this forum?

 

[Haris Mansoor]

If the state does not care about the people then the people will also not care about the state. It will lead to division.
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Exactly, I agree with you. as Indian government (being so called secular state) banned cow slaughter because it hurts Hindus believers (I support it, Muslim shouldn't slaughter cows in India).
Similarly we, the Majority of Islamic Republic of Pakistan's population demands complete ban on Ahmedis as their faith is Blasphemous and completely Anti-Islam.
The state, Pakistani govt is not doing enough against ahmedis.
I don't have same view regarding Hindus and Christians, as they are completely different religion.

 

[Trango Towers]

if we are generous like Holy Prophet SM, then there is no need of Islam, I know well about the teachings of Islam AlhmduLilah and know the rights of Non-Muslims but Ahmadyis apostasy Islam & there is punishment mention in Islam for the people who deserted Islam..


Because they are not their assets.

How does a child born into a faith here ahmadiya (I dong agree with it)who has been taught nothing else but his parents beliefs desert? You are Muslim alhumdulillqh but when did you question your branch. Shia Sunni brelwi etc etc

When will we learn? Iqra doesn't mean just read. It means read think understand and question. That's why Allah time and again says in the quran ' this is religion for men of understanding'. Imagine if you kill them all without explaining Allah's deep to them. What will you say to Allah on the day of judgement when he asks you but this child didn't know islam and he followed his father. Why did you not teach him instead of kill him. What will you say to your lord