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China Freaks Out Over Supposed U-2 Spy Plane Flight Over Its Naval Exercise
China says the U-2 dangerously interfered with its naval drills. Meanwhile, it seems Beijing may execute a major anti-ship ballistic missile test.
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China is making a big deal out of a supposed overflight by a U.S. Air Force U-2 spy plane of one of its currently underway People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) exercises. It isn't clear where exactly the incident is claimed to have taken place as China has four major naval wargames underway in the South China Sea, Yellow Sea, East China Sea, of Sea of Bohai right now. The northeastern reaches of the South China Sea, in particular, has experienced a massive uptick in military activity in recent weeks, with Chinese forces and U.S. forces flooding the area with military capabilities. The U.S. has placed a near-constant stream of surveillance aircraft over the area and Taiwan has raised its alert status due to the activity level of PLAN assets. The latest Chinese drills in that region are slated to run from the 24th to the 29th, but in the case of the supposed U-2 mission in question, the Yellow Sea exercises seem most likely where the high flying spy aircraft crashed the PLAN's party.

U-2s sortie out of Osan Air Base in South Korea, making the trip west to the Yellow Sea local in nature. China also says the incident occurred in an area that was under its Northern Theater Command's responsibility, pointing to exercises in this area. The U.S. still hasn't confirmed the mission took place or responded on any level to China's accusations.


According to Reuters, China says its Defense Ministry has lodged 'stern representations" with the U.S. government over the U-2 “seriously interfering in normal exercise activities" that could have resulted in an "unexpected incident." They added that the flight was "an act of provocation, and China is resolutely opposed to it... China demands the U.S. side immediately stop this kind of provocative behavior and take actual steps to safeguard peace and stability in the region.”

While China can issue a notice to airmen (NOTAM) warning of live-fire drills, the vast majority of the exercise would have taken place in international waters. So, the U-2 may have waltzed into or near China's air defense identification zone, and the airspace it 'closed' for the exercise, but that doesn't mean it broke any territorial boundaries.

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Still, doing so is undoubtedly a bold move. If China was executing live-fire drills, placing an aircraft in that area ups the risk of a mistake being made. Still, they could see the U-2 coming from far away and the aircraft has one of the world's most capable electronic warfare self-protection suites. The potential payoffs of pushing one of these spy planes directly over or near a Chinese live-fire naval exercise are also quite high. The aircraft could suck up all of the PLAN's radar, data-links, and other communications signatures, as well as eavesdrop on its voice communications and monitor its operational procedures. Just how the PLAN would respond to the U-2 being there and what sensors would track it could dramatically increase the fidelity of this intelligence value, as well. In other words, it would both stimulate and surveil the PLAN's integrated air defense capabilities.

It's also worth noting that China has no fighter aircraft capable of physically intercepting a U-2 and harassing it. That doesn't mean they don't have the capability to shoot one down though, but an incident like the one that occurred off of Hainan Island in 2001, which involved a much lower-flying U.S. Navy EP-3E Aries II spy plane, wouldn't be a factor when employing a U-2.

As it sits now, China looks set to potentially execute a major test of its anti-ship ballistic missile capabilities in the coming hours and days. This would be a relatively large development as these anti-access/area-denial long-range weapons are among the most mysterious yet feared capabilities in China's arsenal, ones aimed squarely at U.S. carrier strike groups that frequent the region. The People's Liberation Army reportedly conducted a similar ballistic missile exercise last year, which also involved firing the weapons into the South China Sea from areas deep within the mainland.


It will be interesting to see if China responds to this overflight militarily. The Chinese military has its own stable of high-altitude, long-endurance aircraft, unmanned ones, that it could send over U.S. carrier strike groups, but doing so could give away certain vulnerabilities in their sensors and data-links. Still, that would be the closest thing China has to a direct response at this time.

Regardless of what comes next as part of China's big summer rush of naval exercises, if this mission did indeed take place, it would be clear that the U.S. military is upping the invasiveness of its surveillance flights near PLAN operations and also heightening the risk it is willing to take on in the process. It serves as yet another sign of the growing unease between the two superpowers.


Seems like the great Chinese are scared of everything, they can't even invade a small island like Taiwan, LOL.
 
