US, UK rubbished India’s ‘evidence’ against Pakistan in Mumbai attacks :: Wikileaks

[Dragon4]

Classified By: Anne W. Patterson for reasons 1.4 (b), (d). 1. (C)

Summary: On May 12, the Pakistani Anti-Terrorism Court (ATC) granted an extension for filing the final charge sheet until May 23. While the FIA and prosecutors have been able to use the repeated extensions to gather more evidence, time is running out, and the prosecution does not/not have enough evidence to convict the top Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) suspects, Lakhvi, Zarrar Shah, and al Qama. If the FIA does not receive the necessary third-country evidence from the GOI (or the FBI after GOI approval), these three suspects will likely be acquitted and released. Repeated USG interventions at several levels with the GOI have not yielded any certified evidence being passed to the GOP. If the top LeT terrorists are released, India will certainly accuse Pakistan of a lack of good faith in prosecuting and of directly sponsoring terrorism against India. Washington agencies and New Delhi may wish to review what further steps can be taken with the Indian government. End summary.

Cable: 09ISLAMABAD1024_a

Is there anything new in that? Is that a secret? Last time i checked this was the reason given for acquittal of Hafiz Saeed. Where does that say that US " rubbished" the evidences?
People have serious issues in comprehending simple english.

 

[guest11]

The actual quotes and sources appear to check out, assuming wikileaks.org is not a fake site:

Cable: 06NEWDELHI7360_a

Cable: 09ISLAMABAD1024_a


See my post above - the actual quotes and references to wikileak sourced documents in the OP appear to check out based on the wikileaks.org site.

From your second cable:

Based on meetings with Indian Deputy High Commissioner Vohra in Islamabad and information from Legat New Delhi, a possible high-level GOI lack of understanding of evidentiary requirements may be influencing the GOI response to GOP requests.

Comment: Pakistan's FIA has been diligent and competent in investigating and building a plausible case. Post believes it is committed to a successful prosecution, however, because of political pressure and an expedited time frame the FIA does not have a viable case against the top LeT leadership in its custody.





Could you please point out the part where it mentions that US and UK (no mention of UK whatsoever) "rubbished" the Indian evidence. Thanks.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

From your second cable:

Based on meetings with Indian Deputy High Commissioner Vohra in Islamabad and information from Legat New Delhi, a possible high-level GOI lack of understanding of evidentiary requirements may be influencing the GOI response to GOP requests.

Comment: Pakistan's FIA has been diligent and competent in investigating and building a plausible case. Post believes it is committed to a successful prosecution, however, because of political pressure and an expedited time frame the FIA does not have a viable case against the top LeT leadership in its custody.

Could you please point out the part where it mentions that US and UK (no mention of UK whatsoever) "rubbished" the Indian evidence. Thanks.

Fine, don't call it 'rubbished', call it 'insufficient evidence'.

The actual point being made is the same.

Is there anything new in that? Is that a secret? Last time i checked this was the reason given for acquittal of Hafiz Saeed. Where does that say that US " rubbished" the evidences?
People have serious issues in comprehending simple english.

Pointing out that India provided insufficient or incomplete evidence is just a more polite and diplomatic way of 'rubbishing the evidence' India provided.

 

[Super Falcon]

Wikileaks is creadible no one can deny

Pakistani source.

 

[xyxmt]

I am not claiming that.

that only means they rubish Indian proves of Pakistan's involvement

 

[guest11]

Fine, don't call it 'rubbished', call it 'insufficient evidence'.

The actual point being made is the same.

Not really. It mentions three things.

1. FIA was giving all it has to the investigation which was further proved by the former chief in his article.
2. FIA was under political pressure to expedite things.
3. Indian FO was majorly incompetent in its understanding of the actionable evidence.

 

[Bornubus]

that only means they rubish Indian proves of Pakistan's involvement

What about UN designated terrorists who have US bounty,is this the way they rubbish Indian Pressure ?

 

[Dragon4]

Fine, don't call it 'rubbished', call it 'insufficient evidence'.

The actual point being made is the same.


Pointing out that India provided insufficient or incomplete evidence is just a more polite and diplomatic way of 'rubbishing the evidence' India provided.

Proofs were insufficient just for you, like ALL proofs had been insufficient before and will be in future.
Anyways,
Indian dossier on Mumbai attacks 'totally credible': France : Latest Headlines, News - India Today
Same proofs were used for US courts for Headley and same were used by Indian courts for Kasab. I dont know what type of proofs do Pakistan courts require, well that is not the point of discussion of this thread.

 

[guest11]

@AgNoStiC MuSliM

This not I or any other Indian who wrote the following. It was the director of FIA Tariq Khosa

Pakistan has to deal with the Mumbai mayhem, planned and launched from its soil. This requires facing the truth and admitting mistakes. The entire state security apparatus must ensure that the perpetrators and masterminds of the ghastly terror attacks are brought to justice. The case has lingered on for far too long. Dilatory tactics by the defendants, frequent change of trial judges, and assassination of the case prosecutor as well as retracting from original testimony by some key witnesses have been serious setbacks for the prosecutors. However, cognizance was taken by the Islamabad High Court which directed the trial to be concluded within two months.

The following facts are pertinent.

First, Ajmal Kasab was a Pakistani national, whose place of residence and initial schooling as well as his joining a banned militant organisation was established by the investigators.

Second, the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) terrorists were imparted training near Thatta, Sindh and launched by sea from there. The training camp was identified and secured by the investigators. The casings of the explosive devices used in Mumbai were recovered from this training camp and duly matched.

Third, the fishing trawler used by the terrorists for hijacking an Indian trawler in which they sailed to Mumbai, was brought back to harbour, then painted and concealed. It was recovered by the investigators and connected to the accused.

Fourth, the engine of the dinghy abandoned by the terrorists near Mumbai harbour contained a patent number through which the investigators traced its import from Japan to Lahore and then to a Karachi sports shop from where an LeT-linked militant purchased it along with the dinghy. The money trail was followed and linked to the accused who was arrested.

Fifth, the ops room in Karachi, from where the operation was directed, was also identified and secured by the investigators. The communications through Voice over Internet Protocol were unearthed.

Sixth, the alleged commander and his deputies were identified and arrested.

Seventh, a couple of foreign-based financiers and facilitators were arrested and brought to face trial.

Mumbai attacks trial

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Bigger traitors of them all, The Guardian and the biggest one is Scotland Yard.

'Confession documents' of Tariq Mir alleging Indian funding of MQM are fake: London Police

The whole world seems to be conspiring against the Ummah.

 

[mike2000 is back]

What's all this about?

 

[guest11]

The whole world seems to be conspiring against the Ummah.

It has always been this way. People are just jealous of Pakistanis especially Brits, ever since Pakistan decided to leave UK in the dust in 1947 they are pissed.

What's all this about?

Nothing significant just following up on national religion, denial.

 

[911]

It has always been this way. People are just jealous of Pakistanis especially Brits, ever since Pakistan decided to leave UK in the dust in 1947 they are pissed.

I also heard about that. Is that the shale oil?

 

[guest11]

I also heard about that. Is that the shale oil?

Nope, 17 km long sone (gold) ka glacier.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Not really. It mentions three things

1. Indian FO was majorly incompetent in its understanding of the actionable evidence.

Which means that the GOI did not provide actionable or sufficient evidence, which is a polite/diplomatic way of 'rubbishing the evidence India provided'.