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China Freaks Out Over Supposed U-2 Spy Plane Flight Over Its Naval Exercise
China says the U-2 dangerously interfered with its naval drills. Meanwhile, it seems Beijing may execute a major anti-ship ballistic missile test.
View attachment 664117

China is making a big deal out of a supposed overflight by a U.S. Air Force U-2 spy plane of one of its currently underway People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) exercises. It isn't clear where exactly the incident is claimed to have taken place as China has four major naval wargames underway in the South China Sea, Yellow Sea, East China Sea, of Sea of Bohai right now. The northeastern reaches of the South China Sea, in particular, has experienced a massive uptick in military activity in recent weeks, with Chinese forces and U.S. forces flooding the area with military capabilities. The U.S. has placed a near-constant stream of surveillance aircraft over the area and Taiwan has raised its alert status due to the activity level of PLAN assets. The latest Chinese drills in that region are slated to run from the 24th to the 29th, but in the case of the supposed U-2 mission in question, the Yellow Sea exercises seem most likely where the high flying spy aircraft crashed the PLAN's party.

U-2s sortie out of Osan Air Base in South Korea, making the trip west to the Yellow Sea local in nature. China also says the incident occurred in an area that was under its Northern Theater Command's responsibility, pointing to exercises in this area. The U.S. still hasn't confirmed the mission took place or responded on any level to China's accusations.


According to Reuters, China says its Defense Ministry has lodged 'stern representations" with the U.S. government over the U-2 “seriously interfering in normal exercise activities" that could have resulted in an "unexpected incident." They added that the flight was "an act of provocation, and China is resolutely opposed to it... China demands the U.S. side immediately stop this kind of provocative behavior and take actual steps to safeguard peace and stability in the region.”

While China can issue a notice to airmen (NOTAM) warning of live-fire drills, the vast majority of the exercise would have taken place in international waters. So, the U-2 may have waltzed into or near China's air defense identification zone, and the airspace it 'closed' for the exercise, but that doesn't mean it broke any territorial boundaries.

View attachment 664118


Still, doing so is undoubtedly a bold move. If China was executing live-fire drills, placing an aircraft in that area ups the risk of a mistake being made. Still, they could see the U-2 coming from far away and the aircraft has one of the world's most capable electronic warfare self-protection suites. The potential payoffs of pushing one of these spy planes directly over or near a Chinese live-fire naval exercise are also quite high. The aircraft could suck up all of the PLAN's radar, data-links, and other communications signatures, as well as eavesdrop on its voice communications and monitor its operational procedures. Just how the PLAN would respond to the U-2 being there and what sensors would track it could dramatically increase the fidelity of this intelligence value, as well. In other words, it would both stimulate and surveil the PLAN's integrated air defense capabilities.

It's also worth noting that China has no fighter aircraft capable of physically intercepting a U-2 and harassing it. That doesn't mean they don't have the capability to shoot one down though, but an incident like the one that occurred off of Hainan Island in 2001, which involved a much lower-flying U.S. Navy EP-3E Aries II spy plane, wouldn't be a factor when employing a U-2.

As it sits now, China looks set to potentially execute a major test of its anti-ship ballistic missile capabilities in the coming hours and days. This would be a relatively large development as these anti-access/area-denial long-range weapons are among the most mysterious yet feared capabilities in China's arsenal, ones aimed squarely at U.S. carrier strike groups that frequent the region. The People's Liberation Army reportedly conducted a similar ballistic missile exercise last year, which also involved firing the weapons into the South China Sea from areas deep within the mainland.


It will be interesting to see if China responds to this overflight militarily. The Chinese military has its own stable of high-altitude, long-endurance aircraft, unmanned ones, that it could send over U.S. carrier strike groups, but doing so could give away certain vulnerabilities in their sensors and data-links. Still, that would be the closest thing China has to a direct response at this time.

Regardless of what comes next as part of China's big summer rush of naval exercises, if this mission did indeed take place, it would be clear that the U.S. military is upping the invasiveness of its surveillance flights near PLAN operations and also heightening the risk it is willing to take on in the process. It serves as yet another sign of the growing unease between the two superpowers.


Freak out! Freak out! Really ? So this article is a lot of hog wash, more like China saying Dude stop trying to use 60s tech against us the us pilots have families. Us pilots are not like Indian soldiers that no one cares about. Come on dude someone will get hurt, professional soldiers don’t kill people but the world is full of amateurs

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If they can use U-2 then why they are not using SR-71, its much better and faster
 
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any way aren't drones better at surveillance than manned aircrafts? with a drone you can be as bold as you want in gathering information because you won't lose a pilot even if it's shoot down, perhaps that is why they used the U-2 because they know China will not escalate and kill a pilot over exercises.
 
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That stupid Trump didn't event know England is also a nuclear country so I won't be surprise if he thought China has no nuclear weapon. :laughcry:
 
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WTF? The election is only 68 days away...how's that supposed to work????
Trump at the RNC said getting out of endless foreign wars was one of his major achievements. Wouldn't entering a war with a country like China literally be the complete polar opposite of his party platform? Fanboys here need to be realistic lol. Neither side wants or can really afford a war, especially one that has a high possibility of going nuclear.
 
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The US is a master of proxy wars. The dream for the US government would be for India to fight China and get absolutely slaughtered so that way India goes 100% into the US sphere of influence and allows US bases on Indian territory (which would be unthinkable unless India is defeated in battle). The US would not really help India much besides some intel sharing because the greater the Indian defeat, the more leverage the US has with India.

This is US and white supremacist dream, for India and China to kill each other while they watch like vulture. Kill two birds with one stone. More spaces for the west to continue to dominate and keep the global south poor and endless low cost labor and cheap resource for western capital to make more profit.
 
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If they can use U-2 then why they are not using SR-71, its much better and faster
The common denominator between the TR-1 and the SR-71 is the 70,000+ altitude. The difference between the two jets is the speed. Despite advances in SAM technology, in most recon situations, altitude and duration is better than altitude and speed.

So why did we developed and operated the SR-71 and the U-2 at the same time?

Because back then, recon info was on camera film, at least most of it, and the faster we get those films developed, the better and sooner National Command Authority can make decisions. Recon aircrafts offers flexibility that recon satellites do not and that list is long enough to warrant its own discussion. Suffice to say that an all encompassing recon capability should have satellite recon for long duration and aircrafts for tactically unexpected situations.

Today, with advances in wireless communication, the TR-1 (variant of the U-2) have the same tactical flexibility of the SR-17, without the operating cost, and can deliver recon intelligence in real time while still have that high altitude protection. Plus, the TR-1's design made it a long duration platform.
 
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any way aren't drones better at surveillance than manned aircrafts?
Easier said than done.

The U-2/TR-1 platform was designed with as much cargo flexibility as the airframe itself allows. That means in order to have the same overall capabilities, might as well develop an unmanned version of the U-2, which will take yrs. The laymen thinks that recon equipment are like computer peripherals -- plug and play.

When the original U-2 platform was just on paper, the reconnaissance hardware was already under development, meaning further along than the aircraft itself, so Lockheed and partners had to work together to incorporate those recon hardware to fit the U-2. That means -- to this day -- those recon hardware are pretty much custom designed for the U-2/TR-1 and cannot 'plug-and-play' into something like the Global Hawk drone, for example. We are working towards that flexibility.

UAV by itself is not technically superior to the manned aircraft. Yes, the pilot is valuable, but an on-scene pilot, not the remote pilot, will always have superior situational awareness and can make decisions for the mission that the remote pilot cannot.
 
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The good ol’ “Cold War” paradigm is being put into the place! Last time, it tremendously helped the USA for countries like Turkey and Pak were on her side. Now, the US establishment shouldn’t experiment otherwise. They must have already stated seeing some adverse results. The most glaring one is that vis-a-vis India - after losing only 20 soldiers to the “Stone Age” techniques they have given up....
 
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Trump at the RNC said getting out of endless foreign wars was one of his major achievements. Wouldn't entering a war with a country like China literally be the complete polar opposite of his party platform? Fanboys here need to be realistic lol. Neither side wants or can really afford a war, especially one that has a high possibility of going nuclear.
The US election is being fought to maximize the “White” votes on the pretext of “Law & Order”, taxes, immigrants, trade with China etc...
 
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